U.S. Embassy Did Not Authorize Live Ammo For Marines In Egypt.

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REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines

Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammoBY:
September 13, 2012 4:40 pm

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”

Time magazine’s Battleland blog reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming.”

If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S. interests, Nightwatch states.

“She did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office,” the report states. “She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

While Marines are typically relied on to defend U.S. territory abroad, such as embassies, these reports indicate that the Obama administration was relying on Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood-backed government to ensure American security, a move observers are questioning as violence in Cairo continues to rage.

Marc Toner, the State Department’s deputy spokesperson, did not respond to a request for comment from the Free Beacon. White House National Security Council spokesperson Tommy Vietor also did not respond to a request for comment.

The U.S. ambassador to any nation ultimately decides whether Marines are authorized to carry ammunition, according to a GOP national security adviser knowledgeable about American embassy protocols.

“In the end, the ambassador of any country has the final call on what to do in a country,” the source said. “The buck stops with you. You make every decision.”

Security procedures are subjective and subject to change depending on locale, the source said.

Each ambassador, in consultation with their Regional Security Officer (RSO), sets the policy regarding the rules of engagement, according to the adviser. The RSO is responsible for coordinating all security measures and reports directly to the ambassador in any given nation.

“A decision or order to set rules of engagement that you can’t carry live ammunition and can’t engage violent crowds climbing over your walls and tearing down your flag stems from direct orders from the Chief of Mission and possibly whoever the Chief of Mission reports to,” the source explained.

Given that the siege of the Cairo embassy unfolded over many hours, the source wondered if new orders pertaining to the rules of engagement were ever issued.

Ambassador Patterson was in Washington D.C. during the attacks, according to reports.

“I cannot believe that over an eight hour period that nobody … in that chain of command did not ask those questions of their superiors,” the source said. “These protestors did not just appear and within 20 minutes climb the wall.”

A Marine spokesperson at the Pentagon denied the Free Beacon’s report in a statement to Fox News.

Pentagon Lt. Col. Chris Hughes told the outlet: “The ambassador and RSO (Regional Security Officer) have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB (American Embassy) Cairo.”

Several sources familiar with foreign embassies in international hotspots who contacted the Free Beacon said that the U.S. government often adheres to a policy of not permitting security officers and other personnel to carry loaded weapons.

Others indicated that in some instances, embassy personnel were prohibited from carrying weapons on embassy grounds altogether.

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  • ed 2012/09/13 23:54:24
    Wouldn't Want To Harm Any Of Obama's Muslim Brothers, Now Would We?
    It 's a wonder no Marines were killed.After this every military person protecting any Embassy should be given ammo .

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  • Mike 2012/09/14 15:40:41
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    well if that was true then that is the most idiotic thing a person can do. plus I want to k now who gave that direct order. there is always someone to blame , and it moght not be the president but someone who had ill intentions or just block headed enough to cripple the marines for that moment. evil is hiding
  • Dagon 2012/09/14 00:40:53
  • American Girl 2012/09/14 00:02:36
    Obama's Foreign Policy Is In Shambles.
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    Obama doesn't have a foreign policy. He makes things up as situations arise.
  • ed 2012/09/13 23:54:24
    Wouldn't Want To Harm Any Of Obama's Muslim Brothers, Now Would We?
    It 's a wonder no Marines were killed.After this every military person protecting any Embassy should be given ammo .
  • marty 2012/09/13 23:23:12
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    It's not as simple as shooting back and if your attackers aren't using munitions, then killing someone is a bit extreme. 1)This is an embassy and not a fort, therefore these people, even the crazed deranged religious fanatics, are considered allies and hence, not shot onsite. 2)This is a trust issue between the embassy-country (US) and our host (Egypt). Letting THEM handled THEIR unruly populace shows that WE trust THEM to look after our interests. 3)Embassy security protocol is more complicated than state side government buildings. A trespasser at an American stateside government building is thrown out, have captured/arrested, or shot. Not so much with embassies. You're in a foreign nation, they're allies, you're a guest, and you don't want to piss off the populace more... Also, a suicide bomber, gun/explosive-totin' thug garners KOS responses from our security as well as allies, but angry (unarmed or well-concealed?) mobs aren't as likely to get the death-switch okay. It seems like I read that the embassy in Libya was defended by Libyan security forces and not USMC.
  • Dagon marty 2012/09/14 00:43:34 (edited)
  • marty Dagon 2012/09/14 00:53:30
    Good point.
  • zbacku marty 2012/09/14 00:47:09
    No, killing anyone that is attacking you is NOT extreme. If you have hundreds of animals trying to attack your position, you shoot to kill.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/09/13 23:13:56
    Wouldn't Want To Harm Any Of Obama's Muslim Brothers, Now Would We?
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    The terrorists knew this, that is why they invaded our territory.
  • Justagirl 2012/09/13 23:13:44
    Obama's Foreign Policy Is In Shambles.
    What was that Nobel Peace Prize for?
  • Dagon Justagirl 2012/09/14 00:44:32
  • Justagirl Dagon 2012/09/14 01:08:41
    Handed out like Little League participation trophies these days.
  • All American 2012/09/13 23:11:38 (edited)
    Wouldn't Want To Harm Any Of Obama's Muslim Brothers, Now Would We?
    All American
    Sending marines in harms way without any way to protect themselves is high treason and an impeachable offense in my book. The gullibility and naivete' of Obama and the liberal establishment is dumbfounding. He could have overruled the ambassador. Obama must go.
  • TuringsChild 2012/09/13 23:05:16
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    No Live Ammo makes sense in London and Toronto. In trouble spots like the Middle East it's downright moronic.
  • Htcbm1 2012/09/13 23:01:24
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    Not to be armed at such an overseas duty assignment location is downright stupid!
  • Diana 2012/09/13 22:58:44
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    How are they supposed to defend the embassy?By slapping the intruders?
  • kevracer 2012/09/13 22:57:28
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    "If true......."

    I find that 'blogs' are seldom 100% accurate
  • Tee Quake 2012/09/13 22:54:52
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    Crazy Obama world order. Muslims are invited all others disappear. Apparently Obama's Muslim training is finally being expressed in one of the first instances I have seen where the President is at least being honest.

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