A roadside bomb killed four U.S. soldiers in Baghdad on Sunday, the military said, pushing the overall American death toll in the five-year war to at least 4,000.
I see no way a time will come when U.S. military and civilians will be able to walk down or drive down any street without guards or armor. Without that happening there is no win by us. There is no win for the Iraqis until the same things can be said along with the ability of all the Iraqis who have left the country being able to return to Iraq and live regular lifes.
Thgis can happen when the Iraqi government gets some balls and takes the position of leadership in that nation..untill then..it will remain unstable. And if we suddely pull out..WW3 starts.
Does not sound good does it. According to some reports we are training the various militias in Iraq and with the other countries in the area supporting various factions in Iraq it is hard to believe we haven't gotten into a situation where it is impossible for a big area wide conflict to come about no matter how or when the USA leaves--unless other countries move in and take over the spot we leave. And, that is not going to happen. So, the question is will we go broke first or leave and start an area wide war first that will bring us into harm's way? A no-win situation anyway I look at it.
Germany and Japan: We, along with our allies did win that war. Then we went in and rebuilt those countries who are now allies. The end result was a win for the world.
I would really like to see us succeed with our mission in Iraq, but that mission seems to change daily and I don't think anyone knows how to complete the mission successfully and bring our troups home. I am very proud and gratefull for what our troups have done and are still doing and my prayers and thanks go out to them and their families.
How is the mission "changing daily"? This was going to be a long and difficult war going in, and we have kept the war contained... they have not attacked US soil since 9-11 have they?
The Claims of WMD's is false according to the CIA reports
The Claims of ties to Al-Qaeda is false according to the Pentagon
What is the mission now?
We are not rebuilding Iraq's Refineries, which would help restore autonomy to the people of Iraq, we are not "doing" anything except occupying Iraq at this point.
My thoughts go to more sinister aspects of the facts, and I will not bother posting them here, unless solicited...
I am soliciting! And what about the oil that was supposed to pay for the war as they said in the beginning? It seems we are just spending and spending.
In the Fall of 2000 Iraq dropped the Dollar as a reserve currency, and got UN approval to sell oil for Euros, we crippled the Iraqi's ability to pump and refine oil, and we are promising to not leave until they have a stable government. Ask yourself why would there need to be a final stage government before we leave, we left Pakistan before they returned to Democracy, we left Iraq the first time with the dictator still in power, what is different? We were threatening Iran ever since they decided to start talking about doing the same thing, why do you think Venezuela has been getting support from Russia at the same time?
Thanks for sharing. I totally agree. Lots of idiocy out there among those making decisions--we have been our own worst enemy. On this course we will defeat ourselves by going broke.
We have been our own worst enemy in that we have become complacent, but there are forces outside our control pulling at the strings, we need to seek the man behind the curtain, and destroy his grip over us...
We are reconstructing the infrastructure of Iraq, training and equipping their military and police forces, opening and rebuilding schools and universities, providing electricity and water to communities that in some cases have not had it for over 35 years, if ever. We are doing a lot, and the mission has always been to do that... to oust Saddam's regime, restore safety and security to the region, and we are doing that... is that easy, no. Are we done? Not yet. Have some faith in your soldiers, sailors and Marines.
This has nothing to do with faith in the foot soldiers of the American Military, my faith in them is absolute, it is my faith in the leadership of this country, they refuse to listen to the people, and just so we are clear, the people are the employers of the government...
Really go to the Iraq "green zone" and do what McCain is claiming, walk around without armed guards, that has been pointed out was a bold faced LIE by our soliders...
The fact is that this nation needs the resources of the nation, and there is no reason that we should be rebuilding Iraq in the first place...
The PENTAGON report could not link Saddam and Al-Qaeda
So Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11
The CIA report (Duelfer) claimed that the WMD's that hinged our involvement, the "smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" was not only a false notion but based off of unproven intelligence...
The thought that we should "save the world" from tyrants is not only comical in the fact of what our own government has done at home, but in the trend of the leaders we insert during regime changes...
I think many people that support our involvement in Iraq need to take a look at the last 70 years of American Foreign Policy, and the words of the founders of the country to see the intent of the great minds that created this nation...
Saddam was an evil tyrant, but killing him wasn't the reason given for going into Iraq.
The fundamental reason for the invasion was that Iraq possessed and was actively developing WMD's and posed an imminent, urgent, and immediate threat to the United States, its people, allies, and interests. That rationale was widely criticized and, as everyone knows, no WMD's were ever found. There was no connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda or the attacks of September 11th.
An aircraft carrier in the Pacific, about an hour from San Diego, California. You could row that far. A couple of jets on deck as props, lots of giddy sailors. Here comes an airplane! It lands in the accustomed manner. Out springs the Boy Prince, the Dauphin of D.C., the VIP of the GOP, George W. Bush in full military flight suit, with his ejector harness giving him the worst moose knuckle in presidential history. A bit of video for the election commercials just in case the Democrats don't all curl up and die on their own, what's the harm in that? I wish it was that simple. But what we really saw in that moment was a coup d'etat. The president isn't supposed to wear a uniform. He's a civilian. Rough Rider Teddy Roosevelt strapped on a pistol now and then and we've had generals who made president before. That Kennedy fellow was a war hero, too, and Bush Senior, the one who got elected, did his bit in the Pacific while Grampy Prescott was supporting the Nazis in Europe. But when they were president none of these men put on military uniforms. They understood that there are three sacred lines with regard to American democracy that can never be crossed: the line between privilege and power, the line betwe...
I agree with you but your picture is too pretty:
This shows a fascist.
An aircraft carrier in the Pacific, about an hour from San Diego, California. You could row that far. A couple of jets on deck as props, lots of giddy sailors. Here comes an airplane! It lands in the accustomed manner. Out springs the Boy Prince, the Dauphin of D.C., the VIP of the GOP, George W. Bush in full military flight suit, with his ejector harness giving him the worst moose knuckle in presidential history. A bit of video for the election commercials just in case the Democrats don't all curl up and die on their own, what's the harm in that? I wish it was that simple. But what we really saw in that moment was a coup d'etat. The president isn't supposed to wear a uniform. He's a civilian. Rough Rider Teddy Roosevelt strapped on a pistol now and then and we've had generals who made president before. That Kennedy fellow was a war hero, too, and Bush Senior, the one who got elected, did his bit in the Pacific while Grampy Prescott was supporting the Nazis in Europe. But when they were president none of these men put on military uniforms. They understood that there are three sacred lines with regard to American democracy that can never be crossed: the line between privilege and power, the line between Church and State, and the line between civilian and military leadership. Cross any of them, and you're at fascism's doorstep. Cross two, you're on the threshold with your hand on the doorknob.
More main stream media propaganda! Bush gave the "Mission Accomplished" speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln. The banner in your photo was reference to the fact that the mission of the USS Abraham Lincoln was accomplished, not that the the war mission was accomplished.
Please read for yourself, don't use the MSM or socialist blog sites as your definitive source.
I do read for myself. Actually, I watched him do his little monkey dance live on television. I don't know of any socialist blogs, and I get my news from a variety of sources.
I think that the number of deaths in Iraq is amazingly low. For instance in our own Civil War, many battles had 30 to 35,000 deaths in one da! What they don't tell you is that not all deaths in Iraq are caused by battle. Some are due to accidents. As far as succeeding in Iraq...this is not a typical war where you have two or more countries with standing armies fighting each other. There is no one commander who would accept an offer of peace.
It really depends upon the Iraqi people to stand together as one and fight the terrorists. They would have to have their own armed forces and a clear cut governmnet that has the interest of the people at heart. I don't see that happening any time soon. The Iraqi people are still very much tribal-minded with each having their own clans with their own clan leaders. The conceptof a strong central government, in their mind, is what Sadam Hussein had. That was not a good experience for them and I believe they are not very keen at the idea of a strong central government. When they had the opportunity to vote, almost 80 percent of them showed up. The Iraqis have had time to form their government but there is just too much in -fighting. They can't seem to agree on anything. To top it all off, the Shite and Sunni leaders hate each other and want n...
I think that the number of deaths in Iraq is amazingly low. For instance in our own Civil War, many battles had 30 to 35,000 deaths in one da! What they don't tell you is that not all deaths in Iraq are caused by battle. Some are due to accidents. As far as succeeding in Iraq...this is not a typical war where you have two or more countries with standing armies fighting each other. There is no one commander who would accept an offer of peace.
It really depends upon the Iraqi people to stand together as one and fight the terrorists. They would have to have their own armed forces and a clear cut governmnet that has the interest of the people at heart. I don't see that happening any time soon. The Iraqi people are still very much tribal-minded with each having their own clans with their own clan leaders. The conceptof a strong central government, in their mind, is what Sadam Hussein had. That was not a good experience for them and I believe they are not very keen at the idea of a strong central government. When they had the opportunity to vote, almost 80 percent of them showed up. The Iraqis have had time to form their government but there is just too much in -fighting. They can't seem to agree on anything. To top it all off, the Shite and Sunni leaders hate each other and want nothing to do with a representative government because one group is larger than the other and the smaller group is doing what they can to undermine the American plan to democratize Iraq. I believe as soon as we leave their country, it will turn into chaos, the fundamentalists will take over and we'll have the same mess to deal with all over again in a few years. What you have to remember is that those who are fighting in Iraq volunteerd to go there. It isn't like it was in Viet Nam where people were drafted into the army and had no choice.
Tell me what was the U.S. Death toll in WWII? It was 416,837.
4,000 is a hell of a lot less than 416,837. When the U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 416,837 then you people can start bitching to bring the troops home.
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George Bush said that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11, Iraq has not "attacked us" on our soil... EVER!!!!
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The Claims of WMD's is false according to the CIA reports
The Claims of ties to Al-Qaeda is false according to the Pentagon
What is the mission now?
We are not rebuilding Iraq's Refineries, which would help restore autonomy to the people of Iraq, we are not "doing" anything except occupying Iraq at this point.
My thoughts go to more sinister aspects of the facts, and I will not bother posting them here, unless solicited...
This has nothing to do with faith in the foot soldiers of the American Military, my faith in them is absolute, it is my faith in the leadership of this country, they refuse to listen to the people, and just so we are clear, the people are the employers of the government...
Really go to the Iraq "green zone" and do what McCain is claiming, walk around without armed guards, that has been pointed out was a bold faced LIE by our soliders...
The fact is that this nation needs the resources of the nation, and there is no reason that we should be rebuilding Iraq in the first place...
The PENTAGON report could not link Saddam and Al-Qaeda
So Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11
The CIA report (Duelfer) claimed that the WMD's that hinged our involvement, the "smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" was not only a false notion but based off of unproven intelligence...
The thought that we should "save the world" from tyrants is not only comical in the fact of what our own government has done at home, but in the trend of the leaders we insert during regime changes...
I think many people that support our involvement in Iraq need to take a look at the last 70 years of American Foreign Policy, and the words of the founders of the country to see the intent of the great minds that created this nation...
there is a part three...but i think they get the picture now...i hope....
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Bush proclaimed "Mission Accomplished in 2003, and yet we are still there....
The fundamental reason for the invasion was that Iraq possessed and was actively developing WMD's and posed an imminent, urgent, and immediate threat to the United States, its people, allies, and interests. That rationale was widely criticized and, as everyone knows, no WMD's were ever found. There was no connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda or the attacks of September 11th.
This shows a fascist.
An aircraft carrier in the Pacific, about an hour from San Diego, California. You could row that far. A couple of jets on deck as props, lots of giddy sailors. Here comes an airplane! It lands in the accustomed manner. Out springs the Boy Prince, the Dauphin of D.C., the VIP of the GOP, George W. Bush in full military flight suit, with his ejector harness giving him the worst moose knuckle in presidential history. A bit of video for the election commercials just in case the Democrats don't all curl up and die on their own, what's the harm in that? I wish it was that simple. But what we really saw in that moment was a coup d'etat. The president isn't supposed to wear a uniform. He's a civilian. Rough Rider Teddy Roosevelt strapped on a pistol now and then and we've had generals who made president before. That Kennedy fellow was a war hero, too, and Bush Senior, the one who got elected, did his bit in the Pacific while Grampy Prescott was supporting the Nazis in Europe. But when they were president none of these men put on military uniforms. They understood that there are three sacred lines with regard to American democracy that can never be crossed: the line between privilege and power, the line betwe...
This shows a fascist.
An aircraft carrier in the Pacific, about an hour from San Diego, California. You could row that far. A couple of jets on deck as props, lots of giddy sailors. Here comes an airplane! It lands in the accustomed manner. Out springs the Boy Prince, the Dauphin of D.C., the VIP of the GOP, George W. Bush in full military flight suit, with his ejector harness giving him the worst moose knuckle in presidential history. A bit of video for the election commercials just in case the Democrats don't all curl up and die on their own, what's the harm in that? I wish it was that simple. But what we really saw in that moment was a coup d'etat. The president isn't supposed to wear a uniform. He's a civilian. Rough Rider Teddy Roosevelt strapped on a pistol now and then and we've had generals who made president before. That Kennedy fellow was a war hero, too, and Bush Senior, the one who got elected, did his bit in the Pacific while Grampy Prescott was supporting the Nazis in Europe. But when they were president none of these men put on military uniforms. They understood that there are three sacred lines with regard to American democracy that can never be crossed: the line between privilege and power, the line between Church and State, and the line between civilian and military leadership. Cross any of them, and you're at fascism's doorstep. Cross two, you're on the threshold with your hand on the doorknob.
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Please read for yourself, don't use the MSM or socialist blog sites as your definitive source.
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It really depends upon the Iraqi people to stand together as one and fight the terrorists. They would have to have their own armed forces and a clear cut governmnet that has the interest of the people at heart. I don't see that happening any time soon. The Iraqi people are still very much tribal-minded with each having their own clans with their own clan leaders. The conceptof a strong central government, in their mind, is what Sadam Hussein had. That was not a good experience for them and I believe they are not very keen at the idea of a strong central government. When they had the opportunity to vote, almost 80 percent of them showed up. The Iraqis have had time to form their government but there is just too much in -fighting. They can't seem to agree on anything. To top it all off, the Shite and Sunni leaders hate each other and want n...
It really depends upon the Iraqi people to stand together as one and fight the terrorists. They would have to have their own armed forces and a clear cut governmnet that has the interest of the people at heart. I don't see that happening any time soon. The Iraqi people are still very much tribal-minded with each having their own clans with their own clan leaders. The conceptof a strong central government, in their mind, is what Sadam Hussein had. That was not a good experience for them and I believe they are not very keen at the idea of a strong central government. When they had the opportunity to vote, almost 80 percent of them showed up. The Iraqis have had time to form their government but there is just too much in -fighting. They can't seem to agree on anything. To top it all off, the Shite and Sunni leaders hate each other and want nothing to do with a representative government because one group is larger than the other and the smaller group is doing what they can to undermine the American plan to democratize Iraq. I believe as soon as we leave their country, it will turn into chaos, the fundamentalists will take over and we'll have the same mess to deal with all over again in a few years. What you have to remember is that those who are fighting in Iraq volunteerd to go there. It isn't like it was in Viet Nam where people were drafted into the army and had no choice.
Tell me what was the U.S. Death toll in WWII? It was 416,837.
4,000 is a hell of a lot less than 416,837. When the U.S. death toll in Iraq reaches 416,837 then you people can start bitching to bring the troops home.