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U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack: Should America Have Gotten Involved in Libya?

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Chris Stevens, who was the U.S. ambassador to Libya and an envoy during the revolution in the country, was killed, along with three others, in a rocket attack outside the American Consulate in Benghazi. U.S. officials have told The New York Times and CNN that the attack may have been planned by a group that "had either been waiting for an opportunity to exploit like the protests over the video or perhaps even generated the protests as a cover for their attack."

In a statement Wednesday morning condemning the attack, President Barack Obama referred to Stevens as "a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States." Stevens, 52, was the first U.S. ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979.

NEWS.YAHOO.COM reports:
Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya killed along with three others in a rocket attack outside the American Consulate in Benghazi was "a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States," President Barack Obama said in his initial statement Wednesday condemning the attack.
obama initial statement wednesday condemning attack initial reports slain embassy

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  • Heisenberg 2012/09/12 18:23:45 (edited)
    No
    Heisenberg
    +37
    I think some people forgot we already went to war in Libya when Obama violated the war powers act and sent the Navy to install the Muslim Brotherhood and kill Qadafi without congressional approval.

    obama navy libya

    How is Obama's bow-and-scrape foreign policy working out for us?

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  • Ian ☆astac☆ 2012/09/17 15:59:50
    Ian
    I'm no fan of Obama, but I would say Gadhaffi was definitely NOT pro-western, and while Mubarak was pro-western, he also was an evil dictator.

    That said, I am also very concerned for the turn of events of radical extremist Muslims taking advantage of the situation.

    I, too, am a citizen of a fake Muslim democracy, but most of us minority Christians are very much in favour of changing the government into a true democracy.
  • ☆astac☆ Ian 2012/09/18 02:44:59
    ☆astac☆
    Gadhaffi came to the west with his hands up and open after Bush attacked Iraq, Ghadaffi was making honest efforts in joining the world community. He was not a threat, he was neutralized

    True Democracies are not good, you want a Constitutional Republic or something similar
  • Ian ☆astac☆ 2012/09/20 02:26:39
    Ian
    +1
    Sorry, I was sloppily using the word "Democracy" in the colloquial sense of having elected representatives who actually really represent the people, division of powers, etc. constitutional republic or democratic constitutional monarchy.
  • Elementer 2012/09/14 07:25:05 (edited)
    No
    Elementer
    +4
    To all the people who voted "no".

    I hope you feel that we shouldn't have gotten involved in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc either. And I hope you're all for cutting our ridiculously-sized military so we can pull troops from bases in Germany, Korea, and Japan among dozens of others.

    defense spending
  • Annie~P... Elementer 2012/09/14 09:19:47
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +2
    Matter fact, what the hell are we still doing in all of those places?
  • Elementer Annie~P... 2012/09/14 09:34:21 (edited)
    Elementer
    +1
    It's leftovers from World War II and the Cold War, both of which are long over. Japan is one of our biggest allies and Germany is so paranoid of another Reich popping up, they won't ever dare start another World War. We still keep troops there because we don't trust our own allies. Some people say it for "fast response" deployment, but that isn't true. It's just our government trying to keep an eye on every single major nation on the planet when we should be minding our own business.

    We used to be a country that loved isolationism, but now we want to get involved in everything.
  • glen Elementer 2012/09/14 11:35:27
    glen
    What happens when everyone comes home to no jobs ? How many troops are in theatre right now ? Do we propogate war to keep the population down ?
  • Elementer glen 2012/09/14 17:57:04
    Elementer
    +1
    So do we keep spending to keep troops in places we don't need them? That's stupid.
  • glen Elementer 2012/09/14 18:01:53
    glen
    That's what happens when you star something you can't finish.
  • Drug Free Elementer 2012/09/14 14:16:40
  • Elementer Drug Free 2012/09/14 17:58:47
    Elementer
    +1
    We're a country that's barely over 200 years of age. The world got along just fine without America before. We weren't even relevant on the world stage until after World War II. It's pretty arrogant of us to think we're the sole peacekeeper when we've started plenty of wars ourselves and made wars that would've ended quickly (Vietnam) into years worth of bloodshed.
  • Drug Free Elementer 2012/09/15 01:40:52 (edited)
    Drug Free
    You can look at the glass as half empty or half full.
    And not true about America not been relevant until world war 2.
    America has done more than any other country in the world in its short 200 year history as compared to all the other nations that have been around for 2000 years.
    It seems you do not know your history as well as you should.

    You watch what would happen if America decided to isolate itself and let the "chips fall where they may"

    At this time history no nation can simply ignore what is going on in other parts of the world as there are too many factors involved.
    Or you could have been born in North Korea...a country that is run by people who loathe America and the American politicians and Americans in general and force their style of politics and dictatorship on all the citizens that have "No Choice"
    That and to this day the "darling" of all immigrants around the world continues to be America as the premier choice as to "where" immigrants want to immigrate to...even all those radical muslims that everyone thinks hates America.. also want to immigrate to America
    Why would that be????

    Your focused far more so on Americas indiscreations while conveniently forgetting all the good that America has done in the last 200 years and will continue to do so far more so than other nations.
    Do you really think the likes of China and Russia are going to lead the world better than America???
  • Matt Sj... Elementer 2012/09/15 22:48:02 (edited)
    Matt Sjaastad
    Isolation was a great notion.

    Too bad it sank with the Arizona at Pearl Harbor.
  • ☆astac☆ Elementer 2012/09/14 13:03:22
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    Shut up
  • Red Branch Elementer 2012/09/14 16:07:49
    Red Branch
    Afghanistan & Iraq attacked us and needed to be chastised for it.

    Our paying for the defense of Europe and elsewhere needs to end.
  • Elementer Red Branch 2012/09/14 17:56:09
    Elementer
    Iraq never attacked us.
  • Red Branch Elementer 2012/09/15 01:50:13
    Red Branch
    Saddam sponsored.
    1991 - Islamic terr training camps in the US. They were in Somalia and haven't stopped attacking us.
    1993 - WTC bombing.
    1995 - Oklahoma City Bombing, 2 of Saddam's Republican Guards provided the brain work and expertise. McVeigh was an accessory.
  • Elementer Red Branch 2012/09/15 04:14:24
    Elementer
    +1
    I don't know about the ones in 1991 and 1995. I'll have to do more research.

    I don't believe he sponsored the 1993 attack.

    Besides, even if the latest attack he sponsored were in 1995 why did we wait nearly a decade (2003) to invade Iraq?
  • Red Branch Elementer 2012/09/15 16:03:02
    Red Branch
    Clinton was president in 1995 and was happy that he found a white guy to blame and didn't look any further.

    "The Third Terrorist". Jayna Davis.
    This explains the connection to Saddam and the Oklahoma City bombing.

    I am out of time and if you reply, I will finish my answer.
  • Derbyhat 2012/09/14 07:09:29
    Yes
    Derbyhat
    +1
    It is rarely wrong to stand up for an oppressed people who are under attack by its own brothers in uniform with their far superior weapons. Libya is a place where humanity was of concern. Obama should have forced Libyan forced to work without air, armor and artillery. Drones and U.S. air cover could have done that. With the situation in Syria a close parallel to Libya, Assad's forces should have been halted in the same way.

    Obama reflects very heavily about his father, a muslim. Consequently Obama is partial to Islam and seems to be touting a social justice line where money is spread around and appeasing Islam to make the world a better place. Spreading the wealth around will just take money from America and give it to those with a sincere disdain for the American Dream as our founders fashioned it. And appeasing Islam has the same effect as playing with matches near a propare leak. When the wind blows in one direction things are calm, when it blows in the direction of the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan the world will experience a flair up again, and again, and again, and again. What U.S. diplomat is next to deal with this religion of Islam where love and hate are just the opposite sides of the same blade.

    Obama believes Arab Spring is a good thing! How ...
    It is rarely wrong to stand up for an oppressed people who are under attack by its own brothers in uniform with their far superior weapons. Libya is a place where humanity was of concern. Obama should have forced Libyan forced to work without air, armor and artillery. Drones and U.S. air cover could have done that. With the situation in Syria a close parallel to Libya, Assad's forces should have been halted in the same way.

    Obama reflects very heavily about his father, a muslim. Consequently Obama is partial to Islam and seems to be touting a social justice line where money is spread around and appeasing Islam to make the world a better place. Spreading the wealth around will just take money from America and give it to those with a sincere disdain for the American Dream as our founders fashioned it. And appeasing Islam has the same effect as playing with matches near a propare leak. When the wind blows in one direction things are calm, when it blows in the direction of the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan the world will experience a flair up again, and again, and again, and again. What U.S. diplomat is next to deal with this religion of Islam where love and hate are just the opposite sides of the same blade.

    Obama believes Arab Spring is a good thing! How is that working? The trouble is that Arab Spring is just a poetic name for "jihad"! If Obama scored high on in his mysterious studies at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard, he must have been scored on a bid bell curve. For future presidents, we must insist on verification of at least completing the fourth grade. Obama's grasp of foreign policy seems on par with Biden's grasp on reality!
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  • Ian Derbyhat 2012/09/14 08:04:10
    Ian
    +1
    I totally agree with your first paragraph. I am not sure I agree with your second paragraph.

    The Arab Spring would be a good thing if we ended up with democracies that respect human rights in the Arab lands. We here in Malaysia are trying to do achieve that as well, after 55 years under the same "moderate Muslim" party since the British left.

    We actually started our fight for democracy before the Arab Spring but since we're less dramatic than the Arabs, there's been much less world attention about what's happening here.
  • ☆astac☆ Ian 2012/09/14 13:04:58
    ☆astac☆
    +1
    The arab spring was not about demcoracy, it was about toppling pro west governments that were secular, and replace them with radical islamic governments
  • Ian ☆astac☆ 2012/09/17 16:00:58 (edited)
    Ian
    It certainly was about democracy for the majority of the people, but yes, it is true that radical extremist Muslim groups are trying to take advantage of it, and thjs is of great concern for me as a minority Christian citizen of a Muslim country as well.
  • ☆astac☆ Ian 2012/09/18 02:46:38
    ☆astac☆
    Keep in mind a true democracy is the wolves voting for what is for dinner while in the chicken coop. With a true democracy, some faction is always put down. Look towards a Constitutional Republic
  • Ian ☆astac☆ 2012/09/20 02:29:10
    Ian
    +1
    Sorry, I was sloppily using "democracy" in the colloquial sense. Constitutional republic or a democratic constitutional monarchy with respect for human rights of all citizens including minorities is what I was getting at.
  • Bob DiN Derbyhat 2012/09/14 15:50:36
    Bob DiN
    +2
    Obama broke it by meddling in the affairs of Libya, now we own it
  • Derbyhat Bob DiN 2012/09/16 17:35:46
    Derbyhat
    +1
    We (Obama) owns it, but the American people will pay for it! Obama says it is all Bush's fault! Or perhaps those are Valerie's words and Biden's and Pelosi's and.........
  • Red Branch Derbyhat 2012/09/14 16:12:02
    Red Branch
    +3
    The people had far more liberty under the Shah than they have had for the past 30 years under the Mad Mollos. The operative Islamic political axiom: "One Free Election One Time".

    The main objection to the Shah was that he allowed Iranian women to dress and act like Western women. Libs have criticized the Shah for restricting freedom of religion and he did do that. The Shah did not force women to dress like a circus tent, stoning and flogging women for offenses against Sharia law was prohibited.
  • Rosy 2012/09/14 07:05:24
    No
    Rosy
    +7
    Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it? What I'm really angry about is that our illustrious State Department had a notice of at least 48 hours prior to this horrible incident that the American Embassy was going to be under attack. Go to the Drudge Report and read all about it. It took the independent news to report this. No other media outlet had it, including fox news, cbs, abc, nbc.
  • Crank_I... Rosy 2012/09/14 07:20:26
    Crank_It_Up
    +1
    I don't think it would be wise to allow terrorists to dictate a change in American policy, but it seems the republicans posting here want to crumble at the first little bump in the road. How weak, why lay down and turn over control of our government to the enemy? I guess they are not real Americans after all.

    The late ambassador would not have wanted us to change. Stevens, an affable 52-year-old diplomat famed for his humility, integrity and willingness to listen, would not want us to help them, according to colleagues and friends.

    Mark Ward, a senior USAID and State Department official who worked with Stevens in Libya, said his wishes would be clear. "He would say to the American people please don't turn your back on Libya," Ward said in an interview Wednesday. "They've been through 40 terrible years, they've just held elections and they've rejected extremism. This is absolutely not the time to let a couple of lunatics throw us off our resolve."

    According to Ward, Stevens' message to Libyans would be to arrest the suspected perpetrators, provide them with defense lawyers and give them a fair trial. ''Do the right thing,'" Ward said of the way to honor Stevens. "If there is one thing life should stand for, let it stand for the rule of law."

    Fred Abrahams, a senior advisor with ...



    I don't think it would be wise to allow terrorists to dictate a change in American policy, but it seems the republicans posting here want to crumble at the first little bump in the road. How weak, why lay down and turn over control of our government to the enemy? I guess they are not real Americans after all.

    The late ambassador would not have wanted us to change. Stevens, an affable 52-year-old diplomat famed for his humility, integrity and willingness to listen, would not want us to help them, according to colleagues and friends.

    Mark Ward, a senior USAID and State Department official who worked with Stevens in Libya, said his wishes would be clear. "He would say to the American people please don't turn your back on Libya," Ward said in an interview Wednesday. "They've been through 40 terrible years, they've just held elections and they've rejected extremism. This is absolutely not the time to let a couple of lunatics throw us off our resolve."

    According to Ward, Stevens' message to Libyans would be to arrest the suspected perpetrators, provide them with defense lawyers and give them a fair trial. ''Do the right thing,'" Ward said of the way to honor Stevens. "If there is one thing life should stand for, let it stand for the rule of law."

    Fred Abrahams, a senior advisor with Human Rights Watch who frequently met with Stevens while working in Libya, agreed. He said the ambassador wasn't naïve about the country's vast problems but saw Qaddafi's overthrow as historic opportunity to establish the rule of law Libyans yearned for after 42-years of chaotic Qaddafi rule.

    "Just as the U.S. should not be blamed for the offensive film of a few deluded whackos, Libya should not be blamed for the unjustified violence of a few ignorant extremists," Abrahams said in an email Thursday. "And maybe this will spur the Libyan government to rein in the militias that have troubled Libya since Gaddafi's fall - Chris would have wanted that."

    http://www.reuters.com/articl...
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  • Annie~P... Crank_I... 2012/09/14 09:23:02
    Annie~Pro American~Pro Israel
    +2
    So, did you crumble when Bush went into Iraq? Do you really think it's only repubs that disagree with all of these toppling of regimes - Egypt, Libya now Syria to name a few? Apparently, Obama's regime toppling is back firing on everyone.
  • flrdsgns 2012/09/14 06:28:28
    No
    flrdsgns
    +5
    We should stay out of all of their civil wars and revolutions
  • J.MaisOui 2012/09/14 05:22:23
    No
    J.MaisOui
    +5
    America needs to mind its own business....take care of us..let everyone else fend for themselves. why is our military in over 120 countries?
  • ivegotl... J.MaisOui 2012/09/14 08:24:46
    ivegotloveinmypants
    +1
    Thank you- a Yank who sees sense! Think of all the billions that would be better off helping you and your own family- not somebody else's family so many miles away. No offense to them, but their own government needs to step up.
  • 1776gwash 2012/09/14 04:47:43
    No
    1776gwash
    +4
    It was none of our business. All the idiots that think this CIA incursion to overthrow a leader of another country is OK, then just watch the reverberations.
  • Red Branch 1776gwash 2012/09/14 16:16:36
    Red Branch
    It wasn't aware that the CIA did anything.
    I am aware that Obama unilaterally ordered the US military to bomb Libyan govt buildings and their military.
    If the CIA was in Libya, and I do mean if, Obama sent them there.

    It was none of our business as you say, however, tell Obama that as we already know it.
    It was none of our business as you say, however tell Congress to clean up their act and impeach Obama.
  • Sue Deenim 2012/09/14 04:43:10
    Yes
    Sue Deenim
    +1
    I know people who came from Libya and some who still live there. They are good people who were very grateful for the help given by the U.S. and the other countries that helped stop the widespread slaughter of innocent civilians. They are horrified by what took place. Chris Stevens was well liked and respected. There are always going to be crazy and violent people and any excuse will do. We have to protect ourselves as much as possible, especially when we are in other countries, although it happens in the U.S. too. We can't let the actions of some crazies change who we are. I do believe that it will be possible to find out who was behind the murders, because most of the people there are outraged and there is so much video taken nowadays. We are not an island. We can't mind our own business as long as we are so dependent on oil. Helping Libya was not an altruistic move, even though it helped them.
  • Ian Sue Deenim 2012/09/14 08:05:36
  • Red Branch Sue Deenim 2012/09/14 16:18:05
    Red Branch
    I don't believe that we buy much if any Libyan oil. I think most of that goes to Europe. But, we do need to use our oil and stop our dependence on foreign nations.
  • Sam Debater 2012/09/14 04:24:41
    Yes
    Sam Debater
    +1
    The question is odd and ambiguous, but, yes, the U.S. should have been involved in Libya, as we have been most of the last decade. I don't believe the U.S. should have aided in overthrowing Gaddafi (this time around).

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