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Unions; have they outlived their usefulness or not?

L1 2012/06/01 06:43:25
It seems to me that a lot of Americans do not support having unions nor being in one VS previous decades.

Unions were formed out of the need to give rights to the average worker, but much has changed in the past 100+ years since the unions came to be since the 19th century. Child labor laws went into place, work hours were established, etc.

They have gone through ups and owns, with the last big resurgence being after WWII, and another for farmer workers with the Cesar Chavez movement. They also have gone from being seen a blue collar labor force ideal to white collar professions turning to union representation as well as those in sports fields and the arts.

Unions have gone through the downs too with decreasing membership and accusations of corruption among it's leaders. Concerns about unions and politics, as well interference with professionalism have been noted.

All this has led to a dramatic change with people on opposite ends of the spectrum, one side stating that unions are no longer relevant, and the other stating that they more relevant than ever as evidenced the new formation of unions in professions that have not had them before such as nurses.

With all this that has transpired and this very brief summary, do you think unions have outlived their usefulness or not? What do you think? Please be civil. Thanks.








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  • Rusty Bubbles 2012/06/01 09:45:44
    Rusty Bubbles
    +13
    My perceived problem with unions

    -- It’s not so much the individual, but with their unions. The past few years it has been obvious to anyone with active brain cells that the local economies across the country are struggling. But unions don't seem to be able or willing to pull their heads out of the sand and take a look around. If they did they would see:
    • Single guy across the street had his car repossessed
    • The neighbor who lost his job
    • Couple up the street had their home foreclosed on
    • Long lines at the unemployment office
    • College kids unable to find a decent job

    But what do the unions do in times like these...Demand more....when they should be saying something a bit more reasonable like

    ...."Hey, we're good for right now, we'll talk again in a year or two."

    Over the years unions have morphed into just another power hungry group of greedy organizations

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  • jmc07806-PWCM-JLA 2012/06/04 12:30:29
    jmc07806-PWCM-JLA
    +1
    They have outlived their usefulness.
  • L1 jmc0780... 2012/06/04 14:28:38
    L1
    Thanks!
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/06/03 05:38:59
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    I am not against Unions in the least. What I have a problem with is the regulation that the Government have put on Companies that have made it difficult for Companies to sit down and have fair negotiations.
  • L1 ☆stillt... 2012/06/03 05:43:35
    L1
    +1
    The federal or state? It can vary from state to state, and there plenty of state regulations that make it hard for companies from taxes to environmental regulations to labor. You got a point. Thanks.
  • ☆stillt... L1 2012/06/03 05:49:42
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    +1
    You are very welcome.
  • Marcus Clark 2012/06/03 02:56:25
    Marcus Clark
    +1
    Unions are mostly if not completely obsolete. The benefits they accomplished are now a part of law. The purpose they serve now is mostly to enrich union bosses and enable lazy people to keep a job that they should be fired from.
  • L1 Marcus ... 2012/06/03 03:25:47
    L1
    +1
    Thanks for posting!
  • mchappell2 2012/06/02 21:50:03
    mchappell2
    +1
    They are nothing more than greedy leeches...Take from the worker...And give little or nothing in return
  • L1 mchappell2 2012/06/03 03:25:55
    L1
    +1
    Thanks!
  • mchappell2 L1 2012/06/03 12:26:23
    mchappell2
    You are welcome
  • CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/02 20:21:03
    CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Unions are obsolete. Everything they fought for is now covered by state and federal laws. Their only goal now is money and political power.
  • L1 CMackle... 2012/06/03 03:26:05
    L1
    +1
    Thanks!
  • HarleyCharley 2012/06/02 12:37:17
    HarleyCharley
    +2
    they protect the lazy...
  • L1 HarleyC... 2012/06/03 03:26:16
    L1
    Thanks for sharing!
  • 2sly 2012/06/02 11:21:23
    2sly
    +2
    They are a waste of your time and money. Yes they can get you a raise or higher benefits but when the Company or the State has to cut back they still lay you off and weres the Union then. All they want is members that pay into thier system of corruption and to line thier pockets with your money. Kinda like Obama they just want all the money he can squeeze out of you. Unions Suck
    NOBAMA 2012
  • L1 2sly 2012/06/03 03:26:33
    L1
    Thanks!
  • DuncanONeil 2012/06/02 00:42:49
    DuncanONeil
    +1
    Yes they have!
  • L1 DuncanO... 2012/06/02 01:02:34
    L1
    Thanks for sharing!
  • Philo® ~PWCM~JLA ✩ 2012/06/01 22:33:35
    Philo® ~PWCM~JLA ✩
    +2
    At best, unions promote mediocrity and stifle initiative; at worst they are corrupt and evil. My Dad was a member in good standing of a union for 35 years, until he was injured at his workplace and had to retire. He had to sue the union to get the benefits they were supposed to provide as a matter of course! I would never belong to one!!
  • L1 Philo® ... 2012/06/01 22:35:19
    L1
    +1
    That's one POV I'm hearing. Thanks for sharing!
  • Stix 2012/06/01 22:15:53
    Stix
    +2
    Unions are more about politics then they are about looking out for the people they represent...
  • L1 Stix 2012/06/01 22:35:51
    L1
    It's getting that it's all politics and I find that sad. Thanks for sharing!
  • Stan Kapusta 2012/06/01 22:12:29
    Stan Kapusta
    +1
    The unions no longer represent the worker. They represent union dues for the locals. I sat in meetings when peoples grievences became a bargaining chip with the company and the union. The unions became companies themselves.
  • L1 Stan Ka... 2012/06/01 22:36:14
    L1
    Power corrupts, I agree. Thanks for sharing!
  • relic 2012/06/01 22:08:10
    relic
    +3
    Unions today protect the least quilified, least productive employees. Time for a National Right-to-Work Law.
  • L1 relic 2012/06/01 22:38:04
    L1
    +1
    So far it by states only, and I don't know if it will become nationalized. I do know it's been proposed before. Thanks!
  • Stan Ka... relic 2012/06/01 23:04:14
    Stan Kapusta
    +1
    You have no idea how true. Cleveland Fire Dept. Union Rules 2 years pay 19 days worked. Not fired. Time traded or paid to work.
  • mike 2012/06/01 20:44:20
    mike
    +1
    No, if your Blue Collar private sector you need to be organized to have protection so that you can negotiate for a fair share of the wealth you help your employer create.
  • L1 mike 2012/06/01 22:39:52
    L1
    That's interesting because while blue collar union representation has either held still or dropped off, professional unions have been up and coming with what has been traditionally thought of as the white collar sector. Thanks!
  • 1wickedwitch 2012/06/01 20:17:46
    1wickedwitch
    +2
    Ask the people who live in a right to work state for $6 a hr.and 20 hrs a week no ins for the kids and have to have food stamps just to feed the family..
  • L1 1wicked... 2012/06/01 22:42:19
    L1
    Currently there are 23 states that are right to work VS the rest. I do know that abuses still go on not just with workers, but with working conditions. It's why California has a nurses unions throughout much of the state and we are the only state with patient ratios.
    Thanks!
  • Pedro Doller ~Inc. 2012/06/01 18:14:40
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    +1
    Labor Unions are nothing but giant Hedge Funds. Collective bargaining and labor relations are nothing but amusing little diversions. As they (along with their pension funds) control the majority of investments on Wall Street they are obsessed with high stakes gambling and expect the public to bail them out when they lose.
  • L1 Pedro D... 2012/06/01 22:44:48
    L1
    +1
    The City and county employees got pensions as far as I know. The union in my hospital is not closed shop, but members don't get pensions- you got to make your own 401K or do by yourself. Thanks for sharing!
  • none 2012/06/01 17:29:56
    none
    +3
    Trade unions are good and provide a valuable service, public sector unions like SEIU and teacher unions are in it only for themselves and should be done away with, they are responsible for poor education and bankrupting states because of unreasonable demands.
  • L1 none 2012/06/01 22:47:22
    L1
    +1
    Teachers' unions are the only ones with tenure that I know. My job doesn't have that though the union many nurses belong to doesn't provide that. Basically, there are more protections but it's not just money, we also have monthly meetings with upper management of patient care practices too. Thanks!
  • none L1 2012/06/01 23:03:03
    none
    +1
    The tenure in teachers unions prevents useless teachers from being fired for poor job performance, that's part of the reason the quality of education is so low.
  • Bob DiN 2012/06/01 17:01:37
    Bob DiN
    +3
    Yes mostly because they have become corrupt. They no longer represent their membership and are just collector of dues.
  • L1 Bob DiN 2012/06/01 22:48:17
    L1
    That does indeed happens when the power gets too big and little people and/or parts of the union get overlooked for the bullies. Seen that happen too. Not good.
  • Bob DiN L1 2012/06/01 23:43:55
    Bob DiN
    +1
    Back in the day I was on the executive board of my union for over 25 years. I was President when I retired. Back then most unions were legit and represented their members. I saw the change happening my last 10 years. It's a shame what has evolved. Todays leaders are into Marxism and not the labor movement to benefit their membership. Absolute power absolutely corrupts.
  • L1 Bob DiN 2012/06/01 23:46:12
    L1
    Absolute power anywhere always corrupts. True.....

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