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Under Senate Bill 1172, it will be ILLEGAL for therapists to try to turn GAY children STRAIGHT?

Katherine 2012/08/13 10:44:49



Ex-Gay Advocates Blast Calif. Senator Over Bill Banning Reparative Therapy

Audrey Barrick
August 10, 2012|4:42 pm

Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) released on Thursday an open letter addressed to Calif. Senator Ted Lieu, accusing him of endangering youth by denying their right to receive "conversion" or "reparative therapy."

"As parents of gays and ex-gays, we are ashamed of your willingness to take action against parents, children, and the family in order to support gay activists," the letter states. "California is not a socialist state and our children do not belong to the government, subject to the ideology of the state over the objections of their parents."

Lieu introduced legislation earlier this year that would ban therapy for minors aimed at changing one's sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual – "regardless of the willingness of a patient" or a "patient's parent." The state senator has called such therapy "bogus" and harmful. If approved, it would make California the first state in the nation to end reparative therapy for minors.

The State Assembly's Appropriations Committee passed the bill this week. It now heads to the Senate for concurrence on amendments made to the measure. PFOX, which supports families and advocates for the ex-gay community, contends in its letter that Lieu's bill is "an act of childhood endangerment and an unconstitutional attempt to deny parental rights everywhere."

"Your bill will turn California into a nanny state by usurping the civil rights of parents who support their child's right to receive therapy for unwanted same-sex attractions, especially when that child has been sexually molested. This smacks of fascism and ex-gay bashing."

Lieu acknowledged that the legislation, SB 1172, would infringe parental rights. But he said that's the point. "The attack on parental rights is exactly the whole point of the bill because we don't want to let parents harm their children," he said, according to The Orange County Register. "For example, the government will not allow parents to let their kids to smoke cigarettes. We also won't have parents let their children consume alcohol at a bar or restaurant."

PFOX claims that "thousands of men, women and teens with unwanted same-sex attractions make the personal decision to leave homosexuality" each year. But such "ex-gays," the group notes, are often disrespected and PFOX is trying to eliminate negative perceptions and discrimination against former homosexuals. The group argued that Lieu lacks credible knowledge about "changeable sexual preference" and he is promoting homosexual behavior to "sexually confused youth."

In opposition to the measure, both PFOX and NARTH (National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality) have pointed to the American Psychological Association's findings. "The American Psychological Association has observed that there are no studies by which to accurately estimate the effectiveness of sexual orientation change intervention or the prevalence of harm," said NARTH President Dr. Christopher Rosik. "In NARTH's view, a truly scientific response would call for more and better research to answer these questions, not a legislative ban that runs roughshod over professional judgment and parental choice."

PFOX also pointed out, "This same APA also stated that affirmative approaches [gay-affirming therapy efforts] have 'not been evaluated for safety and efficacy.' Therefore homosexual affirming therapy should be included in your SB 1172 as it has not been proven to be safe."

If Lieu is concerned about the safety of children, PFOX further argued, then he should also be aware of the 2010 CDC AIDS report. "77% of diagnosed HIV infections were attributed to MSM (men who have sex with men). Of those aged 13 to 24 youth, 89% was attributed to MSM. In fact, MSM aged 13 to 24 youth had the greatest increase in diagnosis (44%). Talk about harm to children!" the group asserted. "Why do you want to prevent youth from receiving counseling for unwanted same-sex attractions when those attractions can kill them?"

Under the bill, any sexual orientation change efforts attempted would be considered "unprofessional conduct" and the provider would be subject to discipline by the provider's licensing entity.

Controversy follows effort to ban gay conversion therapy

By Kim Reyes
August 2, 2012

SACRAMENTO – State Sen. Ted Lieu portrays it as a simple measure to protect children from a harmful, and dubious, style of counseling. But, as with any legislation involving sexual orientation, the issue is far from simple. Lieu's Senate Bill 1172 would ban sexual orientation conversion therapy for California minors—even if they or their parents want it.

Such treatment, which seeks to change a patient's sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual, is widely criticized in the psychological community as scientifically ineffective and even dangerous. It is blamed for depression and suicide attempts in lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youths.

The bill has steadily made its way through the Legislature on the strength of near-unanimous support by Democrats. Republicans, however, have quietly opposed the bill, not on religious grounds or some wanton disregard for child safety, but on the basis of parental rights and the proper role of the Legislature in regulating therapy.

"The default of this Legislature is to assume authority over parents by getting invested in issues of medicine, which is something it is not qualified to do, especially regarding matters of medical decisions made between parents and children," said Orange County Assemblyman Donald Wagner, R-Irvine.

The Legislature has no business telling parents how to raise their kids, Wagner said, nor is it appropriate for a bunch of legislators without medical training to judge the effectiveness of a particular therapy.

"I'm not a doctor," the assemblyman said. Indeed, three experts consulted by the Orange County Register said they were not aware of the California State Legislature ever outlawing a specific kind of therapy.

"Therapies themselves are not regulated. We regulate individuals or licensees, and we do not have the ability or statutory authority to ban a certain type of therapy," said Marc Mason, administrative manager at the Board of Behavioral Sciences, which licenses counselors and therapists in California.

Under Lieu's bill, licensed therapists could still talk with patients about their sexuality, but they would be banned from trying to change the sexual orientation of any Californian under the age of 18. The bill would brand this type of therapy as "unprofessional conduct," a charge that, depending on the circumstances, could lead to fines or even the revocation of a professional license.

"There is nothing in our specific law and regulations that (bans a type of therapy)," said Jeffrey Thomas, the assistant executive officer at the California Board of Psychology, another licensing board. "Obviously, there are some types of therapies that are not considered ethical, so if we received a complaint, we would take action."

The American Psychological Association, which is responsible for establishing ethical standards within the field, "does not approve or ban" therapies, said Rhea Farberman, an association spokeswoman. The association has said that sexual re-orientation efforts are not effective, but hasn't designated such therapy as an ethical violation. Farberman said such decisions are up to individual states.

Lieu's bill would represent the nation's first ban on sexual orientation conversion therapy, a point he prominently advertises in his press materials about the proposal.

"The facts show that you cannot change someone's sexual orientation, and when you try to do that, it harms them," said the Democratic senator from Torrance. "The only (legitimate study showing) that highly-motivated homosexuals can change their orientation was conducted by Robert Spitzer (a renowned psychiatrist). He retracted his study this past year, noting that there was no scientific reasoning to back up his findings. So, there is no factual proof that this type of therapy works."

Lieu said he got the idea for the bill after seeing a television special last fall about adults who had gone through this kind of therapy as children. He said he was struck by their description of traumatic experiences, confusion, depression and suicidal thoughts.

"This therapy is emotional and psychological abuse," said James Guay, a licensed marriage and family therapist in San Francisco who says he underwent sexual orientation conversion therapy when he was 16 after struggling with homosexual thoughts for four years. My parents helped me find someone who could help me change who I am," Guay said. But it didn't work. Initially, it "reduced the level of shame," Guay said, "but ended up exacerbating the problem when (the therapist) showed me that being gay was my own fault." Guay ultimately rejected the therapy and today is openly gay.

Sexual orientation conversion therapy is absolutely illegitimate, Lieu said, and that's why he wants to stop parents from sending their kids to it. "The attack on parental rights is exactly the whole point of the bill because we don't want to let parents harm their children," he said. "For example, the government will not allow parents to let their kids to smoke cigarettes. We also won't have parents let their children consume alcohol at a bar or restaurant. We have these laws to stop parents from hurting their kids. Reparative therapy hurts children, so this bill allows us to stop parents from hurting their children."


SB-1172 Sexual orientation change efforts (bill text)

SB 1172, as amended, Lieu. Sexual orientation change efforts.

Existing law provides for licensing and regulation of various professions in the healing arts, including physicians and surgeons, psychologists, marriage and family therapists, educational psychologists, clinical social workers, and licensed professional clinical counselors.

This bill would prohibit a mental health provider, as defined, from engaging in sexual orientation change efforts, as defined, with a patient under 18 years of age. The bill would provide that any sexual orientation change efforts attempted on a patient under 18 years of age by a mental health provider shall be considered unprofessional conduct and shall subject the provider to discipline by the provider’s licensing entity.

The bill would also declare the intent of the Legislature in this regard.

(a) Being lesbian, gay, or bisexual is not a disease, disorder, illness, deficiency, or shortcoming. The major professional associations of mental health practitioners and researchers in the United States have recognized this fact for nearly 40 years.


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Let us, for a moment, rewind to the year 1970. In this year, same-gender sex activists began a program of intimidation aimed at the American Psychiatric Association (APA). Activist Frank Kameny states the movement’s objective clearly, “I feel that the entire homophile movement…is going to stand or fall upon the question of whether or not homosexuality is a sickness, and upon our taking a firm stand on it…” (The Gay Crusaders, by Kay Tobin and Randy Wicker, p. 98)

In 1970, psychiatrists generally considered sexual desires toward members of one’s own gender to be disordered. Karoly Maria Kertbeny’s term, “homosexual” was the official descriptor for those inflicted by this mental-physical disassociative disorder. Psychiatry’s authoritative voice influenced public opinion, which at the time was negative toward same-gender sex. Of course, public sexual activity in parks and public restrooms contributed to societies negative views about the types of people that did such things, but “scientific opinion” was crucial in the public attitude.

Led by radicals like Frank Kameny, same-gender sex activists attacked many psychiatrists publicly, as Newsweek describes, “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos for twenty minutes. ‘We are here to denounce your authority to call us sick or mentally disordered,’ shouted the group’s leader, Dr. Franklin Kameny, while the 2,000 shocked psychiatrists looked on in disbelief. ‘For us, as homosexuals, your profession is the enemy incarnate. We demand that psychiatrists treat us as human beings, not as patients to be cured!’” (Newsweek, 8-23-71, p.47)

Ironically, at the very moment Franklin Kameny was claiming that same-gender sex was healthy, safe, and natural, a deadly virus was silently passing through communities of men all over the nation as a result of the promiscuous, unhealthy nature of the sex they were having. Only a decade later, thousands of men would be dead or dying, of AIDS.

On June 7, of the following year, 1971, Franklin Kameny wrote a letter to the Psychiatric News threatening the APA with not only more, but worse, disruptions. In this letter he states, “Our presence there was only the beginning of an increasingly intensive campaign by homosexuals to change the approach of psychiatry toward homosexuality or, failing that, to discredit psychiatry.” (The Gay Crusaders p. 130-131)

Same-gender sex activists continued to pressure the APA through 1973. A same-gender sex magazine, The Advocate, talks of “…what happened in 1973…referring to the widespread protests by the gay and lesbian community that led to the APA’s dropping homosexuality from the DSM.” (The Advocate, 12-28-93, p.40) As a result of the pressure, in the words of the prominent journalist and same-gender sex activists, Andrew Sullivan, in December of 1973 the APA, “…under intense political pressure…removed homosexuality from its official list of psychiatric disorders…” (Love Undetectable, book by Andrew Sullivan, 1998, p. 107) Under this “intense political pressure” the APA’s board of trustees finally caved in to the demands of same-gender sex activists. Another same-gender sex activist Mark Thompson writes, “Just before the first of the year, the American Psychiatric Association’s board of trustees declared we were no longer sick.” (The Long Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p. 97)

After the vote by the American Psychiatric Associations Board of Trustees, some members of the APA, led by Dr. Charles Socarides called for a full vote by the APA’s 17,905 members. (The Long Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p. 104)

On April 9, 1974, results of the vote were announced. Only 10,555 of the 17,905 APA members had voted in the election. The results were as follows,

Total APA members eligible to vote: 17,905
Number of APA members that actually voted: 10,555
Number of members that “Abstained”: 367
Number of “ No” votes-votes to keep “homosexuality” in the DSM as a mental disorder: 3,810
Number of “Yes” votes-votes to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM as a mental disorder: 5,854

It should be noted that the number of “Yes” (5,854) made up only 32.7 percent of the total membership of the APA. Only slightly less than one-third of the APA’s membership approved the change. It should be further noted that the “National Gay Task Force” was able to obtain APA members addresses and the “NGTF” (with-out identifying itself) and they sent creepy letters to all members urging them to vote to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM. Bruce Voeller, the head of the NGTF admits, “Our costly letter has perhaps made the difference.” (The Long Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p. 105-106) Dishonesty and intimidation had won the day for the same-gender sex movement, and when activists publicly claim that this vote was a scientific decision; they hide three years of deceit and intimidation. In same-gender sex publications, however, activists are remarkably candid about the reality of the vote. For example, Kay Tobin Lahausen, co-author of The Gay Crusaders describes a variety of activism. “We did all sorts of protests…When the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations came out of some meeting and got in his big black limousine, I remember going crazy, rocking and beating on the limousine…He had never been besieged by a bunch of homosexuals before. But he had said something that got us going.” (Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, 1945-1990: an Oral History by Eric Marcus p.216-217) (–Author Marcus has worked as an associate producer for “CBS This Morning” and “Good Morning America.”)

Lahausen’s lover, Barbara Gittings was a well known activist during this time as well. Gittings was the first head of the American Library Association Gay Task Force, although she was not a librarian her objective was to bring books advocating the same-gender sex movement to the attention of librarians in hopes of having them included in libraries. At one American Library Association meeting Gittings set up a same-gender kissing booth, to attract attention to the same-gender sex. Gittings tells about her activism against the APA. “Besides the ALA, I was also very involved, along with many other people, in efforts to get the American Psychiatric Association… to drop its listing of homosexuality as a mental illness. Psychiatrists were one of the three major groups that had their hands on us. They had a kind of control over our fate, in the eyes of the public, for a long time. “Religion and law were the other two groups that had their hands on us. So, besides being sick, we were sinful and criminal. But the sickness label infected everything that we said and made it difficult for us to gain any credibility for anything we said ourselves. The sickness issue was paramount.” (Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, 1945-1990: an Oral History by Eric Marcus p.221)

Gittings took place in the disruptive attacks (“saps”) on the APA. She states, “I am not opposed to sap tactics. In fact, I spearheaded a sap at a psychiatrists meeting and I’m ready to do it again.” (The Gay Crusaders, p.234) Barbara Gittings recounts, “The 1970 convention in San Francisco was disrupted by a group of feminists and gay men who were enraged by what the psychiatrists were saying about them—and newspapers all around the country carried the story” (The Gay Crusaders, p.216). The “Gay” Militants, a book about that time, adds details, “On May 14, 1970 psychiatrists became the hunted. An invasion by the coalition of ‘gay’ and woman’s liberationists interrupted the national convention of the American Psychiatric Association in San Francisco to protest the reading of a paper by an Australian psychiatrists on the subject of ‘aversion therapy,’ a system of treatment which attempts to change gay orientation by keying unpleasant sensations (such as electric shocks) to homosexual stimuli. By the time the meeting was over, the feminists and their gay cohorts were in charge…and the doctors were heckling from the audience.’” (The Gay Militants, by Donn Teal, p.272-273)

Same-gender sex activists took over the podium and microphones. Then, “Konstantin Berlandt, of Berkeley GLF, paraded through the hall in bright red dress. Paper airplanes sailed down from the balcony. With two papers still unread, the chairman announced adjournment.” (Ibid., p.274) On June 23, 1970 same-gender sex activists disrupted yet another meeting, this time in Chicago, be repeatedly shouting down the main speakers discourse. (Ibid., 275) Then, in October at a meeting at the University of Southern California, same-gender sex activists shouted down a speaker and then took over the stage and the microphone. (Ibid., pp.276-280)

Kay Lahusen and Barbera Gittings know what really happened to the APA. In the book, Making History they are quite open about the reality.

Kay: This was always more of a political decision than a medical decision.
Barbara: It never was a medical decision—and that’s why I think the action came so fast. After all, it was only three years from the time that feminists and gays first sapped the APA at a behavior therapy session to the time that the Board of Trustees voted in 1973 to approve removing homosexuality from the list of mental disorders. It was a political move.” (Making History, p.224)

The APA was thoroughly intimidated. Later in the same year (1974), after the APA’s vote, Gittings was interviewed by a historian of the same-gender sex movement, Jonathan Ned Katz. Gittings brags, “That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.” (Gay American History, by Jonathan Ned Katz, 1992, p.427. This interview was taped July 19, 1974). Anytime a scientific organization endorses same-gender sex, remember Gittings words: “They are running scared.” Same-gender sex activists have learned that intimidation works and they are never hesitant about using intimidation, psychological manipulation and deceit to reach the goals of their radical agenda.

Later in 1974, same-gender sex activists set their vicious sights on an individual member of the American Psychiatric Association, Dr. David Rueben, who was perhaps the best-known psychologist in the area of human sexuality at the time. Unbeknownst to Dr. Reuben, same-gender activists were lying in wait outside one of his lectures, and his physical safety was at risk. A same-gender sex activist and writer, Leigh Rutledge describes the attack in her book The Gay Decades, “June 16, A fist fight broke out at a Philadelphia playhouse when ten gay activists interrupt a lecture by Dr. David Rueben and denounce him as ‘a criminal’ for his views on male homosexuality. One policeman and a protestor are injured in the melee.” (The Gay Decades, by a man that engages in same-gender sex and writer, Leigh W. Rutledge, 1992, p.69) On that same page, this book tells us that, “The Centers for Disease Control estimate that gay or bisexual men account for as much as one-third of the syphilis cases in the U.S.”

Apparently, the American Psychological Association also got the message of intimidation, because they caved in to same-gender sex activists in 1975. In the book, The Long Road to Freedom the author writes, “January…The American Psychological Association and American Association for the Advancement of Science echoed the American Psychiatric Association in deeming homosexuality not an illness.” (The Long Road to Freedom, pp.115) The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) publishes the scientific journal Science, intimidation by same-gender sex activists was over for them. “Under pressure from gay scientific groups, Science magazine banned anti-gay bias in its staff hiring and advertisement.” (The Long Road to Freedom, pp.214)

Could the AAAS have been thinking about “pressure from gay scientific groups” when they published the poorly done studies by LeVay (“gay” brains) and Hamer (“gay” gene)? Two scientists who protested the LeVay study raise serious questions about AAAS, Science, and same-gender sex activists. “The appearance of LeVay’s paper highlights a serious issue in science public policy. Should such a study, based on a questionable design, with subjects drawn from a small, highly selected and non-representative sample, receive the kind of international attention and credibility that publication in a journal with the stature of Science lends?” (Science, 11-1-91, p.630)

If Dr. LeVay was not able to draw a proper sample and to fulfill other basic requirements for a scientific study, why did he conduct the study at all? If the study was not done for scientific reasons it must have been done for political reasons. Indeed, LeVay’s study was part of a public relations campaign, (the born “gay” hoax) to make the public believe that individuals were born “gay.” Science, a supposedly reputable publication, must have been intimidated to risk their own legitimacy by published such shoddy work. When unethical political movements dominate science, pushing science in unscientific directions, science suffers and leads society astray. One lesson from these facts is unmistakable: every time a scientific group repeats the same-gender sex movement’s propaganda, you may justifiably suspect that these groups are acting out of ignorance or intimidation.

Another lesson is that same-gender sex activists are so desperate to cover their deeply dysfunctional condition that they will stop at nothing to hide the facts from the public. Award-winning writer and same-gender sex activist Randy Shilts describes the denial among men that have sex with men, about their unhealthy lifestyles causing AIDS to be epidemic among them when he writes, “…the desperation of denial: how when something is so horrible you don’t want to believe it, you want to out it out of your mind and insist it isn’t true, and how you hate the person who says it is.” (And the Band Played On, 1988, p. 182) Desperate denial –this seems to be what drives the deceit, psychological manipulation, and intimidation of both scientific groups and the public.
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  • Jesferkicks 2012/08/23 22:29:47
    Jesferkicks
    +4
    Why is it that the government has to get involved with every friggin thing? This should be left up to the child, his/her parents, and the doc. Period.

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  • Greg 2012/12/04 22:15:51
    Greg
    +1
    Since there is no such thing as "gay children", this is a stupid topic.

    Here is what liberals can not accept: NO ONE IS BORN HOMOSEXUAL.

    It's called SCIENCE. No genetic connection exists. Never will, either, your fabricated Darwinism notwithstanding.

    Let's repeat this: homosexuality has ZERO biological connection, is NOT genetically determined anymore than being a rapist is or a murderer is. Got that?

    I didn't think so ...
  • stevegt... Greg 2012/12/05 17:19:04
  • Greg 2012/11/13 19:37:07
    Greg
    +1
    Note that in NONE of the documentation is there any reference to science or scientific studies on the causes of sexual orientation. That is because there is not any. Homosexuality is not a genetically-determined condition. Therefore, it is a learned/conditioned behavior. Period.

    Therefore, it can be addressed remedially. Period.

    There is a line that pro-abortion advocates use to support their "right" to murder an unborn child: "If you do not want one (an abortion), then do not get one."

    Well, I disagree with this, because abortion is murder. But here is another example of how liberals are hypocritical. If they do not want remedial counseling for homosexuality, then do not get it! But leave that available for those who do want it.

    Liberals do not want remedial counseling available because it then suggests that homosexuality is not genetically-determined. They do not want their lack of facts to get in the way of socially-re-engineering us with their anti-God/anti-Family agenda. This has nothing to do with what is in the best interests of the child, as it does not with abortion (obviously). It has everything to do with their agenda, and if a murdered baby or a gay adult is the result, then so be it!

    Note that in ALL cases, the end result of all liberal policies is the breakdown of the family and Christian authority in the home.
  • George Zook 2012/11/12 14:06:37
    George Zook
    +1
    I don't think the therapy will work ... but it shouldn't be illegal
  • Katherine George ... 2012/11/12 19:12:47
  • George ... Katherine 2012/11/14 18:36:09
    George Zook
    +1
    really??? the problem is to many people leaving the ranks of the GAYs and not being supported by society? first I have heard of it ... I will alert my friends

    but useless therapy still shouldn't be illegal
  • Katherine George ... 2012/11/14 20:54:26
    Katherine
    That's why I post this stuff. Many think it will promote interdependency and population control. Look up the Jaffe Memo also.

    This is one of the websites articles
    http://pfox.org/Equal-Marriag...

    As a former homosexual, I understand the gays’ dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it “marriage.” It’s about labeling others as “gay” as early as possible—witness the gay activist push into public schools—and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

    But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

    So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at what is happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, individual homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexu...
    That's why I post this stuff. Many think it will promote interdependency and population control. Look up the Jaffe Memo also.

    This is one of the websites articles
    http://pfox.org/Equal-Marriag...

    As a former homosexual, I understand the gays’ dread and absolute fear of heterosexuality. It goes beyond trying to normalize sodomy by calling it “marriage.” It’s about labeling others as “gay” as early as possible—witness the gay activist push into public schools—and then ensuring that they do not leave the group. As a homosexual, I was welcomed with open arms, especially when I joined the gay activist cause.

    But when I decided to leave homosexuality after seeing hundreds of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS, I was demonized and excoriated as an ex-gay traitor, which continues to this day. Now I see that same hate against the ex-gay community being targeted against African-Americans who refuse to equate sodomy with their skin color and against heterosexuals who will not recognize homosexual behavior as a civil right.

    So what does that mean for heterosexuals? Just look at what is happening. In addition to banning heterosexual therapy, individual homosexuals are filing lawsuits against heterosexuals by using gay rights laws to force mandatory recognition and approval of homosexual behavior. Businesses and individuals who do not approve are fired from their jobs, threatened, or publicly castigated – as witnessed by the attempted but failed nationwide Chick-fil-A boycott by homosexuals.
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  • xXxBloody~ValentinexXx 2012/11/09 16:25:43
    xXxBloody~ValentinexXx
    Gay isn't something that can "be cured" in my opinion.....seriously? it's a mindset and just the way they are...you don't try to surf the web on a calculator...doesn't work that way...
  • stevegt... xXxBloo... 2012/12/05 17:22:50 (edited)
  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2012/11/08 17:14:09
  • Katherine stevegt... 2012/11/08 18:04:16 (edited)
  • stevegt... Katherine 2012/11/09 16:09:47
  • Katherine stevegt... 2012/11/09 22:52:23
    Katherine
    Hard to research when the internet, thanks to Net Neutrality, provides only radical left wing websites, but yes. It passed.
  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2012/11/08 17:09:37
  • Navin Johnson (The Jerk) 2012/10/17 12:26:44
    Navin Johnson (The Jerk)
    why would they make that illegal if your child is having questions and thoughts? it's not about trying to change them,it's to discuss what they're feeling. i see some people want to make it so you can't take your own kid to therapy for that kind of thing,that's ridiculous.
  • stevegt... Navin J... 2012/12/05 17:25:10
  • Navin Johnson (The Jerk) 2012/10/17 12:22:47
    Navin Johnson (The Jerk)
    instead of calling children gay,i would consider them curious or expierementating. to young to decide if they're fully gay,most people have had gay thoughts but that dosen't make them gay.
  • Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA 2012/10/05 12:13:35
    Torchmanner ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    It is just another liberal fascist attack on the family values we cherish in this country.
    With an AIDS pandemic, you'd think that the government would be trying to stop this gay behavior.
    Liberals are turning this country in to a third world barbaric society.
  • Albert Rogers 2012/10/01 06:28:22
    Albert Rogers
    The legislature of any state, and that of the United States, is entirely correct in legislating against ANY outright medical quackery. There are two things wrong which make "curing" people of non-heterosexual preferences quackery. It may be that heterosexuality is normal for most of the population, but lack of it isn't a disease. No vector of such a disease has ever been found. Nor is there any evidence that the therapy is 'curative'. That part is just like the failure of 'correctional' institutions to 'correct' criminal behavior.
    Voting for a party that is contrary to your financial interests is stupid, but if it were a disease, at least 25% of American voters are suffering from it, and I do mean suffering. Indeed, the voting criteria that guide so many of the electorate into failing to recognise the folly of our dependence on fossil carbon may be ultimately as fatal as the failure to curb the world's procreational excess. But neither of these is a disease either.
  • Sofahead 2012/09/09 17:42:58 (edited)
    Sofahead
    +2
    "Lieu introduced legislation earlier this year that would ban therapy for minors aimed at changing one's sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual – "regardless of the willingness of a patient" or a "patient's parent'.

    Isn't this suppose to be a country about self determination - Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
  • Sunnydaydreamer 2012/09/02 04:07:56
  • Navin J... Sunnyda... 2012/12/05 17:46:27
    Navin Johnson (The Jerk)
    i know,tell me about it :/
  • Alexander T Steward 2012/08/31 20:23:45
  • MeiLin Alexand... 2012/09/18 23:02:18
    MeiLin
    I HEAR YOU!!!! WTF!
  • Dan5280 2012/08/31 14:55:16
    Dan5280
    This is another example of government knows what is best for the people. I see people now leaving California just to see a psychologist. Psychologist's than complain client list getting smaller. Government than makes law all children must see psychologist before entering public schools starting at 1st grade than 8th grade.With one last visit the last week of 12th grade. Than as an adult you look for a psychologist can't find one they all only see children now.
  • Jesferkicks 2012/08/23 22:29:47
    Jesferkicks
    +4
    Why is it that the government has to get involved with every friggin thing? This should be left up to the child, his/her parents, and the doc. Period.
  • Navin J... Jesferk... 2012/12/05 17:47:26
    Navin Johnson (The Jerk)
    +2
    because people demand they get involved. the government should say sorry...we have bigger fish to fry
  • rereblue 2012/08/17 01:58:54
    rereblue
    +3
    Good, it is more than likely damaging to a teenage-and-younger than it is helpful. There is no solid proof that it actually works, rather it just stops any sort of sexual attraction at all to anyone, and those who claim to be "changed" were more often bisexual or curious and adopt a heterosexual lifestyle.

    Please don't bother arguing with me.
  • TheTailor 2012/08/13 18:22:52
    TheTailor
    +1
    Another sickening example of how self proclaimed "progressives" attempt to usurp all authority to suit their perverted want of control.
  • rocker1446 2012/08/13 16:48:31
    rocker1446
    +1
    Again, the government stepping in where they shouldn't be.
  • Jayne 2012/08/13 16:12:19
    Jayne
    +3
    It's not a choice and a persons seuality can not be changed. It's who and what they are. Get over it!
  • Tattoo ... Jayne 2012/10/12 04:14:18
    Tattoo Nana
    +3
    My belief is that those who need changing are the homophobics in the world, LOL. Not funny actually, but more practical and more likely to solve the "problem". People are born either straight or Gay, can't change it.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/08/13 13:38:53
    Rusty Shackleford
    +2
    Why don't they just pass a law saying that cancer is not a disease, disorder, illness, deficiency, or shortcoming?
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/13 12:59:22
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +4
    When you put it all together, it's about gay recruitment.
  • Alexand... Temlako... 2012/08/31 20:26:46
  • Theresa 2012/08/13 12:48:23
    Theresa
    +3
    You do know this is the first attempt to legislate medical treatment? Before these sorts of discussions would be done in a clinical setting.
  • MichaelJ 2012/08/13 11:07:12
    MichaelJ
    +3
    I wouldn't be for anything that legislates treatment by an accreditted therapist. Human behavior is complex and vary's greatly between individuals. That is why we have therapsits in the first place. If we were all alike there wouldn't be any.
  • Mike 2012/08/13 11:04:16
    Mike
    +2
    On the other hand, is it OK to try to turn “straight” children “gay?”
  • Katherine Mike 2012/08/13 11:10:44
    Katherine
    +6
    According to the government and public education, yes.
  • TheTailor Katherine 2012/08/13 18:24:53
    TheTailor
    +1
    And that's disgusting.

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