Two Obamacare Questions
Leasheryn/Lady Willpower
2012/07/09 01:29:24
Two ObamaScare Questions:
1) If parents have to pay for their minor children's healthcare until the age of 26, who pays for the minor children's minor children if they have them before the age of 26?
2) Now that there is no incentive for minor children to get a job that enables them to carry their own healthcare until the age of 26, what happens when those minor children still fail to find employment and purchase a healthcare policy by the time they reach their majority at age 26? Will the government feel sorry for them and raise the age to 32?
Under Obamacare, the middle class tax payer will now have to pay for their own healthcare, the healthcare of their minor children until age 26, all the indigent who are at or beneath the poverty level and don't pay taxes, the elderly who are on a fixed income, depend upon Social Security as their only source of income and don't pay taxes, illegal aliens who get paid under the table or are on welfare and don't pay taxes in the US and The President, The President's Administration and Members of Congress.
The cost of healthcare for the average middle class American working family is somewhere in the range of $13,000 annually. The tax penalty for anyone who refuses to purchase health insurance is $2,000 annually. In other words, the average middle class American who is paying their fair share of taxes is screwed.
It seems funny that people who support Obama's Health Care scam seem to believe they will be better off. Well....okay...if that's what you want to believe...I guess...whatever...have fun...with that...
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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/09 01:35:29
+18Some of the people who voted for this, didn't even know the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Coddling our children and not allowing them to understand failure while they are young and it is far easeir to overcome is NOT doing them any favors. The very idea of calling a 26 year old a child is laughable. Continues the school lessons of "you are NOT to be held responsible".
any Child under my policy .. if they have children of their own .. (or are even pregnant) .. there's absolutely NO Coverage for these Grandchildren (or the children's pregnancy) at all .. (it is specifically excluded .. that happened over 2 decades ago .. ). The only way the Grandchildren would be covered is IF I went to court and obtained LEGAL CUSTODY and became .. legally the Grandchildren's PARENT .. (then I'll have to pay the extra premium and they would be covered)
2. GOOD GRIEF .. don't even want to think of that horror .. since by now raising the age of dependency to 26 .. (without Requiring Schooling, Trade Training) .. this has resulted in a more than nine-fold increase in Premiums alone (before the increases in Deductibles/co-pays/uncovered costs are factored in .. and there's also less covered services too). In fact .. I can definitely state I anticipate that there's going to be cafeteria style 'buffet' offerings of coverages .. to pick and choose what diseases you want covered under the plan and that will be the basis for your health insurance premium and coverage as a result of this HORROR called Obamacare ..
There was NOTHING good about this .. nothing at all .. it was MEANT to break our backs .. increase our ...
any Child under my policy .. if they have children of their own .. (or are even pregnant) .. there's absolutely NO Coverage for these Grandchildren (or the children's pregnancy) at all .. (it is specifically excluded .. that happened over 2 decades ago .. ). The only way the Grandchildren would be covered is IF I went to court and obtained LEGAL CUSTODY and became .. legally the Grandchildren's PARENT .. (then I'll have to pay the extra premium and they would be covered)
2. GOOD GRIEF .. don't even want to think of that horror .. since by now raising the age of dependency to 26 .. (without Requiring Schooling, Trade Training) .. this has resulted in a more than nine-fold increase in Premiums alone (before the increases in Deductibles/co-pays/uncovered costs are factored in .. and there's also less covered services too). In fact .. I can definitely state I anticipate that there's going to be cafeteria style 'buffet' offerings of coverages .. to pick and choose what diseases you want covered under the plan and that will be the basis for your health insurance premium and coverage as a result of this HORROR called Obamacare ..
There was NOTHING good about this .. nothing at all .. it was MEANT to break our backs .. increase our costs .. and definitely lower the standard of care ..
(and yes, I get projections of costs for near term fiscal years as well .. so I can see the probable changes coming along .. and everything is RISING in what any Consumer will have to pay out of pocket)
1- Dependent children of "Adult Children" covered under adult parents Family Plan.
I thought, gee, Obama surely saw to them being covered as well. I was wrong. Adult children, whether married or single can be covered on their parents plan, but NOT the spouse or children of that adult child. As I see it, with the adult child not required to live at home and can be married plus have children. Who will be paying for the rent and coverage of that adult child's children? Should we concerned that we may be raising a new generation of Welfare recipients? I think yes. One more thing to consider. It has been found that including you Adult Child on your family Plan will add $3,250 to your insurance bill in 2013 and $3,500 in 2014. How likely are parents to do that and opt to pay the $2,000 fine instead?
2-For those Adult children who rise past the age of 26 can then receive Medicaid if their income is below 133% of the poverty level ($14,856 for a single person, $20,123 for 2, $25,389 for 3) or their employer supplies coverage. If your insurer doesn't use the prescribed percentage for Health Costs, the employer or insured will receive a "Rebate". That rebate will be ta...
1- Dependent children of "Adult Children" covered under adult parents Family Plan.
I thought, gee, Obama surely saw to them being covered as well. I was wrong. Adult children, whether married or single can be covered on their parents plan, but NOT the spouse or children of that adult child. As I see it, with the adult child not required to live at home and can be married plus have children. Who will be paying for the rent and coverage of that adult child's children? Should we concerned that we may be raising a new generation of Welfare recipients? I think yes. One more thing to consider. It has been found that including you Adult Child on your family Plan will add $3,250 to your insurance bill in 2013 and $3,500 in 2014. How likely are parents to do that and opt to pay the $2,000 fine instead?
2-For those Adult children who rise past the age of 26 can then receive Medicaid if their income is below 133% of the poverty level ($14,856 for a single person, $20,123 for 2, $25,389 for 3) or their employer supplies coverage. If your insurer doesn't use the prescribed percentage for Health Costs, the employer or insured will receive a "Rebate". That rebate will be taxable as income, just like the Cash for Clunkers money anyone who fell for that is taxable. There are 7 new taxes that will hit the Middle Class as Obie Care unfolds. Or, they can pay the $2,000 penalty and get FREE coverage (using Free is, of course me being factious.
The answers to the stupid questions you ask are in the ACA bill. Look it up.
Why do you want TENS of thousands of your fellow Americans to continue to die for lack of healthcare each and EVERY year? Why do you hate Americans so much?
If you believe there are people in America who are dying from lack of healthcare, you are buying into the "Fear Factor" that is being instilled in you by a worthless party who has done nothing but seek to destroy the weak-minded by brainwashing them with rhetoric.
It is laughable that you are weak enough to buy into THAT crap. Oh please. Don't tell me about Hating America. Obama hates America and wants you to live in fear so you will be dependent upon him and the government for all you have.
Go run and hide under your bed. There's a big bad monster hiding in your closet...and his name's Obama.
"lack of health insurance kills TENS of THOUSANDS of Americans per year" ?
Perhaps that would be your next step to convince those of us who find your statement patently false!
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009...
Notice how old that is--this is NOT breaking news.
NO ONE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO REQUIRES, SEEKS OR WANTS MEDICAL CARE AND GETS THEIR BUTTS TO THE ER. ETC IS EVER, EVER,EVER REFUSED TREATMENT!
Please, that drivel is beneath anyone, even you, with a smidgeon of common sense.
Do you really believe that propaganda you spew? Get over yourself!
Yes, I believe facts. Why don't y0ou?
Why do you hate Americans? Why do you want so many of them dead?
Just how is it you fantasize that anyone needing or wanting care in America can get it? Get real. Look up actual facts. Learn real stuff. If you can.
It is Obamacare which will deny healthcare to the people who require it the most. If you believe otherwise, you are falling in with his lies.
Hippocratic Oath
I swear by Apollo the physician, and Asclepius, and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses as my witnesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this contract:
To hold him who taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents, to be a partner in life with him, and to fulfill his needs when required; to look upon his offspring as equals to my own siblings, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or contract; and that by the set rules, lectures, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to students bound by this contract and having sworn this Oath to the law of medicine, but to no others.
I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients accordin...
It is Obamacare which will deny healthcare to the people who require it the most. If you believe otherwise, you are falling in with his lies.
Hippocratic Oath
I swear by Apollo the physician, and Asclepius, and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses as my witnesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this contract:
To hold him who taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents, to be a partner in life with him, and to fulfill his needs when required; to look upon his offspring as equals to my own siblings, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or contract; and that by the set rules, lectures, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to students bound by this contract and having sworn this Oath to the law of medicine, but to no others.
I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgement, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
In purity and according to divine law will I carry out my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, even upon those suffering from stones, but I will leave this to those who are trained in this craft.
Into whatever homes I go, I will enter them for the benefit of the sick, avoiding any voluntary act of impropriety or corruption, including the seduction of women or men, whether they are free men or slaves.
Whatever I see or hear in the lives of my patients, whether in connection with my professional practice or not, which ought not to be spoken of outside, I will keep secret, as considering all such things to be private.
So long as I maintain this Oath faithfully and without corruption, may it be granted to me to partake of life fully and the practice of my art, gaining the respect of all men for all time. However, should I transgress this Oath and violate it, may the opposite be my fate.
You claim it is FACT...prove it!
NOT REPEALING OBAMACARE will kill people by denying them the treatment they can get in hospitals or ERs anywhere in America right this very minute.
OBAMACARE will deny treatment to Americans by the 20,000 IRS non-medical personell hired by Obama to decide who gets care and who doesn't...depending, of course on how it affects the bottom line!!
That is OBAMACARE!
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009...
FYI, your last paragraph is complete crap promoted without ANY proof by Obamacare-haters (who are therefore also American-haters, since they never offer an effective replacement, much less one that could pass). You need to ask yourself why you let yourself be duped by American-haters.
Why is it you oppose "Obamacare" on monetary grounds, when it is ABSOLUTELY CRITICALLY needed in order to avoid TENS of THOUSANDS of deaths PER YEAR? In other words, it is at least as critical as Defense spending. In what world is it that you think it's OK to kill Obamacare so that the Republicans may kill more Americans?
No, I WILL NOT let this go, not until a Republican explains to my why it is OK to kill so many.
That is a totally false statement and if you don't know that, you are not keeping up with what is obvious to the "TENS OF THOUSANDS" of illegal immigrants who take advantage of it every day across America!!
You are making totally false statements without any documentation whatsoever!
Reform of health care was first proposed because of the high cost of health care and not the lack of health care! Of course this high cost of health care was because we were treating all of those who REFUSED to buy health care for everything from 52" TVs, to fancy cars, to McMansions etc......... Show me a welfare/poor family that does not have a TV or a car. Most of them have those items and cell phones as well!
There are very few exceptions!!!
Have a nice day!