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The adult stage of "traitorous americanus" generally are upscale social parasites


Traitorous Teachers, Union Whiners, and Democratic Fleebaggers

By Jim O'Neill Friday, February 25, 2011

“U.S. patriotism is inseparable from imperial warfare and white
supremacy. U.S. flags are the emblem of the invading war machine in
Iraq today. They are the emblem of the occupying power. The only true
heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military.”
Nicholas DeGenova Columbia University professor



“This is not a video game. This is not a movie. This is not like
anything you’ve ever encountered in your life before. The world is
changing, and because of that we must change as well. Darkness is
growing. But…shadows can only grow darker as the sun grows lighter.”
Glenn Beck



“And
I looked, and rose up, and said to the nobles, and to the rulers, and
to the rest of the people, Be not afraid…remember the LORD…and fight for
your brothers, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your
houses.”
—Nehemiah 4:14



Earlier this week Anthony Maschek, a Columbia freshman and former
Army staff sergeant, who was shot 9 times while fighting for America in
northern Iraq was hissed, booed, heckled and laughed at when he tried to
address his fellow students at Columbia University in NYC.



I wanted to write about the incident immediately upon hearing about
it, but thought it best to let it lay for awhile before addressing the
subject—otherwise my anger might have detracted from my “journalistic
detachment.” As you’ll see, I’m quite calm now. (Link)



Mr. Maschek is a true hero, and a class act who will not stoop to the
level of his detractors. I’m pretty much a class act myself, but I
have a few years on Maschek, and I have no problem at all in stooping to
the level of his detractors. In fact, they have no idea just how low I
will stoop to defend myself, my family, and my country—and I have no
doubt whatsoever that all three are currently under a widespread, well
thought out, and well-planned systematic attack. (Link)



The attack is so widespread that it’s, of course, hard to choose
where to begin any discussion of it, but I suppose that the incident at
Columbia University, and the teacher’s strike in Wisconsin, make
teaching as good a place to start as any. (Link)



The “gutless wonders” that heckled Maschek did not come from a
vacuum, they come from adult “gutless wonders”—who want their larval
stage “traitorous americanus” trained in the same anti-American,
anti-capitalist, anti-freedom indoctrination that they went through.
They want them raised to be the same arrogant, atheistic a—holes as mom
and pop—the ACORN doesn’t fall far from the tree, and all that.



The adult stage of “traitorous americanus” generally are upscale
social parasites who have grown rich by stealing from “we the people”
via crony capitalism, and various ways of gaming the system, while
working to destroy America. They have taken the phrase “biting the hand
that feeds you” to new depths. Incredibly, they are proud of their
back-stabbing, traitorous lifestyle, and are self-righteously smug about
it all. (Link)



One can trace Columbia’s leftist slant to its infestation by Marxist
professors from the German “Frankfurt School” in the 1930s - a “slant”
perhaps most famously epitomized by the Cloward/Piven Strategy drawn up
by two of Columbia’s professors in the 1960s. These Columbia teachers
drew up their strategy as a way to destroy America as a free republic.
Their fellow traitors across America think that the Cloward/Piven
Strategy is just swell.



It is unfair however, to single out Columbia University for censure,
as it is hardly alone in promulgating political correctness, identity
politics, multiculturalism, et al. (multiculturalism is a doctrine so
spurious, destructive, and putrid that even the spineless political
elites of Europe are turning their backs on it). (Link) (Link)



The adult “traitorous americanus” were originally indoctrinated by
“teachers” who passed on their own perverted anti-American ideology to
their students. The same sort of “teachers” who are vociferously
whining about the fact that the state of Wisconsin wants them to
pony-up, and help the non-union taxpayers out. (Link)



The teachers we see marching in Madison are the kind of teachers who
hold up the late Far Left Chicago thug Saul Alinsky as an icon. The
same Alinsky that Secretary of State Clinton idolized in her youth (she
may still have an Alinsky poster tacked to her bedroom wall for all I
know). The same Alinsky that Columbia alumni Barack Hussein Obama used
as a template for his “organizing” in Chicago (and elsewhere). (Link)



The same Alinsky that learned much of his extortion-style techniques
from the Chicago mob. The same Alinsky that formed what he named the
country’s first “#####-in,” and the country’s first “fart-in”—ha, ha.
(Link)



After carefully reading Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals” (which
Alinsky dedicated to Lucifer) I wrote an article about it a couple of
years ago, in which I summed up his “philosophy.”



“So if we connect the dots in Alinsky’s portrait of the uber mensch,
the ideal revolutionary/organizer, what do we see? A nihilistic
schizophrenic, with a monumental ego (who is NOT, however, vaguely, or
remotely egotistical), who uses the wrong reasons, irrationality, and
any means necessary to reach a nonexistent goal. People buy this
garbage? You bet—and they passionately promote this dangerous
insanity.” (Link)



Alinsky was a traitorous, infantile ideologue who was, and is,
revered by other traitorous, infantile ideologues. His evil, inane,
insane doctrines are promulgated by his followers which include the National Education Association (NEA)—the huge teacher’s union (the largest in the country).



Do you have any idea of what a lousy job America’s “teachers” do
educating our children? The more money “we the people” pour into the US
educational system, the dumber our kids seem to get. (Link)



There’s an eighth grade civics test from 1954 that can be accessed on
the Internet. It asks such questions as “Tell the provisions of each
of the amendments,” and “Write the Preamble to the Constitution.” My
daughter tells me that the Bill of Rights was mentioned briefly in
passing one day in her school—that was the extent of her schooling in
America’s founding principles. You call THAT an education? (Link)



I’m of an age where I can vouch for the fact that “back in the day”
we were taught American civics in school, and we were taught to be proud
of America, and the fact that we were Americans. Nowadays, more often
than not the kids are taught to be, at best, neutral about the United
States, and at worst ashamed of it. No, I take that last bit back—at
worst they’re taught to hate America. (Link)



Not content with dumbing down America’s children, many of our
“teachers” (some, no fountains of knowledge themselves) have promoted
anti-American propaganda, globalism, an entitlement mentality, and other
NWO, Marxist, Fascist crapola—more indoctrination than education.



I understand that there are more than just the “teacher’s” union
involved in the protests in Wisconsin, and that the numbnuts marching in
Madison are not representative of many, or even most union members.
It’s the union leaders and the"Marching Moron Brigade” that I find
detestable. (Link)



Their idea of a “debate” is apparently shouting “Fox lies, Fox lies,
Fox lies,” or some other clever. catchy meme. Speaking of catchy
chants, I’ve got one for them—“HEY, HEY, HO, HO, GREEDY UNIONS GOTTA
GO!” (Link)



And then there’s the runaway Democratic Representatives, or as Michelle Malkin
calls them the “fleebaggers”—an apropos term as the fleebaggers, like
their post-Civil War carpetbagger namesakes, are avaricious, sneaky, and
duplicitous.



It makes sense that both the Wisconsin and Indiana Democratic
fleebaggers should have fled to Illinois—perhaps the most corrupt,
liberal, and fiscally irresponsible state in the union (and that, by
God, is saying something). I imagine that all the fleebaggers are
enjoying their paid vacations, plotting with their cohorts on how best
to avoid work and still get paid. (Link)



I’m glad I waited until after I had calmed down before writing this
article, I don’t like writing when I’m angry, heck I don’t like the
flash-bulb explosion of anger, period. A nice slow-burning “fire in the
belly” will do just fine.



Laus Deo.



P.S. File under “a glimmer of sunshine:” The five Commissioners of
Carroll County, Maryland voted to abolish their “Office of
Sustainability” (as in “sustainable development”). They also “voted
unanimously to drop out of the UN’s International Council for Local
Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI). They are the first governmental
organization to do so.” (Link)



Bravo to the Commissioners of Carroll County! I pray this catches on
like wild-fire. (Proof positive that the November elections changed
the political scenery of America, top to bottom). (Link)

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  • Red Branch 2011/03/05 04:35:03
    Red Branch
    The anti-American types, usually Communists, knew that to effect change, that they would need to gain control of the universities esspecially the colleges of education and political science or history. This way they could control the minds of the young who would become teachers and govt officials.

    Those that wished to destroy western civilization knew that the US must be toppled first. I believe that the Frankfurt School came to the US in 1934. That means that before that time they had identified their hate for the US. The Fabian Society out of the London School of Economics was thriving in the 1880 and like the the other group also sent members over here to effect change.

    The purpose of this comment is to show the animosity towards the US before the end of the 19th cy. This predates most of the so-called actions that the liberals love to blame on the US.

    Liberals love to hate. Libs exist to hate.
  • Ishmael 2011/02/27 07:09:04
    Ishmael
    John Trudell, Look At Us:


    While you seek material advantage,
    The sound of flowers dying,
    Carry messages through the wind,
    Trying to tell you about balance and your safety.
  • apachehellfire65 2011/02/27 03:28:59
    apachehellfire65
    +2
    they would have to be parasites to be union memebers! all unions ever do is feed off other things!
  • Ishmael apacheh... 2011/02/27 07:20:28
    Ishmael
    So, which side are YOU on?

  • apacheh... Ishmael 2011/02/27 12:29:21
    apachehellfire65
    +2
    i stand with gov walker. all unions need to be disbanded.
  • Ishmael apacheh... 2011/02/27 20:46:07
    Ishmael
    Then WHO will protect you when your Corporate Masters decide to take health insurance away to fatten their wallets? Or abolish Child Labor Laws so they can hire kids to do your job? Or abolish the 40-hour week so they can have you work longer for less money? Or just fire you so they can hire someone younger for less money? ALL those things and more were brought to you through the struggles of UNIONS and the rights of workers to organize for better working conditions. Apparently, to you, Workers HAVE no Rights. Rights are only for the Wealthy and your Masters. All that makes you is a Slave. What you're seeing in Madison, Tunis, Cairo, Bahrain, Libya, Jordan and elsewhere is people rising up AGAINST what you believe and in FAVOR of Human Dignity.

  • apacheh... Ishmael 2011/02/27 21:40:38
    apachehellfire65
    +1
    I HAVE NO WORRY'S BECAUSE

    1, if they take my insurance i would just pay cash.

    2,and i don't have to worry about the rest because i retired at 40, been retired for 5 years,and don't have to worry about the kids because they don't work and won't need to.

    so they will never have to deal with the corrupt a**holes
  • Ishmael apacheh... 2011/02/27 21:46:24
    Ishmael
    And how long will that fortune last when the Fed's inflationary printing of money catches up to you?
  • apacheh... Ishmael 2011/02/27 21:48:49
    apachehellfire65
    +1
    i think it will go awhile
  • Ishmael apacheh... 2011/02/27 22:10:00 (edited)
    Ishmael
    Well, they CALL it Democracy.



    Modern Slavers in drag as Champions of Freedom
  • tea for... Ishmael 2011/03/06 12:51:38
    tea for you
    in other words that jerk says i got mine so screw you . not much of a man
  • imotley Ishmael 2011/03/04 01:05:09
    imotley
    +1
    and who is to guard against the Union bosses....go ahead and stand on that picket line, don't get paid, or get a small stipend from the Union. The Union bosses aren't missing a pay check...they look out for themselves and the Democratic Party, they are no different than the Corporate Masters you complain about. If you think they are looking after the workers you are sadly mistaken....they see union dues that they spend as they want and without regard to what the workers want. Unions comprise about 12% of the American workers and their numbers are dropping....
  • tea for... imotley 2011/03/06 12:56:03
    tea for you
    do you listen to what you say? first Union bosses are elected by the members the union negotiates contracts they don't force contracts . Unions are formed because of corporation bosses , Unions make sure Americans rights are protected from predators . nothing could be more American . the Tea Party could learn from unions what being American is
  • imotley tea for... 2011/03/06 17:55:07 (edited)
    imotley
    Yes I know what I said. I compared Union Bosses to the Corporate CEOs that the left seems to despise. The comparison is that both are way overpaid and don't care about those beneath them. Unions make sure they get Union rights, not American rights. The Unions could learn from the tea party members just what being an American is.... Public unions have outlived their time... One thing is obvious, the Unions care nothing for the taxpayers.
  • tea for... imotley 2011/03/06 18:03:07
    tea for you
    union members are tax payers , the Tea party are many things stupid being one of them
  • imotley tea for... 2011/03/06 18:08:37
    imotley
    Union members are taxpayers, and as such should care that the States and Country are broke, instead of demanding more and more from all taxpayers... since 12% of the workforce is Union...I guess that means they have no problem with the other 88% subsidizing them. .... Tea Party - stupid?... the same could be said about Unions, and the Democratic party
  • tea for... imotley 2011/03/06 22:33:35
    tea for you
    you must hate the New congress for giving up 800 billion in tax dollars to they're favorite pals and extending unfunded tax cut to the wealthy
  • imotley tea for... 2011/03/07 00:46:40
    imotley
    I am not a fan of Congress...I think the House is trying to do what they were elected to do...I don't know what in the heck the Senate is trying to do, and I am not sure they do either.....
  • Arch Stanton 2011/02/27 00:52:35
    Arch Stanton
    +1
    Mommy!!!!!! Teachers and Unions were mean to me again. Bwaaaaaa....

    mommy teachers unions bwaaaaaa
  • Carol 2011/02/26 22:16:48
    Carol
    The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions
    Feb. 25 2011 - 11:56 am | 117,688 views | 10 recommendations | 329 comments
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    Via tax.com

    How can this be possible?

    Simple. The pension plan is the direct result of deferred compensation- money that employees would have been paid as cash salary but choose, instead, to have placed in the state operated pension fund where the money can be professionally invested (at a lower cost of management) for the future.

    Many of us are familiar with the concept of deferred compensation from reading about the latest multi-million ...



























    The Wisconsin Lie Exposed – Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions
    Feb. 25 2011 - 11:56 am | 117,688 views | 10 recommendations | 329 comments
    Pulitzer Prize winning tax reporter, David Cay Johnston, has written a brilliant piece for tax.com exposing the truth about who really pays for the pension and benefits for public employees in Wisconsin.

    Gov. Scott Walker says he wants state workers covered by collective bargaining agreements to “contribute more” to their pension and health insurance plans. Accepting Gov. Walker’ s assertions as fact, and failing to check, creates the impression that somehow the workers are getting something extra, a gift from taxpayers. They are not. Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin’ s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    Via tax.com

    How can this be possible?

    Simple. The pension plan is the direct result of deferred compensation- money that employees would have been paid as cash salary but choose, instead, to have placed in the state operated pension fund where the money can be professionally invested (at a lower cost of management) for the future.

    Many of us are familiar with the concept of deferred compensation from reading about the latest multi-million dollar deal with some professional athlete. As a means of allowing their ball club to have enough money to operate, lowering their own tax obligations and for other benefits, ball players often defer payment of money they are to be paid to a later date. In the meantime, that money is invested for the ball player’s benefit and then paid over at the time and in the manner agreed to in the contract between the parties.

    Does anyone believe that, in the case of the ball player, the deferred money belongs to the club owner rather than the ball player? Is the owner simply providing this money to the athlete as some sort of gift? Of course not. The money is salary to be paid to the ball player, deferred for receipt at a later date.

    A review of the state’s collective bargaining agreements – many of which are available for review at the Wisconsin Office of State Employees web site - bears out that it is no different for state employees. The numbers are just lower.

    Check out section 13 of the Wisconsin Association of State Prosecutors collective bargaining agreement – “For the duration of this Agreement, the Employer will contribute on behalf of the employee five percent (5%) of the employee’s earnings paid by the State. ”

    Johnston goes on to point out that Governor Walker has gotten away with this false narrative because journalists have failed to look closely at how employee pension plans work and have simply accepted the Governor’s word for it. Because of this, those who wish the unions ill have been able to seize on that narrative to score points by running ads and spreading the word that state employees pay next to nothing for their pensions and that it is all a big taxpayer give-away.

    If it is true that pension and benefit money is money that already belongs to state workers, you might ask why state employees would not just take the cash as direct compensation and do their own investing for their retirement through their own individual retirement plans.

    Again, simple.

    Mr. Johnston continues-

    Expecting individuals to be experts at investing their retirement money in defined contribution plans — instead of pooling the money so professional investors can manage the money as is done in defined benefit plans — is not sound economics. The concept, at its most basic, is buying wholesale instead of retail. Wholesale is cheaper for the buyers. That is, it saves taxpayers money. The Wisconsin State Investment Board manages about $74.5 billion for an all-in cost of $224 million. That is a cost of about 30-cents per $100, which is good but not great. However it is far less than many defined contribution plans, where costs are often $1 or more per $100.”

    If the Wisconsin governor and state legislature were to be honest, they would correctly frame this issue. They are not, in fact, asking state employees to make a larger contribution to their pension and benefits programs as that would not be possible- the employees are already paying 100% of the contributions.

    What they are actually asking is that the employees take a pay cut.

    That may or may not be an appropriate request depending on your point of view – but the argument that the taxpayers are providing state workers with some gift is as false as the argument that state workers are paid better than employees with comparable education and skills in private industry.

    Maybe state workers need to take pay cut along with so many of their fellow Americans. But let’s, at the least, recognize this sacrifice for what it is rather than pretending they’ve been getting away with some sweet deal that now must be brought to an end.

    UPDATE: Since this post was published earlier today, many commenters have made the point that, while it is true that it is state employees’ own money that funds the pension plan, when the pension plan comes up short it is up to the taxpayer to make up the difference.

    There is some truth in this – but not as much as many seem to think. Because the pension plan is a defined benefit plan – requiring the state to pay the agreed benefit for however long the employee may live in retirement- if the employee lives longer than the actuarial plan anticipated, the taxpayer is on the hook for the pay-outs during the longer life.
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  • imotley Carol 2011/03/04 01:07:08
    imotley
    and where does the money to pay their salaries come from?
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/04 16:28:40
    Carol
    Did you want them not to be paid?
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/04 21:59:07
    imotley
    I do want them paid absolutely... I think they should be able to negotiate their wages and they are more than entitled to a fair wage. However, when it comes to benefits...those have become unsustainable.. they need to pay more toward their health care and retirement than they do now... Reasonable benefits are the key...
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/04 22:26:04
    Carol
    Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.

    Thus, state workers are not being asked to simply "contribute more" to Wisconsin' s retirement system (or as the argument goes, "pay their fair share" of retirement costs as do employees in Wisconsin' s private sector who still have pensions and health insurance). They are being asked to accept a cut in their salaries so that the state of Wisconsin can use the money to fill the hole left by tax cuts and reduced audits of corporations in Wisconsin.

    The labor agreements show that the pension plan money is part of the total negotiated compensation. The key phrase, in those agreements I read (emphasis added), is: "The Employer shall contribute on behalf of the employee." This shows that this is just divvying up the total compensation package, so much for cash wages, so much for paid vacations, so much for retirement, etc.

    The collective bargaining agreements for prosecutors, cops and scientists are all on-line.
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/05 00:46:54
    imotley
    So you are saying that in Wisconsin the state workers contribute 100% to their pension plans and 100% to their health care plan.... that the state contributes nothing toward their pensions and health care..... now who is trying to pull the wool over whose eyes....
    and where does the money come from to do this? "The Employer shall contribute on behalf of the employee." This shows that this is just divvying up the total compensation package, so much for cash wages, so much for paid vacations, so much for retirement, etc."
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/05 01:25:21
    Carol
    The fact is that all of the money going into these plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the state workers. The fact is that the state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions. Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact.
  • Carol Carol 2011/03/05 01:29:35
    Carol
    One correct way to describe this is that the governor "wants to further reduce the cash wages that state workers currently take home in their paychecks." Most state workers already divert 5 percent of their cash wages to the pension plan, an official state website shows.

    Gov. Walker says that he wants them to "contribute more" via deductions from their paychecks. But since the workers already contribute 100 percent of the money going to the pension plan the real issue is changing the accounting for this to reduce cash wages.

    Once the state has settled on the compensation package for its workers then how the cash flows is merely accounting for how the costs are divvied up. If the workers got higher cash pay and diverted all of the pension contributions from their pay it would be the same amount compared to having the state pay directly into the pension funds.

    By falsely describing the situation the governor has sought to create the issue as one of the workers getting a favor. The Club for Growth, in broadcast ads, blatantly lies by saying "state workers haven't had to sacrifice. They pay next to nothing for their pensions."
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/05 07:50:57
    imotley
    and it is an indisputable fact that every penny of that compensation package comes out of the taxpayers pocket, a fact that you don't seem to want to acknowledge. The State is broke, the Country is broke. With Public Unions demanding more and more....where is the money coming from?
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/05 21:19:56 (edited)
    Carol
    It is more like not to have more taken away.
    So do you want to not have schools or pay people to work in them? Where do you think we will be without an educated base. What will happen to our future, our children. Would you like the US to be like Mexico?
    Let us begin with this simple, indisputable truth: public employees' unions don't get a single red cent from taxpayers. And they aren't a mechanism to “force” working people to support Democrats – that's completely illegal.

    Public sector workers are employed by the government, but they are private citizens. Once a private citizen earns a dollar from the sweat of his or her brow, it no longer belongs to his or her employer. In the case of public workers, it is no longer a “taxpayer dollar”; it is a dollar held privately by an American citizen. Public sector unions are financed through the dues paid by these private citizens, who elected to be part of a union – not a single taxpayer dollar is involved, and no worker is forced to join a union against his or her wishes. No worker in the United States is required to give one red cent to support a political cause he or she doesn't agree with.
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/06 12:27:14
    imotley
    I know that the Unions don't get tax money... however they negotiate for tax payer money after donating millions into the Democratic coffers...this puts them on both sides of the table and the taxpayer is the loser.
    I have stated I want teachers paid..that is not the issue. A good salary is not the issue.... unsustainable benefits are the issue...and the collective bargaining that is literally blackmail...with teachers saying if I don't get my way and all that I want, I will strike and using the students as pawns. That is wrong. Yes, I agree an individual taxpayer is not required to support a political cause....however, when Unions spend millions - Union dues - whether their members agree or not -is entirely different...and is the same as all those "evil" corporations giving millions to politicians that we see so many complain about.
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/06 12:47:11
    Carol
    Let me understand this. Benefits which are paid for by the teachers salaries are an issue for you. Salaries and benefits in the private sector are not. Bargaining for salaries and benefits are only a problem for you if it is a teacher, who works hard for not very much money compared to what they could make in the private sector. Unions giving to politicians is evil but corporations giving to politicians is not. Corporations are about their bottom line and unions are about their people. So I guess that is a level playing ground for you.
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/06 18:02:55 (edited)
    imotley
    I said private sector unions don't bother me because we aren't talking about tax payer dollars. I also said I didn't have a problem with teachers negotiating their wages.... the problem I have is the benefits, health care and retirement. They are on an unsustainable level that the public unions don't seem to recognize... the states are broke, the Country is broke... I don't want either done away with, but I do want them paying a much larger share.... My comparison of Union bosses and Corporate CEOs is that both are overpaid and could care less about those beneath them. You strike and you lose your salary (unless you do like Wisconsin, lie, call in sick and get fake doctors notes), the union may pay you a stipend. Tell me...do the Union bosses still draw their salaries...they aren't losing anything, you are...and usually what you get takes years to make up for what you lose during strikes. I want fairness.... I grew up in a family that was very much pro-union....I have seen both sides, and I don't like the Union's side.
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/06 21:19:43
    Carol
    Did you not read this?
    Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

    How can that be? Because the "contributions" consist of money that employees chose to take as deferred wages – as pensions when they retire – rather than take immediately in cash. The same is true with the health care plan. If this were not so a serious crime would be taking place, the gift of public funds rather than payment for services.

    Thus, state workers are not being asked to simply "contribute more" to Wisconsin' s retirement system (or as the argument goes, "pay their fair share" of retirement costs as do employees in Wisconsin' s private sector who still have pensions and health insurance). They are being asked to accept a cut in their salaries so that the state of Wisconsin can use the money to fill the hole left by tax cuts and reduced audits of corporations in Wisconsin.

    The labor agreements show that the pension plan money is part of the total negotiated compensation. The key phrase, in those agreements I read (emphasis added), is: "The Employer shall contribute on behalf of the employee." This shows that this is just divvying up the total compensation package, so much for cash wages, so much for paid vacations, so much for retirement, etc.

    The collective bargaining agreements for prosecutors, cops and scientists are all on-line.
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/07 00:49:36
    imotley
    +1
    "Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers."

    and who pays the state workers?

    We aren't going to agree, but I do appreciate the civility of the discussion... sometimes that is hard to find.
  • Carol imotley 2011/03/07 15:41:48
    Carol
    +1
    Thank you also for keeping this a discussion. People do not have to agree, that is how an exchange of ideas is possible. Hope you have a good day.
  • imotley Carol 2011/03/07 17:09:44
    imotley
    +1
    and I actually did learn from this.... have a great day!
  • Shirleywillow 2011/02/26 19:54:44
    Shirleywillow
    +1
    It makes me wonder why people like you are so smitten with what the Gov of WI is doing. He is pandering to the Big Corporations and the Koch Brothers who are trying their best to buy our democracy.
    These greedy idiots will stop at nothing until they break every union,public and private.
    Governor Walker not only wants concessions from the unions,but wants to take away their right to collective bargaining.
    If the unions are broken in this country not only will that open the money pit to favor republicans re-elective chances, but will no longer have the balanced contributions from unions to the democratic chance of re-election.
    This will take us back to the days of sweat shops & long working days, unsafe work places . You Get The Picture.
    You seem to be a big FOX NEWS lover and supporter of their pundits. Take notice, Sheppard Smith is calling it like it is now and also Greta was sparring a little bit with Governor Walker, calling him out on some of the things he was trying to wiggle out of.
    I think they are getting a little sick of what they are seeing an hearing from their own shows.
  • hooda Shirley... 2011/02/26 20:46:33
    hooda
    +1
    It makes us wonder why people like you climb into bed with Marxists and Communists just so you can make sure your pockets can stay full of the tax payers dollars.
    If anyone is greedy, it is the unions who think that the taxpayers must find a way to pay their own bills, feed their own families and fund their own 401K's all the while making sure they fund the union workers retirement until the day those workers die. NOBODY EXCEPT UNION WORKERS GETS THAT LEVEL OF SECURITY and the country could never afford to pay all of us in that manner. So the chosen 12% will continue to ransack the rest of us, and then call us greedy. Talk about a bunch of B.S. You see what Greece is like? That is America if you don't wise up and quit thinking about yourself instead of thinking about those of us who pay those union wages and bennies.
  • Shirley... hooda 2011/02/27 05:57:00
    Shirleywillow
    Firstly,my pockets are not full of tax payer dollars,secondly the unions are not greedy. The people who are greedy are the ones lining the pockets of our elected leaders in order for them to make sure the middle class marches in lock step with the orders from on high. Look at the bonuses these corporate people take and who did they take the money from in the first place? You and me and the ordinary union working stiffs.
  • hooda Shirley... 2011/02/27 07:48:44
    hooda
    +1
    So you shifted the topic to...what? Who are these corporate people? Union bosses ARE THE CORPORATE PEOPLE. They are the ones who use the working man to line their pockets by taking their money in the form of dues and then buying more political sway and then more dues and the circle never ends. The union workers are the ones being used as pawns for the union bosses while the private citizens are the ones paying the bill.

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