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Tragedy, accountability, and the Obama presidency

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/15 22:07:05
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Lots of "tragedies" have happened in America, from the Aurora Incident to the latest police-blotter statistics in Chicago (or any other American city).

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, God is trying to tell us something?

About, maybe, 154 million abortions every year?

About a moral slide that has gone on for a century?

About a national leader who holds himself accountable to no one but himself?

What do you think?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/08/15 22:09:33
    Agree. "Tragedy" on this scale is Divine judgement.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +6
    Ask yourselves: can we coarsen the national psyche with abortion and expect *no* consequence from that? Mightn't abortion make bad behavior more likely? After all, if a society doesn't care about the unborn, why shouldn't you get more people who don't care about anyone but themselves? And who will kill anyone who gets in their way?

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  • suejkw 2012/08/21 15:47:17
    Disagree. These "tragedies" are a direct result of too many guns.
    suejkw
    Does it make sense to allow ANYONE to buy as many guns as he wants? Shouldn't it raise questions as to WHY one person has so many? Apparently not until that person kills someone.Ban them.Only cops & military should be allowed to carry them.Too many idiots out there who seem to settle their arguments by murder instead of intelligence.
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/08/21 19:43:51
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    And who has the authority to decide how many guns any citizen or lawful resident may have?
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/08/22 15:28:45
    suejkw
    Does it REALLY MAKE SENSE to own 5,10 guns+? WHY? What does ANYONE NEED THAT many for? The Bill of Rights means 'the right to a standing military',NOT for any crazy to own as many weapons as he wants.Every man owned a weapon(to shoot their next meal as well as defense)BEFORE we became the USA.That was ALREADY a 'right'.We didn't have our own military.The English army was the ONLY military in this country at the time.
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/08/22 19:14:16
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    That judgment is not yours to make.

    Any person who buys guns, owns or manages several businesses, and one of them is None Of Your.
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/08/23 15:50:40
    suejkw
    But what about the person who owns alot of weapons who does NOT buy them to protect his business? Who just buys them because he can? If he gets angry at someone,he's the one who may use them on an innocent person.
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/08/23 19:36:12
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Your best protection against him is your own weapon. Usually one shot is all it takes.
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/08/24 15:23:01
    suejkw
    But WHY have a gun around simply because you're angry at someone? When it became legal in WV to carry a weapon as long as it was not concealed about 15 or so years ago,I was grocery shopping at a local store there & it seemed most of the men there had a gun at their hips.I was thinking: what if 2 of them grabbed the last frozen pizza or other item. Would they both aim their guns at each other & say 'drop it or I'll shoot'?
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/08/24 18:49:46
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Wouldn't happen. An armed society is a polite society. Every man present would know that every other man present had a gun.

    So what really happens is: Two guys walk in, thinking to score some money, or illicit liquor. Only every man present has a gun.

    They skedaddle, saying, "Is this town crazy, or WHAT?"
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/08/25 15:24:11
    suejkw
    But one would think the other could be intimidated if they both pulled out guns & one would most certainly back down.I'm ambivalent when it comes to weapons.On one end,if one crazy suddenly starts shooting,an intelligent person can stop it & prevent more innocent people from getting injured or killed.On the other hand, too many crazies are out there with 'legal' guns who do murder.
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/08/25 15:26:42
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    If two crazies face off against one another, duck and take cover and let them blast away. But things like that (everybody ducking under their tables in the saloons) happened far less often than Hollywood's reification machine would have you believe.
  • dasimon1 suejkw 2012/08/23 21:06:36
    dasimon1
    i haved 7 hand guns and 11 rifles and shot guns. I had more but i sold them and these i decided to keep.
  • suejkw dasimon1 2012/08/24 15:24:30
    suejkw
    But WHY have so many?
  • dasimon1 suejkw 2012/08/24 21:46:31
    dasimon1
    +1
    Because i target shoot and usd to hunt.
  • suejkw dasimon1 2012/08/25 15:24:43
    suejkw
    Isn't one enough?
  • dasimon1 suejkw 2012/08/25 23:14:42
    dasimon1
    +1
    I have all different ones
  • suejkw dasimon1 2012/08/26 18:25:09
    suejkw
    What is the sense for anyone to own an AK47,for example? Only the military should have access to them.
  • dasimon1 suejkw 2012/08/26 23:18:20
    dasimon1
    +1
    no reason that i know .i wouldn't own one
  • suejkw dasimon1 2012/08/27 15:22:46
    suejkw
    But some private citizens do.Where do they get them?
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/09/11 21:36:15
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Any private citizen should be allowed to arm himself at least as heavijly as can a buck private in the infantry. Because otherwise, the citizenry will be a target of the military.
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/09/12 15:29:25
    suejkw
    Not necessarily.There are too many crazies in this country with too many guns who will shoot anyone they have an argument with.Read the newspapers.Why,for example,does anyone need 10 or more guns owned by ONE person? Why would anyone need to own an AK47? The local cops should check out the local gangs & where THEY are getting their weapons but,unfortunately,THEY have the 'right' to own them & the cops can't 'do anything' until they commit a crime first.Kinda late.
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/09/12 18:03:51
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Your best protection against "crazies with guns" is a gun in your own hand.
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/09/13 00:01:28
    suejkw
    I have never touched a gun & don't intend to now.If everyone were to be toting every time they walked down the street,can you imagine all the people shot simply because someone doesn't like a particular person? No.it would not necessarily keep people in line knowing everyone had a gun ready to use it.Some idiot would only want to see how many people he can shoot before he himself went down,since such people don't care about their life to begin with.ALOT of prime examples withing the last 10 yrs.
  • Temlako... suejkw 2012/09/13 01:31:18
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Wouldn't happen. "An armed society is a polite society." We ought to try it sometime. It would surprise you.
  • suejkw Temlako... 2012/09/13 15:27:48
    suejkw
    But there are idiots who have a death wish for themselves & are too cowardly to just kill themselves if that is their choice & want to take as many people along with them.Columbine comes to mind as well as other sad instances.What about these people(I won't call them 'parents')who chose to kill their kids.What protection does that child(ren)have?
  • james2013 suejkw 2012/08/23 00:38:00 (edited)
    james2013
    +1
    With our present commander-in-chief, I wish the military weren't allowed to carry guns. And by the way, I was once in the military and carried a gun. And isn't it a strange fact that in Virginia with its liberal gun owner-ship laws, there is less crime than in Washington DC with its strict gun laws. Must be too many idiots living in DC
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/23 15:52:42
    suejkw
    Politicians come to mind re:idiots! I live in Indiana but used to live in Chicago.Too many gangs there & the police don't seem to do anything about them.They are the ones who cause most of the murders.
  • james2013 2012/08/20 23:33:18
    Disagree. "Stuff" happens, including tragedy.
    james2013
    Too many....maybe everyone....thinks of God as a benevolent nice guy who rewards people who try hard to be what he wants them to be. I've come to understand that He is God and being God, He can do what He wants to to whomever He wants to and when He wants to. So we should not feel so secure in our petty little effort to appease God because we are as filthy wrags to Him.
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/21 15:50:09
    suejkw
    Why do you actually believe that a 'god' is running things? Your factual evidence,please. None of you religious believers seem to have any.
  • james2013 suejkw 2012/08/21 22:48:39
    james2013
    +1
    None of you non-believers have any factual evidence that He isn't running things? The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years by probably more than 66 men and all of them agreed that there was but one all knowing, all seeing, ever present God who created this whole universe and all that is in it. Once He set things into motion, it's reasonable that according to Genesis, on the 7th day he rested. Maybe He isn't "running things". Maybe we're living in the 7th day and He isn't actively doing anything accept being God. See my explanation in the paragraph above. I cannot say anything more or second guess what God has on His Mind. The sad thing is that people do not really know what GOD is and think of him as a benevolent old man sitting on a throne somewhere. They are very mistaken.
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/22 15:36:30
    suejkw
    Learn more of science.You may become enlightened.Some 'god' did not 'create' everything.Some 'god' does not 'cause' weather conditions.Some 'god' does not give children to couples.The bible is not based on fact.Much of it has been proven myths & stories from other cultures or just plain wrong.Death wasn't 'caused' because some woman who was 'created' from a rib ate an apple.Death always existed.A rib cannot grow arms,legs,etc;THAT'S a proven.'God' is an invention of man to explain how things started as well as to control people.Give me ONE PROVEN piece of factual evidence.Whenever I ask that basic question,no one answers.I wonder why? Religion is responsible for most of the wars fought in the world.Your comments are senseless.You are just repeating the things you have been indoctrinated in.
  • james2013 suejkw 2012/08/23 00:34:21
    james2013
    +1
    I'm 75 years old and have studied much, have a university degree and have seen science proven wrong many times. They, t one time, thought the milky way was the total of the universe until Hubble. Now they don't know how big the universe is. You cannot give me ONE PROVEN piece of factual evidence that science is right any more than I can prove that religion is factual. I choose to accept religion as a means of living in the right lane while the left leaning people I know prefer to live in the left lane. You know, the head-on lane. You and I both will just have to wait until death, and I don't have much longer, to know for sure who is right and who is wrong. I would rather it be me.
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/23 15:56:05
    suejkw
    I have a BA in History as well as an LPN diploma.One of my classes in college was Biblical History.MOST of the things in the bible can be proved wrong.They were borrowed from other cultures with some changes.NO ONE KNOWS how the universe came to be so why not believe THAT instead of a stirt? Where you in the service in WWII or Vietnam?
  • james2013 suejkw 2012/08/24 19:57:28
    james2013
    +1
    To have been in WWII I would have to be at least 10 years older than I am. My dad was in WWII and sailed the submarine dangerous waters of the atlantic carrying munitions and supplies to the effort in France during the invasion.

    I don't know what liberal university you went to but whether the Bible is a collection of stories from other cultures or not, just proves to me that religion is a worldwide phenomenon with all cultures believing in a god. Yes, I'm aware that some of the stories in the Bible are similar to stories from other cultures. I think it's amazing that more than one group of people endured a catastrophic flood about the same time Noah built the ark. Along with other arguments you have put forward I am reminded of Genesis 1:28 which says: And God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, AND SUBDUE IT: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. It seems to me that he put us in charge and when things go wrong we only have ourselves to blame.
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/25 15:36:43
    suejkw
    +1
    My dad was an Army medic & one of my uncles helped liberate one of the concentration camps.I grew up listening to their first-hand accounts which were interesting.What was amazing was that the Germans didn't know what they were doing was wrong,be they military or German civilians!
    Since people migrated to different areas,cultural stories moved with them to different places & found a place in other cultures witha few changes to suit a particular culture.Archeology has proved that there has been more then one flood.It was not caused by a 'god' getting pissed but due to the melting of several ice ages thru out time. 'Gods/ goddesses'were invented by man to explain the existence of the universe & humanity. The bible is NOT based on 100% factual events.
  • dasimon1 suejkw 2012/08/23 21:16:01
    dasimon1
    It's a hell of a lot better then being an atheist! At least I have something to belive in.Whgat do you have?: And don't say your self............thats not good enough!
  • suejkw dasimon1 2012/08/24 15:26:34
    suejkw
    WHY BELIEVE in something that science can prove wrong? It gives false 'comfort' to the indoctrinated.I would rather rely on myself instead of some medieval fantasy.Rely on a 'god' & nothing will happen.
  • james2013 suejkw 2012/08/24 20:05:53
    james2013
    I've said before that science has been proven wrong so many times that I have no faith in them any more. Why do you believe that science is so accurate that you would bet your life on it? Maybe you're not old enough to remember how many times science has changed it's mind about things it declared factual a few years before. What do you think causes cancer? Science has claimed about everything that I eat or drink at one time or another is supposed to cause cancer. Why does science put roach poison in our drinking water to prevent cavaties? Some dumbass scientists haven't a clue.
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/25 15:46:58
    suejkw
    +1
    As a nurse,I'm convinced it's the additives that are put in food that causes most diseases we have as well as the stuff in the air from pollution.Doctors push this & that drug & many people are afraid to question WHY? Science has alot of theories & hypothesis on stuff but that's just what they are.NO ONE KNOWS how the universe came to be so THAT'S the most logical thing to believe in instead of a 'god' going on a 'creating spree' or a 'big bang' theory that suddenly put things in motion to cause the planets,stars,etc. to form.I agree with you re: some ignorant scientists.They can't prove many things are actually facts because it is impossible for some things.But a question:If life that is different from ours should someday make itself known,then who will say 'created' it? Woouldn't that debunk religion? I took an astronomy class in college & saw alot of planets which was amazing.There are solar systems that Hubble has proven exists but are too far away for us to travel to at this time.What if there is 'intelligent life' somewhere out there?
  • james2013 suejkw 2012/08/26 02:18:54 (edited)
    james2013
    Would you believe God created the WHOLE universe...and He's bigger than the whole universe. NOT a measley man sitting on a throne somewhere in a place called Heaven. God is spirit and is everywhere at once, not just visiting and causing catastrophies to happen to teach people a lesson. Karma is the happening caused by mis-behaving people that leads to the catastrophies that plague mankind. Believe it or not, there is personal Karma and group Karma. If there is life in other solar systems, then God had to have created it. Have you ever seen recent photos of life at the bottom of the sea that we didn't know existed until now, especially life that lives in water so hot and mineralized that it would be instant death to humans. Isn't that strange? We don't have to go to Mars to find if life is there, just a few thousand feet deep in the oceans.
  • suejkw james2013 2012/08/26 18:28:51
    suejkw
    'God' is a myth.The stories of the bible are simply that.Stories that can be proven false.Genesis is one example.I have seen blind fish in Mammoth Cave in Ky.They live in the dark & use their other senses to find food so they've evolved without eyes.

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