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Torture, torture, torture, torture

Ever since President Obama released the Bush-era torture memos, torture has been the hot topic for political pundits. There seems to be at least four groups of people regarding this issue:

1.) Waterboarding is torture. Torture is a crime. There are criminals. Criminals need to be prosecuted.

2.) Waterboarding is not torture. Go ahead, waterboard me!

3.) I'm not going to take a stance on waterboarding, but can't we just forget about the past? (Basically, someone who deep down believes in the first three sentences of #1, but doesn't want the fourth sentence to happen)

4.) I can't choose whether it's torture or not because if it is, I can try to accuse the Democrats in Congress of knowing about it but if it isn't, then it'll protect all those Republican officials under Bush.


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  • +5 raves Jack Chermak May 01, 2009 08:33:17
    Jack Chermak
    First, let's examine a few basics:

    1. When did the threat to us start?

    Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:

    * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
    * Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
    * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
    * Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
    * Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
    * Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
    * Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
    * New York World Trade Center 2001;
    * Pentagon 2001.

    (Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).

    2. Why were we attacked?

    Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

    3. Who were the attackers?

    In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.
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  • Red October 29, 2009 16:00:58
    Red
    Get involved in the tea parties, 9-12, and lets get this guy and these old blowhards out of Congress!!
  • Red October 29, 2009 15:59:57
    Red
    I could care less what the CIA or the FBI does to terrorists!! Let them do their job. If they can get any information out of them - go for it!!
  • Red October 29, 2009 15:58:19
    Red
    Hey Spooky - where did you get your numbers that Bush caused 100,000 deaths???? There always was war and always will be war. There has never been 'no war'. Bush did a good job of protecting us from terrorists and he freed millions of people in Iraq. If he had closed the borders he would have been a hero. Our borders are a tremendous problem. They just caught over 300 "La Familia" drug dealers that were here illegally from Mexico. They are part of a HUGE drug family. If they can get here anyone can. Obama is so busy flying around in Air Force One, got in 21 games of golf, continuing to campaign for himself and his cronies, bad mouthing the USA, calling us a non-Christian country, not making a decision to send in more troops to help our guys that are in Afghanistan - he is doing NOTHING but entertaining himself and his family!! We need to take the Air Force One keys away from him. HOW could anyone have voted this man in office?? All he knows is how to be a community organizer!! He has 24 - so far - czars that are self confessed communists!! Michelle has about 20 people working for her alone that we tax payers are paying for - these are salaries above $100,000!!!!
  • Marilyn October 21, 2009 02:24:11
    Marilyn
    I just read some of the comments re: Obama and am surprised so many people feel like I do. I think our country is changing to such a degree I do not feel one bit safe anymore. When a US President goes oversea's and bad mouths his own country on every speech apologizing for our past error's this is wrong, it weakens the respect that this country was known for. He never mentiions all the good that the US does to help other countries, i.e. recently the Phillipean's. Never a good word spoken of us. His associates have and are questionable still. When you hear little school children singing praises of him, what does that remind you of; myself it reminds me of being brainwashed not unlike Hitler did. Now, he and his staff are after Fox news, why? Because they let you know what's going on where the other news stations don't. It's like censorship and control of what we know. That is scary. He is the best speaker I have ever heard but it's like he's the cover on a book but what does he really think
  • Marilyn October 21, 2009 01:53:14
    Marilyn
    I don't consider it torture if it protects we, Citizens. Compared to what the US enemies have done to our servicemen this is nothing, no comparison. An eye for an eye. If potential terrorists end up telling the US about potential threats then I say it's ok. Being dipped in water is not the same as having your head cut off!
  • spooky October 03, 2009 17:49:20
    spooky
    How can anyone stand up for the Bush Admin. The man is resp. for killing over 100,000 people. Oh an just how are the bombs going to get here are they going to put them on their backs and swm over. Fear is how Bush got elected, open your eyes people golly!
  • Hawk spooky October 10, 2009 15:16:25
    Hawk
    Your an idiot we have terrorist already in our country.The real fear is how did your idiot obama get elected. Wake up nit wit. Bush is not the president but he kept your ass safe for eight year`s.
  • spooky October 03, 2009 17:43:42
    spooky
    Water board the x president and x vp and ask why we started a war in Iraq, then ask if they were tortured.
  • AKAITEL September 23, 2009 16:58:41
    AKAITEL
    Obviously, it is so hard to forget about the past. Cause, the last eight years of President Bush was a disaster. Sadly, the Iraq was wrong we lost so many American children.
    Importantly, there was a woman in Texas, she only have one child. This child was a twenty years old boy, he was very a some and kind young man. He was loved by the all neirbohood, because of his attitude.
    Evidently this young man, decided to serve his country, he joined the marines. Forcedly, he was sent to Iraq to fight illegal wars.
    Causing of unhappiness, this young did not retuned a live. H e was killed, by insurgent. His body was bought in black beg with the American flag on it.
    In conclusion, it is very hard to forget the past, because too much life has been lost. Therefore, we should pray and hope that we should never elect a man like Georges w Bush again. Evidently, America needs to focus on our health care plan, because it is the beginning of the change in Washington.
  • Rodo2 August 11, 2009 15:59:38 (edited)
    Rodo2
    Obama continues attacking Bush to keep people on his side, does he realize that his trick is getting old and people is beginning to see the real Obama and the real Bush! Obama's only tool is to acuse everyone else and he present himself as a perfect man, THE ONE who can do anything and everything. He is not smart enough to
    show what he can do, to see his CHANGE. We have a change, sure, for the worse. He only care for power, control, ruler, socialist, liberal, he wants to make of the
    USA a communist country. HE IS ACTING LIKE HITLER VERY MUCH. He wants to control the Health Insurance and start killing the elderly little by little, they will not have the care they need when they need it, I know this for the only reason that I lived for 19 years in a country where the Health Insurance is control by government and they can not handle all the sick people in their country and they let them die before they can take care of them.
    He never presented his medical records, his school transcripts from every college he attended, the list of his clients he serve as attorney, the documents requested when he was serving in chicago, and must of all HE NEVER PRESENTED HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE", democrats made McCain present his original birth certificate
    acusing him being born in another...
    Obama continues attacking Bush to keep people on his side, does he realize that his trick is getting old and people is beginning to see the real Obama and the real Bush! Obama's only tool is to acuse everyone else and he present himself as a perfect man, THE ONE who can do anything and everything. He is not smart enough to
    show what he can do, to see his CHANGE. We have a change, sure, for the worse. He only care for power, control, ruler, socialist, liberal, he wants to make of the
    USA a communist country. HE IS ACTING LIKE HITLER VERY MUCH. He wants to control the Health Insurance and start killing the elderly little by little, they will not have the care they need when they need it, I know this for the only reason that I lived for 19 years in a country where the Health Insurance is control by government and they can not handle all the sick people in their country and they let them die before they can take care of them.
    He never presented his medical records, his school transcripts from every college he attended, the list of his clients he serve as attorney, the documents requested when he was serving in chicago, and must of all HE NEVER PRESENTED HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE", democrats made McCain present his original birth certificate
    acusing him being born in another country, he presented his birth certificate showing
    that he was born in Panama, in a hospital of USA military base in panama,Obama up to this date he has not presented his original birth certificate, how in the world people and congress allow him to be president of the USA, I hope and pray that this four years go by as fast as possible and we can get a good president to care for his people for his country and not for himself as dictator. WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THE USA AND DESERVE BETTER. "GOD BLESS AMERICA"
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  • Red July 16, 2009 18:50:49
    Red
    Don't you love the fact that the Social Security Department, which is going broke, just threw a fancy party, in a fancy hotel, for 700 of their employees - people who are supposedly working for us!! - for a mere $700,000! They said it was a convention but, an undercover cameraman discovered it was a great party with tons of food, alcohol and dancing. They are making fools of us. The American people need to wake up and get involved in ridding our government of people like this!! The man in charge of that idea needs to GO immediately!
  • Marilyn Red October 21, 2009 02:07:22
    Marilyn
    Since you brought up social security............my feelings are that I am 67 and can remember when the government (think it was congress and Johnson was the President) the social security administration had a huge amount of money in reserve and it was taken from it............just taken, never paid back with interest yet there is talk of it running out soon and those that get ss money now are getting it from the young people who are working now...................this isn't right..........this money should be paid back with interest NOW! This wouldn't benefit the current reciprients but the future young adults would have something................this makes me feel like crap .. I don't get that much (less then $200) but it isn't right nor fair when this country has spent millions of "funny money" towards everything else. Shame on this government, you take you pay back (or is this an old fashion idea)..........stealing is stealing. I would think that everyone would be so ticked off over this that pressure should be put on the government to pay back what it took and protect those coming up.
  • Red July 16, 2009 18:46:30
    Red
    Hey Steve - do you have spelling check?

    How can you protect your children from terrorist bombs? As worried as I am about the terroists - Obama is doing more damage than any of the terrorists can do. He is bringing us down from within. Can you imagine having a bill that is 1500 pages?? No one is reading it?? We are throwing our country away - no we are not throwing it away - it is the elite in Washington that is destroying it. These people are supposed to be working for us. They could care less about us. They are living high on the hog, they will have their huge pensions for the rest of their lives and the rest of their spouses lives - at OUR expense. We should demand that they go on the same ridiculous health plan that we will have. WHY should they have better health plans than us? What makes them so much better than us? We chose them to protect us and work for us. They are so out of touch with the hard working people of this country!! Their perks are beyond compare. Why do they keep giving themselves raises no matter what condition the country is in? It should be 'the people' that vote if they get a raise or not. We need to vote ALL of them out!! I hope everyone is going to their Tea Parties. The MSM is not reporting on how successful they are becoming.
  • AmVet June 18, 2009 20:34:02
    AmVet
    The terrorist put themselves in the picture, I guess it is more humane to let the idiots blow themselves and your loved one up.
  • sharon June 18, 2009 12:55:40
    sharon
    Oh in other words it's OKay for the muslems to behead a person but were not to waterboard them ???? Unbelieveable Obama had better wake up & see whats important here and not just play the pretty boy. This country is turing into such whimps its a shame.
  • Hawk sharon October 10, 2009 15:21:24
    Hawk
    You are so right .WE HAVE A WIMP FOR PRESIDENT WHO IS IN FACT IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY. jUST A SMOOTH TALKING CON ARTIST.
  • JL June 15, 2009 02:46:30
    JL
    WATERBOARDING CAN CAUSE FEAR - NOTHING SO MUCH AS OBAMA IS DOING TO AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • JL June 15, 2009 02:43:45
    JL
    THE REAL TORTURE IS WHAT OBAMA IS DOING TO OUR COUNTRY/ WAY OF LIFE/ECONOMICS, ETC. OUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME! PRAY, PEOPLE , PRAY!
  • Rose JL June 28, 2009 02:00:00
    Rose
    As I recall his great economic inheritance left him with few options. Those of you who are saying "one of those Muslims" are condemning a religion, not an ideology. It is the extremist who are dangerous.
  • JL Rose June 29, 2009 20:45:53 (edited)
    JL
    ROSE - A YEAR AGO IN MAY, UNEMPLOYMENT WAS 5.3%- WE WILL TOP10% NEXT MONTH / THAT,S NOT AN INHERITANCE! WHY DO SOME PEOPLE REFUSE TO SEE TRUTH?
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