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Top GOP pollster who has worked for presidential campaigns warns that the GOP needs to "evolve" on Gay marriage. What do you say?

Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru 2012/05/12 12:15:51
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Below is a remarkable document. It's a memo circulated by Jan van Lohuizen,
a highly respected Republican pollster, (he polled for George W. Bush
in 2004), to various leading Republican operatives, candidates and
insiders. It's on the fast-shifting poll data on marriage equality and
gay rights in general, and how that should affect Republican policy and
language. And the pollster's conclusion is clear: if the GOP keeps up
its current rhetoric and positions on gays and lesbians, it is in danger
of marginalizing itself to irrelevance or worse.

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  • Freeranger 2012/05/13 03:32:43
    I think he is wrong.
    Freeranger
    +1
    I think true character is standing firm on your beliefs, rather than allowing yourself to be blown this way and that by the whim of man.
  • Prairie Wind 2012/05/13 00:18:28
    I think he is wrong.
    Prairie Wind
    +1
    Absolutely NOT! the pros/cons of Gay marriage have about as much bearing on resolving the financial crisis this present amateur has brought upon this nation and are in comparison to about as much signinificance of the tungsten wedding ring for Barney Frank. Get heads screwed back on straight and get Obama out of the White House. NOW
  • Kane Fernau 2012/05/12 15:05:40
  • Assassi... Kane Fe... 2012/05/12 15:28:51
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    He has done more than one poll. He has done this for many years.
  • Kane Fe... Assassi... 2012/05/12 16:13:05
    Kane Fernau
    +2
    You can get any answer you want depending on how you ask the question. The majority of Americans are Christians. They forgive the sinner but not the sin.
  • Assassi... Kane Fe... 2012/05/12 21:40:06
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    +1
    He is a republican pollster.
  • Kane Fe... Assassi... 2012/05/13 15:23:42
    Kane Fernau
    People in N. Carolina were for gay marriage? It's been voted on in 33 states and failed every time. The only way it's legal is by activist judges or liberal legislatures.
  • 2468 2012/05/12 14:28:17
    I think he is correct.
    2468
    +2
    The polls are showing that a majority of people now believe in equality.
    Fighting against equality is going to be a mill stone around the elephants neck.
    Once people awaken it is hard to put them back to sleep.
  • Uranos7 2468 2012/05/12 20:01:45
    Uranos7
    +2
    What Americans say in a poll and what they say in the privacy of a voting booth are 2 different things.
    They may say they support it but then when it comes down to it that 'not in my back yard' mentality wins out. Which is why almost all the efforts to legalize gay marriage in the individual states are failing.
  • Waldorf 2012/05/12 14:01:17
    I think he is wrong.
    Waldorf
    +3
    That is naked code for allowing America's value system to be taken down.
  • 2468 Waldorf 2012/05/12 14:29:34
    2468
    As opposed to being purchased by the highest bidder?
  • Waldorf 2468 2012/05/12 14:34:02
    Waldorf
    +4
    I wouldn't be guided by someone whose sole mission was to win votes at all costs.
  • Metaldane 2012/05/12 13:59:10
    I think he is correct.
    Metaldane
    +2
    But if they did they would lose the support of religious fundies one of their man voter bases so they won't until it's too late probably when my generation become senior citizens.
  • 2468 Metaldane 2012/05/12 14:30:41
    2468
    The fundies have no where else to go. They will be left with the Right or the Left and the Right is more rule and fear based which tends to suit them and make them more able to be lead.
  • Metaldane 2468 2012/05/12 23:23:59
    Metaldane
    +1
    Well yea the fundies are one of the reasons the consnare so prejudice
  • Old Nellie Bones 2012/05/12 13:47:44
    I think he is correct.
    Old Nellie Bones
    +3
    I agree absolutely.Although gay marriage is the least of our issues no matter what side of the coin you are on.The GOP is shooting themselves in the foot. HELLO what is the unemployement rate?How high is the deficit? How can they expect to get us on track if they focus so much on Gay marriage?How can we trust them to get us back on track if they focus so much gay marriage? They should focus more on the number of sex offenders getting released into our comunities,sex offenders who won't be "cured" by the B.S. therapy etc that neither register as thery are supposed to,or Re-offend.Then they do on gay marriage.In Seattle and vicinity alone there are currently 1534 sex offenders from level 1-3, there are some who are noncompliant and flat out havent registered.Seriously.
  • DM Twin 2012/05/12 13:25:35
    I think he is wrong.
    DM Twin
    +2
    Non issue....

    IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID...

    ( not you Buzz Godess )
  • John "By God" American 2012/05/12 12:33:27
    I think he is wrong.
    John "By God" American
    +2
    Ron Paul's position of making that a state decision is how the GOP needs to evolve...
  • Uranos7 2012/05/12 12:33:14
    I think he is correct.
    Uranos7
    +2
    I think both sides need to stay out of it.
    [ meaning republicans stop wasting time on opposing it and democrats on promoting it.]
    We have much bigger issues to worry about than gay marriage. as it is the states have the right to decide and most have cast thier votes in elections already.
    Liscensing is a states right issue leave it to the states.
  • Assassi... Uranos7 2012/05/12 12:38:15
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    +1
    I think, like every issue, it is a very big deal to some.
  • Uranos7 Assassi... 2012/05/12 12:48:25
    Uranos7
    +2
    I realize that but I belive the government has no businesss legislating peoples private life either way, like I said meaning republicans stop wasting time on opposing it and democrats on promoting it. If both get out of the bedroom business people might actually evolve faster.
    Sort of like when a mule sit's down and refuses to move, beating it will only strengthen it's resolve but if you walk away in a few minutes it will get bored or hungry and start to move on it's own then you can lead it again.
  • Sissy 2012/05/12 12:32:37
    I think he is correct.
    Sissy
    +2
    The problem is, the homophobia and contempt is so deeply engrained in the Right Wing Agenda that I doubt anything they might say differently would be looked at with a jaundiced eye.
  • Daniel 2012/05/12 12:30:05 (edited)
    I think he is wrong.
    Daniel
    +3
    I think the price of food and what Obama has failed to do are the real issues. Gay Unions aren't going to help the job market either.
  • Sissy Daniel 2012/05/12 12:36:22
    Sissy
    +1
    Hmmm, I also think that the billions of dollars lost by JP Morgan and the sanctimonious belief the Pubs have all the answers for what to do with the economy is also going to be front and center in this election. The fact that the Gay community, women, Independants and of course the loyal Left shouldn't be taken too lightly. Of course it also doesn't help the Right much to have a phony, hypocritical aristocrat as their candidate isn't all too swift either.
  • Daniel Sissy 2012/05/12 14:51:25
    Daniel
    Democrats have fought the Republican how fought for women's rights. So you are misinformed here and Obama's coming out of the closet flip flopping on gay issues will crush his chances. Obama's biggest supporters were mexicans and illegals and his stance on abortion, gay unions and his attack on the Catholic Church will cost him his greatest group of supporters.
  • Sissy Daniel 2012/05/15 12:05:40 (edited)
    Sissy
    Those who are all hissy over his statement and support of all our citizens weren't going to vote for him anyway, so what's the diff? In the end its going to be who is better to lead this country and it sure wouldn't be a serial flip-flopping phony who still thinks we're fighting the cold war.
  • Daniel Sissy 2012/05/15 12:35:12
    Daniel
    Well that puts Obama out.
  • Sissy Daniel 2012/05/19 13:14:47
    Sissy
    Ya think? Feeling a tad bit delusional of late? lol
  • Daniel Sissy 2012/05/19 13:51:55
    Daniel
    It's over for Obama. Democrats simply lack common sense which is needed when creating a budget. You're delusional if you think Obama can pay off $15,000,000,000,000.00 in 5 months and keep his campaign promise. There's a neighborhood next to mine that has 5,000 homes the banks are getting ready to foreclose on. Obama had his four years and those families aren't voting for him.
  • Sissy Daniel 2012/05/19 14:09:45
    Sissy
    "Over for Obama"? Well then, just maybe you should have looked harder for a viable candidate these last four years instead of spending all of your time hating, spewing and showing such contempt, ya think?

    I never cease to be amazed that you righty's, especially if you're a lunch pail republican, showed little or no interest in the spending of tax payer dollars to bail out the financial district to the tune of $720 plus billion dollars, but throw a hissy fit at trying to pull Main Street off its knees.
  • Daniel Sissy 2012/05/19 21:33:50
    Daniel
    I would've been happy with Cain but really don't know what happened there. Be happy I'm not running things. I'd cut off your food stamps, shut down welfare immediately and fire half the government. I'd start shutting down government funded programs like planned parenthood. Liberals seem to think government should run everything accept marriage. You people are a riot when it comes to common sense.
  • Sissy Daniel 2012/05/20 12:06:27
    Sissy
    You are willing to cut away at the very moral fiber of this country. Thank god you're in the minority.
  • Daniel Sissy 2012/05/21 12:02:41
    Daniel
    I was actually thinking of putting it back. Hard work is what builds good morals.
  • Assassi... Daniel 2012/05/12 12:38:46
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    +1
    But gay issues are important to many. You have to be a well rounded candidate yes?
  • Daniel Assassi... 2012/05/12 14:44:54
    Daniel
    Gay issues affect a minority and will hurt him with the hispanic population severely which was his one hope. Economy is the issue on everyones mind and Obama has hurt it bad.
  • Assassi... Daniel 2012/05/12 15:29:41
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    LOL, the hispanics will not vote for Romney.
  • Daniel Assassi... 2012/05/12 21:37:15
    Daniel
    +1
    I agree, but they won't be voting against him either.
  • Sawdust_128 2012/05/12 12:26:00
    I think he is wrong.
    Sawdust_128
    +4
    Homosexuality adds nothing to human fitness.
  • Assassi... Sawdust... 2012/05/12 12:39:13
    Assassin~ Badass Buzz Guru
    +1
    I am not sure what that has to do with anything.
  • Sawdust... Assassi... 2012/05/12 12:53:59
    Sawdust_128
    Here, go a different route.

    Answer me this, What causes someone to be homosexual? What is the mechanism behind it? Ecologically and on an evolutionary basis, it makes no sense. So why license it? Are humans so arrogant as to believe that civil law supersedes the law of nature?

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