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Top British doctor's chilling claim: The National Health Service kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year. Is this going to happen in a future America,under Obamacare?

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  • Professor says doctors use 'death pathway' to euthenasia of the elderly

  • Treatment on average brings a patient to death in 33 hours

  • Around 29 per cent of patients that die in hospital are on controversial 'care pathway'

  • Pensioner admitted to hospital given treatment by doctor on weekend shift


  • NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.

    Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
    He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.
    It is designed to come into force when doctors believe it is impossible for a patient to recover and death is imminent.

    It can include withdrawal of treatment – including the provision of water and nourishment by tube – and on average brings a patient to death in 33 hours.
    There are around 450,000 deaths in Britain each year of people who are in hospital or under NHS care. Around 29 per cent – 130,000 – are of patients who were on the LCP.
    Professor Pullicino claimed that far too often elderly patients who could live longer are placed on the LCP and it had now become an ‘assisted death pathway rather than a care pathway’.

    He cited ‘pressure on beds and difficulty with nursing confused or difficult-to-manage elderly patients’ as factors.
    Professor Pullicino revealed he had personally intervened to take a patient off the LCP who went on to be successfully treated.

    He said this showed that claims they had hours or days left are ‘palpably false’.
    In the example he revealed a 71-year-old who was admitted to hospital suffering from pneumonia and epilepsy was put on the LCP by a covering doctor on a weekend shift.

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    • Farnsworth 2012/06/21 16:26:03
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Farnsworth
      +14
      Obamacare dehumanizes "we the people" into a line item on a budget.

      Once we out live our ability to pay taxes, we can be "cut"

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    • krayzrick carri b... 2012/06/21 20:02:36
      krayzrick
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      very good...
    • Sheila 2012/06/21 17:10:41
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Sheila
      +8
      There is not enough medical care to go around NOW and after the mass retirement of Drs that has been forcast IF ACA is enacted says logically it would have to!!

      Then you look at the complete lives system (written by Rham Emmanuel's brother ezekial and seemingly accepted as ok by the admin by its refusal to DENY IT) and you have another brick in the wall...babies and young.
      complete lives system

      This has been a goal of true progressives for years.
    • Sheila Sheila 2012/06/21 17:12:39
    • Lanikai Sheila 2012/06/21 19:55:23
      Lanikai
      +3
      The other half of that equation is the FACT that illegals and muslims have access to all of our nedicare system and are NOT mandated to pay for anything, so all of these illegals that obie wants to allow to stay, and the 80,000 Hamas muslims and other muslims he has imported, ALL cost money we do not have.

      So we HAVE to eliminate the aged, the infirm, the handicapped-who eat up the most resources-in order to pay for the slaggards.
    • Sheila Lanikai 2012/06/21 20:13:55 (edited)
      Sheila
      +2
      They also overrun our schools (not y'alls, go y'all!!) and other services.

      Those of us who understand supply and dmand know this "plan" simply won't work without rationing.
    • Peewee 2012/06/21 16:59:43
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Peewee
      +7
      it's so convenient. We need that money to pay for people to sit on their butts.
    • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/21 16:52:53
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      mk, Smartass Oracle
      +11
      No surprise. That's Socialism for you





      Socialism kills old folks
    • Stevern... mk, Sma... 2012/06/21 17:18:00
    • mk, Sma... Stevern... 2012/06/21 17:26:34
      mk, Smartass Oracle
      +7
      Great graphic and it's true
    • Beccy 2012/06/21 16:42:33
      Other Thoughts!
      Beccy
      +7
      I see my clients getting very poor care on medicaid. The services are milking the tax payer but not giving real care to the patient.
    • Kimmel 2012/06/21 16:40:05
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Kimmel
      +9
      Once you are in the hospital, you become completely vulnerable.
    • Lanikai Kimmel 2012/06/21 20:09:44
      Lanikai
      +3
      Our local hospital told us that the best way to protect our granny was to keep someone with her at all times. They do NOT have the staff to make sure the alzheimers/sunsetter disease people stay safe.
    • Sheila Lanikai 2012/06/21 20:15:12
      Sheila
      +1
      In Germany their socialised medicine system is so awesome they don't have enough staff to feed folks who can't feed themselves!!
    • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2012/06/21 16:35:16
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
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      Under 0care, won't even have to wait to be elderly, they will start at birth. At the future Nuremberg trials all medical workers must know that they will be held accountable for all murders. Just say no, do the right thing.
    • debrarae 2012/06/21 16:33:46
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      debrarae
      +9
      This is precisely what ObamaCare entails.

      http://www.examiner.com/artic...

      http://libertyandpride.com/mu...

      http://obamacarewatch.org/

      http://www.akdart.com/obama18...

      But we mustn't forget the Naysayers who Scream Obama Care is the 'greatest' because 30,000,000 people will get health care, never minding the 50,000,000 who will lose their health care #STUPID_MUCH?

      http://answers.yahoo.com/ques...
    • Farnsworth 2012/06/21 16:26:03
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Farnsworth
      +14
      Obamacare dehumanizes "we the people" into a line item on a budget.

      Once we out live our ability to pay taxes, we can be "cut"
    • Tennyso... Farnsworth 2012/06/21 20:11:37
      Tennyson James
      +1
      Right. And corporate run health care systems are sooo touchy feely about the patients? Give me a break!
    • Farnsworth Tennyso... 2012/06/22 01:04:41
      Farnsworth
      +2
      prove rationing would not happen
      Prove that our system would not follow the Brits

      you don't like this system, England and Canada are wide open zippy, feel free to go their and get the best care someone elses money can buy.
    • Tennyso... Farnsworth 2012/06/22 03:16:16
      Tennyson James
      Rationing has already been happening under the corporate run health care system.
    • Farnsworth Tennyso... 2012/06/22 03:30:56
      Farnsworth
      +1
      if the government runs it, it will be more unfair and less efficient...

      All moot, SCOTUS will strike it down next week anyway.....Buh-bye
    • lee Farnsworth 2012/06/21 23:23:33
      lee
      who you YOU cut?
    • Farnsworth lee 2012/06/22 01:05:12
      Farnsworth
      +2
      you babbling again sigmund??
    • Stevern... lee 2012/06/25 07:05:01
      Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA
      Just letting you know,I unblocked you.(My first time doing that to someone I have blocked)
      Behave yourself & don't make me regret my action!
    • lee Stevern... 2012/06/25 16:50:01
      lee
      might as well just block me again....
    • TruBluTopaz 2012/06/21 16:24:31
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      TruBluTopaz
      +12
      We have doctors, especially young doctors, who view age as an affliction. They often do not listen to the elderly or those they consider their inferiors. Case in point, my mother in law had complained about a cough, a throbbing pain in her calf and the doctor gave her cough medicine. She was demonstrating the classic signs of a thrombosis and the doctor chose to ignore . My father exhibited similar symptoms, had gone to the doctor for his back pain which had followed weeks of coughing and leg pains. Instead of diagnosing him, he sent him home with a breathing machine. My mother in law died from a heart attack within 72 hours of visiting her doctor. My father died the day after visiting his doctor. Right now I am in a battle with my own doctor over a condition for which there is a profound family history including my mother's generation as well as my children's and I show every single effect, but she persists in treating symptoms over causes. THIS is the problem with our medical community. They type into a computer symptoms and whatever question comes up, they ask. But they don't ask the important questions. And they don't listen when non-medical personnel or even nurses tell them they are wrong.
    • Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/21 16:18:13
      I can see this happening in America too because...
      Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA
      +12
      Great Britain has a population of 62,262000.And prematurely end the lives of 130,000 elderly people a year.Image the number of aging "Baby Boom"Americans,in a country of nearly 314 million,if similar polices are enacted here.Because of exploding healthcare costs to a future broke American state and federal government.

      By calculation of the two country's population & elder death rates.It would work out to around 656,000 Americans per year if similar policies are in place here!
    • Israel Stevern... 2012/06/21 17:56:06
      Israel
      +4
      Actually, it has passed that and very soon we will double that with the immigrants, their four wives and 11-12 children they have for each wife. Few hospitals acutally deliberately end elderly people's lives, but because the government have made savage cuts to the nhs and trying to privatise it, doctors have to make cut backs and on the receiving end are the poor and elderly.
    • JCD aka... Israel 2012/06/21 22:31:43
      JCD aka "biz"
      You're talking about the present conservative government?

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