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  • elijahin24 2012/08/17 14:37:07
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    elijahin24
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    , but if he can blame SPLC for the shooting, I guess we can blame the Family Research Counsel for all of the attacks on gays, many of which end in murder.

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  • Cat 2012/08/20 01:04:39
    yes
    Cat
    Only extremely indirectly.
    Lets see the SPLC lists The FRC as a hate group, with no evidence of hate.
    Being against abortion is not hate.
    I mostly blame the shooter, but apparently he took his cues from the SPLC's prejudiced list, creating enough blame to go around.
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/08/19 10:29:48
  • sjalan 2012/08/18 06:26:07
    no
    sjalan
    I blame the Family Research Council for their HATE against homosexuals. HERE IS WHAT THEY ARE.

    *Family Research Council
    Washington, D.C.

    Started as a small think tank in 1983, the Family Research Council (FRC) merged in 1988 with the much larger religious-right group Focus on the Family in 1988, and brought on Gary Bauer, former U.S. undersecretary of education under Ronald Reagan, as president. In 1992, the two groups legally separated to protect Focus on the Family’s tax-exempt status, although Focus founder James Dobson and two other Focus officials were placed on the FRC’s newly independent board. By that time, FRC had become a powerful group on its own.

    Headed since 2003 by former Louisiana State Rep. Tony Perkins, the FRC has been a font of anti-gay propaganda throughout its history. It relies on the work of Robert Knight, who also worked at Concerned Women for America but now is at Coral Ridge Ministries (see above for both), along with that of FRC senior research fellows Tim Dailey (hired in 1999) and Peter Sprigg (2001). Both Dailey and Sprigg have pushed false accusations linking gay men to pedophilia: Sprigg has written that most men who engage in same-sex child molestation “identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual,” and Dailey and Sprigg devoted an entire c...









    I blame the Family Research Council for their HATE against homosexuals. HERE IS WHAT THEY ARE.

    *Family Research Council
    Washington, D.C.

    Started as a small think tank in 1983, the Family Research Council (FRC) merged in 1988 with the much larger religious-right group Focus on the Family in 1988, and brought on Gary Bauer, former U.S. undersecretary of education under Ronald Reagan, as president. In 1992, the two groups legally separated to protect Focus on the Family’s tax-exempt status, although Focus founder James Dobson and two other Focus officials were placed on the FRC’s newly independent board. By that time, FRC had become a powerful group on its own.

    Headed since 2003 by former Louisiana State Rep. Tony Perkins, the FRC has been a font of anti-gay propaganda throughout its history. It relies on the work of Robert Knight, who also worked at Concerned Women for America but now is at Coral Ridge Ministries (see above for both), along with that of FRC senior research fellows Tim Dailey (hired in 1999) and Peter Sprigg (2001). Both Dailey and Sprigg have pushed false accusations linking gay men to pedophilia: Sprigg has written that most men who engage in same-sex child molestation “identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual,” and Dailey and Sprigg devoted an entire chapter of their 2004 book Getting It Straight to similar material. The men claimed that “homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses” and similarly asserted that “homosexuals are attracted in inordinate numbers to boys.”

    That’s the least of it. In a 1999 publication (Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys) that has since disappeared from its website, the FRC claimed that “one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets’ of a new sexual order,” according to unrefuted research by AMERICAblog. The same publication argued that “homosexual activists publicly disassociate themselves from pedophiles as part of a public relations strategy.” FRC offered no evidence for these remarkable assertions, and has never publicly retracted the allegations. (The American Psychological Association, among others, has concluded that “homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are.”)

    In fact, in a Nov. 30, 2010, debate on MSNBC’s “Hardball with Chris Matthews” between Perkins and the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Mark Potok, Perkins defended FRC’s association of gay men with pedophilia, saying: “If you look at the American College of Pediatricians, they say the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a danger to children. So Mark is wrong. He needs to go back and do his own research.” In fact, the college, despite its hifalutin name, is a tiny, explicitly religious-right breakaway group from the American Academy of Pediatrics, the 60,000-member association of the profession. Publications of the American College of Pediatricians, which has some 200 members, have been roundly attacked by leading scientific authorities who say they are baseless and accuse the college of distorting and misrepresenting their work.

    Elsewhere, according to AMERICAblog, Knight, while working at the FRC, claimed that “[t]here is a strong current of pedophilia in the homosexual subculture. … [T]hey want to promote a promiscuous society.” AMERICAblog also reported that then-FRC official Yvette Cantu, in an interview published on Americans for Truth About Homosexuality’s website, said, “If they [gays and lesbians] had children, what would happen when they were too busy having their sex parties?”

    More recently, in March 2008, Sprigg, responding to a question about uniting gay partners during the immigration process, said: “I would much prefer to export homosexuals from the United States than to import them.” He later apologized, but then went on, last February, to tell MSNBC host Chris Matthews, “I think there would be a place for criminal sanctions on homosexual behavior.” “So we should outlaw gay behavior?” Matthews asked. “Yes,” Sprigg replied. At around the same time, Sprigg claimed that allowing gay people to serve openly in the military would lead to an increase in gay-on-straight sexual assaults.

    Perkins has his own unusual history. In 1996, while managing the U.S. Senate campaign of Republican State Rep. Louis “Woody” Jenkins of Louisiana, Perkins paid $82,500 to use the mailing list of former Klan chieftain David Duke. The campaign was fined $3,000 (reduced from $82,500) after Perkins and Jenkins filed false disclosure forms in a bid to hide the link to Duke. Five years later, on May 17, 2001, Perkins gave a speech to the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a white supremacist group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.” Perkins claimed not to know the group’s ideology at the time, but it had been widely publicized in Louisiana and the nation. In 1999, after Republican Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott was embroiled in a national scandal over his ties to the group, GOP chairman Jim Nicholson urged Republicans to quit the CCC because of its “racist views.” That statement and the nationally publicized Lott controversy came two years before Perkins’ 2001 speech.
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  • ProudProgressive 2012/08/17 20:02:28
    no
    ProudProgressive
    That's a little ridiculous. The Southern Poverty Law Center is one of the most respected civil rights organizations in the country. The fact that they have identified FRC as a hate group is because FRC is a hate group which deliberately spreads false anti-gay and other anti-civil rights propaganda and encourages hostility towards homosexuals and others. If it turns out that the shooter chose his target because of FRC's political stances (which seems likely, though the authorities haven't yet confirmed that) then that still has nothing to do with SPLC's reporting.

    Remember, calling a racist a racist isn't racism.
  • reaper 2012/08/17 19:04:04 (edited)
    no
    reaper
    +1
    other wise I'm just going to say groups like Family Research Counsel are to blame for stuff like this. oh wait they are because they actually encourage it.

    wise sat groups family research counsel blame wait encourage
  • mach 2012/08/17 14:43:14
    no
    mach
    +2
    Perkins is Satan in sheeps clothing, and knows without a doubt the controversy he and his organization stirs up, and that deserves the action taken by the SPLC.
  • elijahin24 2012/08/17 14:37:07
    no
    elijahin24
    +3
    , but if he can blame SPLC for the shooting, I guess we can blame the Family Research Counsel for all of the attacks on gays, many of which end in murder.
  • Schläue~© elijahin24 2012/08/17 14:47:19
    Schläue~©
    Where have they said ANYTHING about the gay community?

    They haven't. They have promoted what THEY support and the values and morals they believe in.
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 15:23:01
    elijahin24
    +3
    *Their president, Tony Perkins, says that anti-bullying campaigns are bad because they provide "active affirmation of homosexual conduct and their efforts to redefine the family." (That ole "gay agenda" thingie).

    *Research fellow Tim Daley links homosexuality to pedophilia.

    *Senior Research Fellow Peter Sprigg promotes reparative therapy for gays (programs, like Exodus International, that Dan Cathy contributes to) and advocates criminalization of gay "behavior."

    “Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
    — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

    “[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
    — Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

    “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
    -1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

    “[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
    — Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

    “While activists like to claim that ped...




    *Their president, Tony Perkins, says that anti-bullying campaigns are bad because they provide "active affirmation of homosexual conduct and their efforts to redefine the family." (That ole "gay agenda" thingie).

    *Research fellow Tim Daley links homosexuality to pedophilia.

    *Senior Research Fellow Peter Sprigg promotes reparative therapy for gays (programs, like Exodus International, that Dan Cathy contributes to) and advocates criminalization of gay "behavior."

    “Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
    — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

    “[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
    — Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

    “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
    -1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

    “[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
    — Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

    “While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
    — FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org...

    I actually stole these, from a post from Lurx. But since he'd already done the work, there was no need for me to.do it.
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  • Schläue~© elijahin24 2012/08/17 15:56:04
    Schläue~©
    Great,... and where in all of that are they attacking any specific group, organization or individual?
    They are merely putting forth what their personal views are and promoting their own morals & values.
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 16:50:46
    elijahin24
    +2
    Fine. By your logic, the SPLC is mearly putting forth their personal view that the FRC is a hate group. What's the problem here? OOOOOOH I get it. Your standards of right and wrong only applies to OTHER people, not to your guys. My mistake.
  • Schläue~© elijahin24 2012/08/17 16:56:16
    Schläue~©
    You can repeat your diatribe 100 times and it still wont change the fact that you're 100% dead wrong.

    You're merely parroting exactly what the SPLC has done
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 17:13:30
    elijahin24
    +2
    Because they're right. Nothing you have said, in any way refutes their point. You can defend hate all you like, it only makes you hateful too. It doesn't persuade anyone to your bigoted point. The FRC is a hate group. The SPLC is right. The only difference between these guys, and the Ku Klux Klan, is that they have a better name, and they set the stage for people who are not in their ranks, to do their dirty work for them. Otherwise, it's the exact same thing.
  • ProudPr... elijahin24 2012/08/17 20:11:16
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    You won't get anywhere with this one. He's allergic to facts. But at least he took off the phony soldier suit finally.
  • elijahin24 ProudPr... 2012/08/18 00:34:01
    elijahin24
    You're probably right.
  • Psyblade elijahin24 2012/08/17 15:52:36 (edited)
    Psyblade
    +2
    Exactly. Their attempted demonization of homosexuals constantly leads to ignorance, prejudice, and violence. It's sickening.
  • Schläue~© Psyblade 2012/08/17 15:58:36
    Schläue~©
    Exactly how?
    Provide ANY instance where they have singled out and attacked any particular group, organization or individual.
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 16:51:54
    elijahin24
    +3
    Gays are a group, Einstein. Are you new?
  • Schläue~© elijahin24 2012/08/17 16:57:36
    Schläue~©
    Really,,.... ? Where does one sign up? Do they hand out bumper-stickers to plaster on your forehead or just issue a peacock uniform?
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 17:15:37
    elijahin24
    +2
    So I suppose African-Americans are not a group either? How about women? How about Christians? These bigots target gays. If you can't see that, you're a fool. But I don't think you're a fool. I think you see it as clear as day; and you simply choose not to acknowledge it. That makes you a bigot. You would have served this world far better as stem-cells.
  • Psyblade Schläue~© 2012/08/17 17:24:09
    Psyblade
    In response to your "Where does one sign up? Do they hand out bumper-stickers to plaster on your forehead or just issue a peacock uniform?" comment:


    facepalm
  • Psyblade Schläue~© 2012/08/17 17:10:48 (edited)
    Psyblade
    +2
    Dude, seriously? They gave financial support toward a law in Uganda that makes homosexuality a crime punishable by death. They spread false propoganda about gay people; slandering them in order to influence people to deny them equal rights.

    Explain to me how that's not attacking a group of people.

    You want more specific examples? Refer to the ones that elijahin24 already gave you.
  • Odinsown 2012/08/17 14:17:04
    no
    Odinsown
    +1
    The only person to blame for the shooting OS the shooter.
  • Idiot repubs 2012/08/17 12:36:25
    no
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    It's the NRA that wants the mentally ill to be armed.
  • Schläue~© Idiot r... 2012/08/17 13:01:14
    Schläue~©
    As usual,... you spew bullsh!t.

    Did nurse Feelgood stop by early today and hit you with a double dose?
  • Idiot r... Schläue~© 2012/08/17 19:50:08
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    The NRA wants everyone armed, be careful what you wish for.
  • Schläue~© 2012/08/17 12:04:56
    no
    Schläue~©
    +2
    I'll say I don't agree because that's not what he said. He clearly states "I'm not saying that the SPLC is responsible for the shooting, they are responsible for creating the environment that lead to yesterday's shooting".

    The difference is, FRC is an organization that promotes their views about morals and family values. SPLC is an attack organization that targets other groups and individuals.
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 14:39:01
    elijahin24
    +3
    Very well then. By that same logic, I can say that the FRC has created the environment that has led to the abuse assault and murder of dozens of homosexuals over the course of its existence.
  • Schläue~© elijahin24 2012/08/17 14:45:44
    Schläue~©
    Absolutely not.
    They are not out targeting anyone, merely supporting their own ideals. They don't list any groups, organizations or demographic that they're 'out to get'.

    You need to understand the difference between standing up for and promoting what you believe in, vs. attacking others and trying to suppress their views.
  • elijahin24 Schläue~© 2012/08/17 15:24:59
    elijahin24
    +3
    So giving money to a group which got a law passed in Uganda which makes homosexuality a CAPITAL offense, isn't attacking anyone? Pushing laws in THIS country, which makes gay sex a crime, isn't attacking anyone? Please. You can split hairs all you like. It won't change what they do.
  • ProudPr... elijahin24 2012/08/17 20:14:31
    ProudProgressive
    LOL I love how he calls SPLC, one of the most respected civil rights organizations in the country, an "attack organization" simply for identifying the hate groups in our society.

    Don't ANY of them realize that calling a racist a racist is NOT racism?
  • elijahin24 ProudPr... 2012/08/18 00:34:52
    elijahin24
    They can't accept that fact. If they do, they concede that they are, themselves, racist.
  • Psyblade 2012/08/17 11:13:43 (edited)
    no
    Psyblade
    +1
    To quote Xrlxr's comment on this video:


    "They spread false propoganda calling gay people pedophiles, claiming that it has shortend their lives, that all supporters want to repeal all age of consent laws, lobby against the condemnation of the "kill the gays" law, that they abuse children, etc.... And somehow its SPLC's fault for the anger towards them."
  • lurx: the soda jerk 2012/08/17 11:07:08
    no
    lurx: the soda jerk
    +1
    *Their president, Tony Perkins, says that anti-bullying campaigns are bad because they provide "active affirmation of homosexual conduct and their efforts to redefine the family." (That ole "gay agenda" thingie).

    *Research fellow Tim Daley links homosexuality to pedophilia.

    *Senior Research Fellow Peter Sprigg promotes reparative therapy for gays (programs, like Exodus International, that Dan Cathy contributes to) and advocates criminalization of gay "behavior."

    “Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
    — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

    “[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
    — Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

    “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
    -1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

    “[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
    — Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

    “While activists l...



    *Their president, Tony Perkins, says that anti-bullying campaigns are bad because they provide "active affirmation of homosexual conduct and their efforts to redefine the family." (That ole "gay agenda" thingie).

    *Research fellow Tim Daley links homosexuality to pedophilia.

    *Senior Research Fellow Peter Sprigg promotes reparative therapy for gays (programs, like Exodus International, that Dan Cathy contributes to) and advocates criminalization of gay "behavior."

    “Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.”
    — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

    “[Homosexuality] … embodies a deep-seated hatred against true religion.”
    — Steven Schwalm, FRC senior writer and analyst, in “Desecrating Corpus Christi,” 1999

    “One of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets' of a new sexual order.”
    -1999 FRC pamphlet, Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex with Boys.

    “[T]he evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners.”
    — Timothy Dailey, senior research fellow, “Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse,” 2002

    “While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.”
    — FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org...

    ...sounds like a hate group to me.
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  • elijahin24 lurx: t... 2012/08/17 15:11:09
    elijahin24
    +2
    I need to borrow these quotes. Look above to see why.
  • lurx: t... elijahin24 2012/08/17 15:17:32
    lurx: the soda jerk
    ...go right ahead.

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