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TODAY IS THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACKS ON GAZA JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE"

VICTORIA December 26, 2009 22:31:23
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JEWISH VOICE OF PEACE
The bombing of Gaza started one year ago today. And every time I tuck my own son into bed, I think of Mohammed Shurrab, and the other parents like him who I met in Gaza, in Silwan in East Jerusalem, in South Hebron in the West Bank.

I think about the Israeli soldiers sent to Gaza and Hebron, some taught to hate, most simply armed and scared, the responsibility for enforcing occupation on their young shoulders; and the people in the south of Israel fleeing to shelters every time they hear the air raid sirens warning of Qassam rockets.

I think about the Gazan mothers who had nowhere else to go, who clutched their children in apartment hallways each night as bombs fell overhead-- and I remember the deliberate destruction of Gaza's factories, schools, hospitals and administrative buildings that I saw with my own eyes.

In the next few days, in an effort to call the world's attention to the continuing disaster in Gaza, over thirteen hundred people from 42 countries, including many JVP supporters, will arrive in Egypt and Israel to participate in the Gaza Freedom March on December 31. The Egyptian government is threatening to pull the plug on the march. We've mobilized supporters to pressure them to let marchers through. But no matter what happens at the border -- like you, like everyone in the march, we at JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE won't forget, we won't deny, and we won't desert.
THE PUBLIC COMMITTEE AGAINST TORTURE IN ISRAEL
http://www.electronicintifada.net/downloads/pdf/091204-pcati-...

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  • VICTORIA December 27, 2009 00:24:38 (edited)
    GAZANS ARE HUMANS TOO
    VICTORIA
    +6
    Last year on this date the Israeli Defense Forces started an operation that culminated in 1,440 dead Gazans.



    Half of those, women and children.



    3 Israeli deaths were reported.



    It appears that Remember These Children has not yet documented a number of the Palestinian children killed during Israel's Dec 27, 2008 - Jan 18, 2009 assault on Gaza. They report only 269 of the Palestinian children killed during that time (and an additional 9 who later died from wounds inflicted during that time period). B'Tselem has documented that ISRAEL KILLED 345 PALESTINIAN CHILDREN IN GAZA during this time. We do not doubt the validity of this higher number as they are extremely careful in their documentation. (Read their report.) http://www.ifamericansknew.or...



    “The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”



    Here is the report from the Israel watchdog agency.

    http://www.btselem.org/Downlo...

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  • JBousaid February 10, 2010 02:33:14
    GAZANS ARE HUMANS TOO
    JBousaid
    +1
    People as a whole need to learn to live and let live. We all need peace.
  • VICTORIA JBousaid March 14, 2010 21:36:38
  • XENON23 December 30, 2009 05:34:47
    ISRAELIS ARE HUMANS TOO
    XENON23
    +1
    Hamas are the murderers not the Jews. You guys get the land back and then you wreck it and bomb Jews from the land you were given. Wow.....so smart!!
  • Hanane XENON23 December 30, 2009 09:07:08
  • VICTORIA Hanane December 30, 2009 09:46:01
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Powerful and scary pics. More for what they don't show, don't say.
    WHat we know is behind them-
    Seems like just a fun outing, signing bombs with love...
  • Hanane VICTORIA December 30, 2009 10:00:12 (edited)
    Hanane
    +2
    you see they are killing babies and women and men then says we are the terrorists
  • VICTORIA Hanane December 30, 2009 10:10:23
    VICTORIA
    +1
    The abused has become the abuser.
    I liken the mentality to pedophilia.

    The Jewish people were horribly traumatized.
    But instead of developing strong compassion for others who are oppressed,
    they took that pain out on an innocent bystander.

    And now the abused, has grown into - the abuser.
  • Hanane VICTORIA December 30, 2009 15:24:31
    Hanane
    +1
    you are completly right
    their developed is all about" black power" and then they tell THE WORLD WE WANT PEACE "YAKH Representation of boring"
  • SpyderX Hanane January 10, 2010 06:06:43
    SpyderX
    +1
    The Jews INVENTED terrorism while under Roman rule two thousand years ago. They used to attack Roman sentries, subdue them, then decapitate them and stick their heads on pikes in the middle of the streets.

    Wa 'alaikum assalam wa rahmatu Allah, friend.
  • Hanane SpyderX January 10, 2010 15:28:27
    Hanane
    +1
    in thier torah there are verses says that the anti jewish are not human and they have to erase them
    so they think they r perfect and........................
    as you said they torture Roman people the same in palesinian people
    and you are completly right they invented terrorist and try to hide it bu muslims
    Salam
  • VICTORIA Hanane March 14, 2010 21:49:50
    VICTORIA
    +2

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    Well, there are some ugly Talmudic verses-
    but people find some pretty horrific hadeeth too-

    Here is a hopeful sign-

    http://failedmessiah.typepad....
  • SpyderX VICTORIA March 15, 2010 02:59:31
    SpyderX
    +1
    You are precisely right, my friend. Every religion has been used at one time or another to justify atrocities toward other peoples. Just look at all the people murdered in the name of Christ over the centuries.

    It's a shame that all religions teach love, peace, and tolerance, yet few of the adherents of the various religions actually live what their religion teaches. That's not an indictment against religion; it's an indictment against mankind....
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 15, 2010 13:38:44
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Well and truly said Spydey.

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  • SpyderX VICTORIA March 16, 2010 04:21:49
    SpyderX
    +1
    TY, my friend. Truth is truth, whether people choose to believe it or not.
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 16, 2010 04:25:31
    VICTORIA
    She's still busy with you below old chum.
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 14, 2010 21:37:16
  • SpyderX VICTORIA March 15, 2010 02:53:11
    SpyderX
    +1
    Why, thank you, my friend.
  • SpyderX December 29, 2009 06:07:02
    GAZANS ARE HUMANS TOO
    SpyderX
    +1
    I believe the nation of Israel is one of the biggest war mongers on the planet. They continually rant and rave about the holocaust while waging war on more-or-less defenseless societies. Does anyone remember when they tried to invade Egypt? Or when they tried to take over the Sinai Peninsula? I think one of America's biggest blunders is supporting Israel.
  • VICTORIA SpyderX December 30, 2009 09:48:31 (edited)
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Thanks my friend
  • SpyderX VICTORIA January 10, 2010 06:00:50
    SpyderX
    +1
    NP. Trust this: I believe Palestine has a lot more support over here than they think they do.
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 14, 2010 21:55:28
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Here's an interesting story of like minds- http://failedmessiah.typepad....

    http://www.jewishfriendspales...

    http://www.taayush.org/

    http://desertpeace.wordpress....

    And my own local-
    http://www.jewishvoiceforpeac...

    Americans imagine that all Jews in Israel are Likudnik rightwingers.

    Israelis are actually living it- and by no means are all anti-Palestinian-
    they cannot afford the ideological luxury that most Americans have- and are often shocked at how monolithic we are.
  • FairLady SpyderX March 12, 2010 00:17:37 (edited)
    FairLady


    Got the message? Israel is strong and will live happily forever, whether you go out of yourself from hatred. Duhhh.... Go go steam ....

    message israel strong live happily hatred duhhh steam
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 14, 2010 21:57:24
    VICTORIA
    I think you're missing the big picture- even Israelis do not hold such an extreme position.

    Americans imagine that all Jews in Israel are Likudnik rightwingers.

    Israelis are actually living it- and by no means are all anti-Palestinian-
    they cannot afford the ideological luxury that most Americans have- and are often shocked at how monolithic we are.

    http://www.jewishvoiceforpeac...

    http://www.jewishfriendspales...
  • SpyderX FairLady March 15, 2010 02:52:27
    SpyderX
    +1
    Tell that to that family in New York whose teenage son was brutally tortured and murdered by two Jewish teenagers who then fled to Israel where there is no extradition treaty. They got away with a brutal murder on American soil and are now being sheltered by the nation of Israel.

    I'm not saying that all Jews are bad people. Two of my best friends are Jewish, and they too disagree with Jewish people committing crimes elsewhere and then running to Israel to escape punishment. And the simple fact of the matter is this: every major conflict that Israel has been involved in has been STARTED by Israel. Israel doesn't want to be left alone; they want to rule the Middle East, period.
  • FairLady SpyderX March 15, 2010 04:05:56
    FairLady
    +1
    OMG.. such a lie about "rule the Middle East". You don't know what the heck you are saying.

    If someone was beaten by the Jewish kids it doesn't mean the "organization of training the terrorists".

    You heard only one side of the story about the Jewish teens. You don't know the entire truth and you can not use it to your advantage. To judge the teens you must listen to the full true story. Otherwise don't take a charge role on yourself. May be they did it in self-defense?
  • SpyderX FairLady March 15, 2010 05:11:20
    SpyderX
    +1
    You don't kidnap a young person, tie them up in your garage, beat them to death, hack their body up and stuff the parts in a 55 gallon barrel in "self defense". If they had reason for their actions, then why run and hide in Israel? Why have they been convicted in absentia by an American court?

    There are countless Jewish criminals hiding in Israel so they cannot be punished for their crimes. That's a cold, hard fact, whether you accept it or not.

    If they don't want to rule the Middle East, then why do they always want to invade every country in the region? Did you forget about when they tried to invade Egypt? Did you forget about when they tried to take over the Sinai peninsula? Do you remember any history at all?

    BTW, the story about the Jewish teens was on America's Most Wanted, so, yeah, you're right, it was probably a total fabrication... NOT!

    But don't get me wrong. I'm not necessarily saying that all Jewish people are bad - that would be ludicrous. But the nation of Israel, as a general rule, is ran by self-righteous war mongers, regardless of all their talk about peace. They preach it, but they never practice it....
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 15, 2010 13:45:50
    VICTORIA
    I think she got confused about where she is posting, and to whom.

    "If someone was beaten by the Jewish kids it doesn't mean the "organization of training the terrorists".

    You never mentioned an organization of terrorists-
    She followed me here because I commented on her question.
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    What is dreadfully contradictory though- is the softpedaling here.

    Brutal torture and murder becomes simply " If someone was beaten"

    IF someone was beaten-
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 15, 2010 13:48:00
    VICTORIA
    +1
    I'm in NJ and lived in NY the past several years. I never heard this story. It seems like it should have been on the news, and I'm a news junkie.
  • SpyderX VICTORIA March 16, 2010 04:25:13
    SpyderX
    +1
    I think the actual crime was committed some years ago. I just saw it profiled on America's Most Wanted a while back (it may have even been a rerun for all I know). But the fact is this: it happened, and that's an awful truth that supporters of Israel must face, whether they accept it or not.
  • VICTORIA SpyderX March 16, 2010 04:27:31
    VICTORIA
    That's okay. A story is a story- to me- the detail of no extradition is the remarkable part of it.
    I spoke for you below- hope I got it right-

    "His point wasn't defaming Jewish people.
    His point was giving an example of how America turns a blind eye to the crimes of Israel- even when it's against their own people on their own land."
  • FairLady SpyderX March 15, 2010 16:33:39 (edited)
    FairLady
    SpyderX, I absolutely don't deny there are local criminals in Israel.

    But be objective, in such a city as New York you really don't know the actual statistics between Jewish people and not Jewish people - who killed whom. All I want you to do is be objective and not to take one isolated incident with the Jewish teens. The only thing you do by singling out this incident is you spread anti-semitism in America.

    I can post a list of all the cases when the innocent Jewish kids were killed or injuired by the Americans. But you don't want to hear it do you?

    Be objective and don't spread anti-semitism. WE have enough of this crap.
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 15, 2010 18:05:50
    VICTORIA
    His point wasn't defaming Jewish people.
    His point was giving an example of how America turns a blind eye to the crimes of Israel- even when it's against their own people on their own land.

    We're a bit more sophisticated in this forum.
    That old canard of anti-semitism simply won't work here as a silencer of criticism.

    We're not, and that's that.

    In this forum- you actually have to prove your point with logic and reason.

    If you think that is anti-semitism, you have lived an extremely pampered life.

    Americans imagine that all Jews in Israel are Likudnik rightwingers.

    Israelis are actually living it- and by no means are all anti-Palestinian-
    they cannot afford the ideological luxury that most Americans have- and are often shocked at how monolithic we are.
  • FairLady VICTORIA March 15, 2010 19:27:44
    FairLady
    +1
    Victoria, you forgot where he started from.. He started from New York where someone was killed by the Jewish teens. By no means I defend any killings in civil life, but he can not be a judge singling out 1 occasion.
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 16, 2010 04:17:24
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Actually, this is where he started from. I know because he said it to me above.

    You are precisely right, my friend. Every religion has been used at one time or another to justify atrocities toward other peoples. Just look at all the people murdered in the name of Christ over the centuries.

    It's a shame that all religions teach love, peace, and tolerance, yet few of the adherents of the various religions actually live what their religion teaches. That's not an indictment against religion; it's an indictment against mankind....
  • FairLady VICTORIA March 16, 2010 16:50:14
    FairLady
    +1
    I agree with you Victoria.
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 16, 2010 17:11:27
    VICTORIA
    Thanks! But those were Spyder X's words! I'm just the messenger!
    BUT_

    THIS is the little window of opportunity and accord that I live for.
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 16, 2010 04:19:13
    VICTORIA
    If you read the posts above- we were both citing examples of excellent Jewish people who are compassionate and good.

    You interrupted our conversation with this comment-

    "Got the message? Israel is strong and will live happily forever, whether you go out of yourself from hatred. Duhhh.... "

    It was intrusive, it was aggressive, and it projected hatred where none existed.
  • FairLady VICTORIA March 16, 2010 16:52:53
    FairLady
    +1
    Victoria, I should admit it's my natural reaction when Israel is attacked unfairly. I apologize if it sounded aggressive.
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 16, 2010 17:17:56
    VICTORIA
    ooo- I accept happily. I'm going to make some neutral comments because this is a pet peeve of mine- and I'm not trying to dismantle your apology as I will presume it is given with the best possible intent.

    How something sounds, or how I perceive it- is something only I control-
    No one has the ability nor is responsible for my perceptions.
    So apologizing for how something sounds- it's not really possible.
    To me- apologies must contain some elements-

    First, one accepts personal responsibility and accountability for one's own direct actions or words.
    Second, one shows genuine remorse for admission of offensive action or word.

    And, my own personal third, which I do not hold others to but practice myself-
    is to recompense in some way.
    But, it wasn't said to me- so it's not under my purview to accept or reject, as I wasn't the receiver.

    But thank you for that all the same.
  • VICTORIA FairLady March 16, 2010 17:20:12
    VICTORIA
    I have to insert here- this post isn't really about Israel.
    Maybe you didn't read the article.
    It is solely and only about the Gazans people.
    So whether Israel is attacked fairly or unfairly- that is debatable.

    And let me also point out- the article was written by Israelis.

    I let people define themselves, and also criticize themselves.

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