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Israel should apologize to Turkey.
No, Israel should not apologize.
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Turkey's demand that Israel apologize for the fatal interception of a flotilla, which attempted to break a Gaza blockade, was rebuffed.

According to CNN: "Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu [said] that Turkey would "cut off relations" with Israel unless "they either apologize or accept an international commission and its report...(The) Israelis have three options: They will either apologize or acknowledge an international-impartial inquiry and its conclusion. Otherwise, our diplomatic ties will be cut off."

An Israel official told CNN that the country would not apologize for the incident. Nine Turkish citizens were killed and several Israeli soldiers were injured in the interception, with passengers saying the killings were unprovoked while Israel said passengers attacked them.

The botched raid in May increased tensions with the United States and led to global condemnation of Israel. The Jewish state says that terrorists were using the port to smuggle in weapons and explosives to use against it.

Israel has eased restrictions on the blockade, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will meet with President Barack Obama this week.



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  • Anselmo1 2010/07/06 15:37:09
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    Anselmo1
    +21
    The Arab terrorists in Gaza are supported by Iran that promotes the complete destruction of the Nation of Israel. Israel is literally fighting for its life as a nation.
    The UN has been Pro Arab as well as the Obama administration to the point that it is virtually disgusting. Israel under any circumstance should NOT apologize.

    nation pro arab obama administration virtually disgusting israel circumstance apologize

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  • george 2010/07/10 06:43:57 (edited)
    Israel should apologize to Turkey.
    george
    +1
    Israel has no right to stop humanitarian Aid in whatever way. Israel has to applologize to the civilian of Gaza for not delivering the list of items that was eased later to enter Gaza (50% increase in the Aid Trucks)

    second of all they should also applogize for troumendous increase in the unemployment rate in gaza since 2000.
  • fuzzy K... george 2010/07/14 15:04:36
    fuzzy Ken "In G*d We Trust"
    The flotilla was not about aid. It's primary purpose, according to the IHH was to break the blockade. For weeks prior to the incident Israel begged the IHH to deliver the aid by any number of options available including offloading in an Israeli port and transporting to Gaza by land all under the watch of the IHH and the UN. When the goods were finally offloaded they totaled only a percentage of one day's goods that flow into Gaza. Much of the medical supplies was expired.

    Why did the unemployment rate in Gaza go up in 2000? Think it had anything to do with the 2000 intifada? Israelis are under no obligation to hire someone who may sympathize with or be a brutal killer.
    gaza 2000 2000 intifada israelis obligation hire sympathize brutal killer
  • Raven 2010/07/08 07:53:28
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    Raven
    +2
    Turkey should apologize to Israel
  • Isma'ila (God has heard)! 2010/07/08 06:13:07
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    Isma'ila (God has heard)!
    +1
    Israel should not apologize for defending themselves!
  • observer 2010/07/07 21:31:28
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    observer
    +2
    Israel has nothing to apologize for. Turkey should apologize to Israel for trying to break the security blockade imposed by Israel on Gaza.
  • bean 2010/07/07 13:41:31
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    bean
    +1
    Sure and then the US should apologize for its actions ? NOT If a flotilla from the Middle East showed up in NY harbor heading for Manhattan.....do you think it would or SHOULD be any differnet...when an authority such as police or military say STOP ..cease your action...you do it or face the consequences....sort out the legalitly later .
  • Domino 2010/07/07 13:34:31
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    Domino
    +1
    the Turks --acted aggressively---so what do you expect the other side to do!!!
  • Haley 2010/07/07 13:26:53
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    Haley
    +1
    Bite me turkey
  • The_Edge 2010/07/07 13:21:34
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    The_Edge
    +1
    There is no reason for Israel to apologize to anyone. The contrived flotilla event backfired on the anti-Israeli forces in this government as well as Turkey's as the pro-palestinian movement tried to run a PR bluff on the world stage and got handed their ass. They were lucky Bebe didn't really get pissed.
  • Haley The_Edge 2010/07/07 13:28:22
    Haley
    +1
    I totally i agree that this was an attempt to destroy israel's PR but i think it was somewhat successful, which sucks.
  • AndyWolf 2010/07/07 13:10:46
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    AndyWolf
    +1
    How do you say "badass" in hebrew?
  • Einstein 2010/07/07 13:06:17
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    Einstein
    They should act more like we did at the beginning of the century... WORLD POLICE
  • temest 2010/07/07 12:32:33
    Israel should apologize to Turkey.
    temest
    +1
    It's a mute question. Israel would never apologize to anyone about anything. They would rather nuke themselves vs. apologizing.
  • The_Edge temest 2010/07/07 13:22:36
    The_Edge
    Yes, not at all like the USA under this contemptible, incompetent, narcissistic, egomaniac we have as President.
  • President Camacho 2010/07/07 11:54:45
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    President Camacho
    +2
    No, Israel is the only shining light of freedom and justice in the middle east.
  • nightlight 2010/07/07 10:58:48
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    nightlight
    +4
    Israel has done nothing wrong; it has nothing to apologize for. The Muslims on the ship on which the shootings occured had ties to terrorist organizations and had come prepared to engage in violence. They attacked the Israelis first and the Israelis only acted in self defense to save their lives. The violence was planned by the Muslims beforehand to create anti-Israel propaganda.
  • RorschachJustice 2010/07/07 10:58:39
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    RorschachJustice
    +2
    I apologize for giving Barry Hussein Obama to the world. Reporter Asks Obama if “Distancing From Israel Was a Mistake”… Barry Hussein Obama replies: "Fo-Sho." This guys is an Idiot.
  • obammyfortoiletcleaner 2010/07/07 10:57:17
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    obammyfortoiletcleaner
    +3
    Hell NO!
  • TheJoker 2010/07/07 10:46:32
    Israel should apologize to Turkey.
    TheJoker
    +1
    I believe that Israel probably should appologise to Turkey..... I'm not saying that Israel was to blame for this incident, & the Turkish also have to shoulder their share of the responsibility but sometimes, in the interest of foreign affairs & stability, a nation has to do something it would rather not. It's called diplomacy.
  • nightlight TheJoker 2010/07/07 11:02:31
    nightlight
    +2
    If Israel wasn't to blame, why do you believe that they should apologize. Practicing diplomacy doesn't include lying.
  • TheJoker nightlight 2010/07/07 11:15:44
    TheJoker
    Well, the world is not black & white. Israel were responsible for how they handled the incident, & they utterly bodged it & ended up killing civilians. Fine, they were loony, bearded civilians who attacked the Israeli troops, but I hold special forces & a nations army to higher standards than I do civilians. Basically, everyone involved in this is to blame, to varying degrees. If Israel apologised for it's part, then perhaps some of the heat could be taken out of the situation, allowing Turkey to take a less aggressive stance. I just don’t see that maintaining their position is going to do the Israeli's any good in either the long, or short term.
  • The_Edge TheJoker 2010/07/07 13:23:58
    The_Edge
    +1
    Not in the Middle East. It is called being a wuss and it will get you no respect. Something Little Barry with his total lack of any experience on the world stage doesn't get (along with about everything else).
  • TheJoker The_Edge 2010/07/07 15:17:33
    TheJoker
    Well..... all I can say in response is that the traditional hardline US / Israeli approach hasnt worked up till now, & I cant really see why it would in the future. Hehehe, Little Barry, I like it :)
  • The_Edge TheJoker 2010/07/07 18:39:13
    The_Edge
    +2
    It has worked or the middle east already would have been a parking lot. If you were to look into history, try to find one single instance in any cease fire between Israel and the Palestinians that Israel broke first.
  • TheJoker The_Edge 2010/07/08 09:15:30
    TheJoker
    +1
    You are right, but I more meant at a strategic level.
  • PDenoli 2010/07/07 10:28:44
    Israel should apologize to Turkey.
    PDenoli
    +2
    Turkey should apologize first for promoting a violent challenge to Israel's security blockade. Unless the two nations are at war, that was inappropriate.

    Next, Israel should apologize for responding with paintball guns and permitting the situation to escalate to the point that real guns were required and people were killed.

    Both sides acted in a regrettable fashion and it would be appropriate for both sides to express regret, if not an outright apology.
  • TheJoker PDenoli 2010/07/07 10:43:59
    TheJoker
    Excellent answer!
  • nightlight PDenoli 2010/07/07 11:05:58
    nightlight
    +2
    The situation escalated to the point that real guns were needed only because the Muslims on board that ship violently attacked the Israelis as they boarded and were threatening the Israelis' lives.
  • PDenoli nightlight 2010/07/07 11:11:43
    PDenoli
    And that's why Turkey should apologize. If any country's citizens confront another with arms, that country should apologize unless they're intentions are equally hostile.

    That said, you don't go into a hostile situation with squirt guns and expect things to end well. Israel should apologize for treating that operation like a joke and for failing to control the situation. If you're on a ship and strangers start jumping down from the sky, your first reaction will be to defend yourself.

    Even though "armed humanitarian aid" is a farce, Israel should have expected SOME struggle and failed to prepare adequately. It's unprofessional and as we've seen - dangerous. An apology is not only appropriate, it would reduce tensions in the area by allowing the other side to save face... after they apologize.
  • The_Edge PDenoli 2010/07/07 18:45:59
    The_Edge
    Empty apologies are viewed as the act of cowards in the middle East. It only helps the agressor and demeans the other. It accomplishes nothing. The "apology" culture, especially as exacerbated by the Child-In-Chief of the USA is a Western cultural anomaly not understood by the Arabic culture and viewed as a weakness.
  • PDenoli The_Edge 2010/07/07 20:07:32
    PDenoli
    What's empty about it? They should be ashamed for the amateurish response.
  • The_Edge nightlight 2010/07/07 18:41:26
    The_Edge
    Give this man a cheroot. I agree.
  • The_Edge PDenoli 2010/07/07 18:41:05
    The_Edge
    +1
    I raved you, but I don't agree with your analysis. Israel was duped and lured into this debacle. They were quickly thrown into a defensive state and they acted according to the necessity of survival. This was not Israel escalation at all, but a very well contrived ruse to make them look bad. The escalation was from the supposed "innocents".
  • PDenoli The_Edge 2010/07/07 21:08:05
    PDenoli
    If you honestly believe the use of toy weapons made absolutely no difference in the outcome of this situation, fine. Israel has no reason to apologize. Perhaps all soldiers can discard their Tavors and replace them with Tonkas.

    On the other hand, if you concede that treating this situation professionally (including the use of professional arms) would have resulted in a different result, I question the true nature of our disagreement.

    Should Israel be praised for being duped? Should they be made to feel proud of "arming" military men with paintball guns as though they are children going off to summer camp?!?! Yes, these are strawman arguments, but certainly you would not suggest we praise Israel for such incompetence. Yes? Okay!

    So then what is the proper response when you make fundamental errors in judgment, strategy, tactics, and when you attempt to "commandeer" a vessel with toys instead of real weapons? Let's contemplate this.

    You say: "Israel was duped and lured into this debacle. They were quickly thrown into a defensive state and they acted according to the necessity of survival. This was not Israel escalation at all, but a very well contrived ruse to make them look bad."

    Perhaps you are correct, then. Perhaps it would be wrong to apologize and pretend that Israel had...











    If you honestly believe the use of toy weapons made absolutely no difference in the outcome of this situation, fine. Israel has no reason to apologize. Perhaps all soldiers can discard their Tavors and replace them with Tonkas.

    On the other hand, if you concede that treating this situation professionally (including the use of professional arms) would have resulted in a different result, I question the true nature of our disagreement.

    Should Israel be praised for being duped? Should they be made to feel proud of "arming" military men with paintball guns as though they are children going off to summer camp?!?! Yes, these are strawman arguments, but certainly you would not suggest we praise Israel for such incompetence. Yes? Okay!

    So then what is the proper response when you make fundamental errors in judgment, strategy, tactics, and when you attempt to "commandeer" a vessel with toys instead of real weapons? Let's contemplate this.

    You say: "Israel was duped and lured into this debacle. They were quickly thrown into a defensive state and they acted according to the necessity of survival. This was not Israel escalation at all, but a very well contrived ruse to make them look bad."

    Perhaps you are correct, then. Perhaps it would be wrong to apologize and pretend that Israel had any chance of controlling this situation. And since apologies are the old and weak way of doing things, perhaps the new strong way to handle a situation like this is to claim you have no capacity to control the situation, no responsibility for anything, not even your own actions. In fact, the situation is so far out of your control that it makes no sense to apologize for how you handled it. NO! The right thing to do is to make a case that you are a helpless victim to be pitied.

    You were with me right until I used the words. "Helpless and pitied." But isn't that the basis of the point you are making? Tell me I'm wrong, but it seems clear that you feel Israel was controlled by events and was not in control of them. Read your own words and tell me if those words are the new way of projecting strength.

    I will call that "Strength through pity" because I don't know how else to describe it.

    In another post you say apologies are "...viewed as the act of cowards in the middle East." Yes and no. This is not a complete truth. While groveling is the act of a coward, admitting a lapse of seriousness and attention to duty, or promising greater professionalism in future encounters is hardly the sign of weakness. In fact, the most powerful thing Israel could have said is that they made a terrible mistake and will no longer bother boarding vessels that seek to violate the blockade and refuse to turn around. It is clear they should have been sunk. That is how a nation should be governed.

    And when Turkey or Iran send their military escorts there will be no ambiguity that this is a military action or that it will see a military response. The pretense of "peaceful protests" will be stripped bare. Or would you suggest that revealing aggression for what it is... Is that also a sign of weakness?

    To me, ignoring what should be common sense, and stubbornly withholding an apology of this sort is very myopic. Specifically, in presuming this is merely an embarrassment for Israel and that they alone have to sort out the regional consequences of their cartoonish response. Such myopia is also a sign of weakness. But please... if you think I'm wrong, go ahead with your "pity offensive".

    And good luck with that.
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  • The_Edge PDenoli 2010/07/07 21:31:57
    The_Edge
    The only apology they owe is to their own soldiers and their own people for appearing so weak and foolish. This isn't a game, and politically correct rules of engagement just add to the pile of dead. Fear of a military force that functions like a well-oiled machine with ruthless efficiency is the best deterrent they have to assure the least amount of violence in the long run. Politicians don't save lives, they cost them.
  • LawMan5150 2010/07/07 10:08:53
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    LawMan5150
    +4
    We should be demanding that Turkey apologize for attacking the blockade.
  • sfink16 2010/07/07 10:04:15
    No, Israel should not apologize.
    sfink16
    +2
    Nope, clearly the boat had anything but peaceful intentions as the videos showed men carrying weapons. It's martyrdom where belief of many virgins as a reward for death.
  • The_Edge sfink16 2010/07/07 18:41:59
    The_Edge
    Yeah, but are they men or women virgins? Or untried goats?
  • daniel1965 2010/07/07 09:03:40
    Israel should apologize to Turkey.
    daniel1965
    Israel was totally out of any international law when the attacked the flotilla. Israel is not gaining any recognition from the world acting like that, although I am in favour of a peaceful state for Israel. The way Israel keeps expanding on territories so it is not searching for peace for sure. Now when you see what Israel blocks in terms or products and produces, it is absolutely non sense; there are basic food product!!! are those guns???? Lol let me laugh.
  • nightlight daniel1965 2010/07/07 11:09:27
    nightlight
    +2
    All the Israelis wanted was for the ships to allow them to check their cargo for weapons. There is no food shortage or need for humanitarian aid in Gaza.
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