Tim Wise touches on 2 very important points about our demographics in this country. The shifting of assumed entitlement and the degradation of white privilege in this country. While it's hard to talk about these issues without getting too hostile, Tim at least was articulate enough in his post to sort of transcend his own rawness and hostility.
Thanks for posting this PE. Good stuff.
Tim Wise on CNN, Discussing the “Open Letter to the White Right,” 11/7/10
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2010/11/08 17:13:56
Tim Wise on CNN with Don Lemon to discuss his “Open Letter to the White Right” and the backlash from it…
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"the right is against immmigration".....not true...the right is against ILLEGALs....
"Set back civil rights" You are a liar .... a sickening liar.
We are taking the country back and we don't care if you UNDERSTAND that concept. In fact we don't care about you... who are you ....
He is so offensive..
He states his opinions as facts and they are wrong. He is a racist.
The white right is not racist - the biggest lie of all.
Racism ends when EVERYONE puts down the gloves and picks up a coffee and talk it over. (beer in my case TYVM)
color is boring, the conversations about color tend to be 10 to 15 seconds long.
Racism, not nearly the issue anymore. The OVER USE of the racism card?? Completely played out, and using color as any sort of measure of a person, long gone. People get taken at face value, periiod.
My apologies but I dispise revisionist history.
the jim crow laws were products of democrats. the seperate but equal laws, the same. who was it that forced desegregation?
republicans.
who was it that created equal rights laws?
republicans.
and speaking of genocide?????
who is killing who?
are you talking about Rwanda? Somalia? that is African against African genocide. White man has nothing to do with it.
The Genocide of white europeans against white jews?
the genocide that Islam calls for against jews?
RACISM I have seen, at a truck stop in Louisianna. black man shows up for work late, he gets harassed by a couple of white waitresses. who had to bus the tables (poor bitches) he say's Sorry, My kid was sick. Apparently he said it too loud cuz a jackbooted motorcycle cop strolled up and said don't you be harassing these ladies now 'boy'
THAT is RACISM and it makes me sick.
WHY can't you understand or believe that the average conservative IS ON YOUR SIDE?
It is the political elites in DC that are pulling the racism strings in this country and causing dissension where there is NONE!
you are cut and dried, true to the core a black liberation theology believer.
union losses in the civil war
Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222
360,000 white men dies for your freedom, and you still want money?
how about all the politicians since then, mostly white, who worked hard on your behalf to make sure you could NEVER AGAIN be thought of as less than me?
do I ask gratitude, HELL NO! I am not that ignorant.
ALL I ask is that you understand that the past is not a weapon, it is what we must learn from so that we do not repeat the mistakes our ancestors made.
FYI. none of my ancestors were on this continent except from my Great Grandmothers side, she was a Monocan Indian. the rest got here after 1880.
so would you punish all whites? even those with no roots in slavery?
so any reparations you seek can only be described as REVENGE for an injustice done to someone else. over one hundred years ago.
you still have not addressed my question, how will you separate out the white people who are the descendants of slave owners from the white people who came to this country after the abolition of slavery?
or are white people guilty just because they are white?
Reparations has a deeper meaning than the cheap definition and implication you give it.
Word Origin & History
reparation
late 14c., "reconciliation," from L.L. reparationem (nom. reparatio ) "act of repairing, restoration," from L. reparatus , pp. of reparare "restore" (see repair (1)). Meaning "act of repairing or mending" is attested from c.1400. Reparations "compensation for war damaged owed by the aggressor" is attested from 1921, from Fr. réparations (1919).
We need to be restored spiritually, economically, mentally, and socially. We are in need of repair. It will happen with or without the help of those who benefitted from our misery. Reparations are not so much needed for the benefit of blacks but for the benefit of whites because it is justice. Do you actually think that God will not bring justice down on America for her evils done to the Black man and Woman and Native Americans? No Justice, NO peace.
"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.” - Thomas Jefferson
sounds very much like god is going to judge us all as individuals.
so, as I had no dealings, either in this life, or any ancestors lives, then I can have a clean conscience on this subject when i finally meet my judgement.
also understand, America did not become rich off of slave labor. even at the time when slavery was prevalent in America, the rest of the world (europe) saw us as no more than a third world nation. America did NOT become rich until AFTER WW1.
if you wish to be fulfilled economically socially and mentally, get an education, get a job, and bust your ass as hard as I do.
please come up with more rationalizing of why all white men are guilty.
because all you have said to me so far, summed up, is I am to be pitied because i have an ancestor who was a slave to white men.
I REFUSE to pity anyone who is in a condition to take care of themselves.
We don't seek your pity you pompous, arrogant cretin. We are under no illusion that we will receive any justice from a people who by nature are opposed to justice and righteousness. Out of God's mercy he is offering a way out for America whom he intends to destroy. Reparations would help you more than it will help us because the black man will receive justice one way or another regardless to whom or what. Your white leaders are doing you an injustice by not giving us justice. All whi...
We don't seek your pity you pompous, arrogant cretin. We are under no illusion that we will receive any justice from a people who by nature are opposed to justice and righteousness. Out of God's mercy he is offering a way out for America whom he intends to destroy. Reparations would help you more than it will help us because the black man will receive justice one way or another regardless to whom or what. Your white leaders are doing you an injustice by not giving us justice. All white people are the beneficiaries of the oppression, enslavement and exploitation of the black and indigenous people. Just like OJ was found innocent of killing his ex-wife and Ronald Goldman yet was held responsible in the civil suit. Whites of today are innocent of slavery but they are responsible to right the wrong since they are enjoying the fruits of what happened in the past on stolen land. Since the tighty righty whitey's like to espouse to black people and liberals the virtues of personal responsibilty, they need to start taking their own advice. But of course hypocrisy is a consistent characteristic of the Right Wing Nutballs.
that sounds a lot like a threat.
you are obviously convinced of your righteousness.
god bless and I hope you find inner peace.
strange strange strange how your wisdom works.
and I think he cries at the extremes of what we have done to each other.
And i don't speak about only black and whites, I speak about Asians and Native Americans and ALL ethnic groups.
We cannot grow as a nation or as a culture or as a HUMAN race until we lay aside hate.
Hate Greed Envy and Revenge are the devils tools.
by your logic yes, god is both.
that means black people will be made to suffer for the genocides of rwanda and somalia.
the japanese will be made to pay for the slaughter of chinese, the chinese will be made to pay for the murder of cambodians. the russians and germans for the slaughter of jews. Native Americans are NOT immune either, they slaughtered eachother before white man EVER showed up. the Incans, mayans, and Aztecs where committing human sacrifice.
the list is as long as human history!
oh, by the way, is it a hate crime if a black kills a white? or is that justice?
if you say it's justice, don't even bother replying, live in your black liberation theology world.
if you admit it can be a hate crime I'll be happy to continue talking.
his main focus. Garbage in and garbage out. That's all he's talking about.
The old people and the young white people of this country, have degrees of blood lines that
suggest we are of mixed ancestry. We have a mix of blood in all Americans in this country. But for Wise, all he wants to see is the color White at the tea parties. Because I look white doesn't mean I am not of mixed blood, because I am mixed. And that's where his talking points are flawed. And because you might have seen me at tea party, doesn't mean I am conservative, there again he slants his politics. Because I didn't vote for Obama, don't call me out as a racist.
The old people of this country are living in distress. What's caused all this distress? Well,
you got the kids, and grandkids, living with Grandma & Grandpa, and helping them survive and get
an education, and care for the children while both parents are working or looking for work.
Then you have those old people who have lost, and are losing their homes. Then you have all these new rules and regulations that you expect them to keep up with, and when they...
his main focus. Garbage in and garbage out. That's all he's talking about.
The old people and the young white people of this country, have degrees of blood lines that
suggest we are of mixed ancestry. We have a mix of blood in all Americans in this country. But for Wise, all he wants to see is the color White at the tea parties. Because I look white doesn't mean I am not of mixed blood, because I am mixed. And that's where his talking points are flawed. And because you might have seen me at tea party, doesn't mean I am conservative, there again he slants his politics. Because I didn't vote for Obama, don't call me out as a racist.
The old people of this country are living in distress. What's caused all this distress? Well,
you got the kids, and grandkids, living with Grandma & Grandpa, and helping them survive and get
an education, and care for the children while both parents are working or looking for work.
Then you have those old people who have lost, and are losing their homes. Then you have all these new rules and regulations that you expect them to keep up with, and when they try to
call on the telephone for answers they get someone over in India telling them something, and speaking in a way they can't understand. Then the doctors are popping them full of pills, and
they can't afford them, so they break them into two pieces thinking that will help somewhat.
Not to mention they haven't had cost of living increase from SS.......so don't go messing with
the old white folks, they are gonna live to be 114, and in 20, 30 years they will be around, and
you might be wishing you hadn't screw with the old folks.