Three Big Lies perpetuated by Progressives
Reichstolz
2012/07/23 15:49:29
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1. Nothing happens without government.
2. Without government nothing is accomplished
3. Government has your best interest in mind.
2. Without government nothing is accomplished
3. Government has your best interest in mind.
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2. Without government nothing is accomplished because people fail to paricipate in their civil duties
3. Government has your best interest in mind when the people take action and watch like their investment portfolio
2. civic duties are not directed by any government entity, they are directed by society
3. It is government intrusion into areas it holds no expertise that do damage to investment portfolios.
2. civic duties are not directed by any government entity, they are directed by society that participate in democracy
3. It is government intrusion into areas it holds no expertise that do damage to investment portfolios and when portofolio fall beyond grave of six feet under you come to beg for intrusion of government. example AEG and the market crash. thank god For FDR that let people like you to become back again to be wealthy.
2. Thankfully we do not live in a democracy, mob rule isn't working out so well in Ghana.
3. I have no interest in reliance upon government, I am the one who knows better how to invest my wealth. Ex, 500 million dollars to Solyndra, when their business model had them competing with Chinese manufacturers that we far more advanced and had 1/100th the labor costs. Anyone but government would look at that business model and laugh. FDR did nothing but prolong the depression. Thank God for WWII or we would still be in a depression thanks to his idiocy.
first tell me what kind of business your are, and I tell you how much money do you suck in from the goverment and I bet you that it doesnt come close to paying one person on wellfare.
The cost for my 48 annual permits, 17 of which are duplicates between federal and state requirements, for my three manufacturers, run over 1 million dollars annually. My companies pay over $700,000 quarterly in taxes, personally I pay over $200,000 quarterly in capital gains tax alone. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands I pay into mandatory unemployment insurance, FICA, etc. Then top that with a 11% state income tax, and a 2.5% corporate earnings state tax.
Government is the least efficient and least effective organization on the planet. Please name for me one program that has achieved its stated intentions when passed.
Tell me the welfare whore that pays enough into the system to cover the benefits received, please show me those numbers.
When you dine fancy with business associates and friends, you do write off as tax deduction. do me a favor, the next time that you eat and you write it off put welfare whore's face on your plate, because your dining from the same source, the government. '
I find it very disturbing that you give less credit to government policy that help our country to get back on our two feet from the great depression and you more credit to the killing field of WWII that if you look at the link it will tell you how much can business like your can profit from war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You are an ignorant fool if you think government is successful in interfering in the economy. Government cannot influence the economy without first taking from it.
Sorry but Wiki is not a reliable source for information. You best read the archives of Investor's business daily if you want to see how government destroys and prolongs recoveries.
It seems you are yet another on sodahead that has no clue how to build and maintain wealth, I didn't expect you would , but your ignorance is transparent.
Why are you so ignorant? There once was a time in this nation where things owned by the "public" were used for and by the public, that time has been gone since Teddy Roosevelt and his land grabs for government.
You obviously don't understand the concept of our founding and limited government, but that sort of ignorance is rampant among the country now.
Public property is used by the public and for the public. Government property is set up through government funds that come from taxes. Those are two different entities.
Why must you conflate terms in order to make your argument? Because you have no argument.
Limited government is just that. Limited. Nothing about that says that they can't have buildings to work out of or funds appropriated to them. For you to think otherwise is scary. Don't run for office.
Is a state park that one cannot access without paying a fee to government or traveling through a locked gate during the hours government established, without input from the public, public? My answer is no it is government property, not public property.
I sit on a Offroad Vehicle committee, and deal with the closure of lands we pay to maintain, yet we are barred from accessing. They are "public" lands, controlled by specific use permits, that aren't accessible unless government allows, it. So therefore they are not "public" they are government.
What makes you think that those terms of park hours weren't given by the public? I know that in NYC, the public defines the terms of how late their parks stay open, because it's up for a vote all the time.
If you are talking about "government lands" then those are owned by the government. If they are under special-use permits, those were set up by elected officials from the municipality in question.
The people decided how to zone their land. It's that simple.
Name for me one public space you can access anytime you like, in any manner you like?
Public and government property, you are correct, are not the same thing. My contention is we have no public property left, all we have is government property that the public pays for the government to control.
Certain Public parks don't have a curfew at all, but that all depends on the municipality.
We have tons of public property left, but we have less government funds than we did. Who's going to pay to keep those places open 24/7 and provide safety over those areas? Why, that wouldn't be the government, now would it?
Name a public park that you can reside in 24/7.
That is the point you fail to see, if government is controlling that property it is no longer public, it is government.
Everglades National Park is open 24/7.
Good and there are no restrictions on Everglades National Park use, enforced by government? So I can shoot anything I see, I can use the resource to my liking?
Why shouldn't that be? Do your rights as a citizen outweigh that of others? Sorry, but no.
You can bring guns on national park lands as of a recent ruling. The area serves as a wildlife conservatory, so why would you want to hunt there?
We are duscussion public property, not rights.
If the property use is restricted it is not public, that is my point.
That's America.
You are correct, thanks to what started under Teddy Roosevelt, we have no more public property, that's America!
You don't like America? Ok. Thanks.
You love the fact that women really had no rights and that blacks were treated like dogs? Or that the poor were left to rot on their own while the rich got richer?
Let me know which you really liked and then we can go on from there.
But, in regards to public property, if you don't think elected officials should have a say in how the property is taken care of and handled, you must believe that to be your job to upkeep the property, then. Are you willing to do the gardening at Central Park once a day unpaid? Let me know. I think I can get you a job over there right now.
You are ignorant to history if your assessment that women were treated like dogs, or that the poor were rotting in the streets during that period.
I would be more than willing to hire a company to tend to the garden, it would be a great public works program, as long as I could plant what I wanted and everyone could enter without fear of the government controlling their actions. You really do not understand the difference do you? How sad.
I like how you think that women had equal rights in the 1900s.
I like how you think it was a better time back then.
No, you're the public and YOU should be doing the work. You don't sign it off to someone else. This is your civic duty. If you can't do it, why would you expect anyone else to keep their end of the bargain.
You paying a third party is essentially what the public did in letting the government take over. You can't even hold up your argument IN THEORY.
How sad is that?
I am the public and I use my wealth to fulfill my role, as it has always been. So by your infantile logic, a policeman should load his own ammunition, make his own gun powder, smelt his own lead, a mason should mine his own limestone, mine his own sand, quarry his own gravel? I am sorry you are so ignorant.
Actually no, the government is not a paid third party because a sizable portion of the populous pays nothing for the burden of government. It is an entity solely dedicated to its own power, and as we have seen since the 1800's its power never diminishes.
You want to be able to do whatever you want on public property, you should be required to also do the upkeep for that property.
It's you civil responsibility. Much like you can't pay someone else to sit in on a jury or sign up for selective service, you can't pay someone else to do your part for the community.
You want a public place where you can personally go and run wild, you should personally be there to make sure when someone else does the same, you clean up their mess. This is the way in which your theory of a truly PUBLIC PLACE is actualized. This is the way in which every member of the community actually cares about the land on which they want to "use as they see fit, and kill whatever's there."
If you were personally responsible for someone killing off the endangered species in your park, or personally responsible for the guy that wants to drive a tank over your street, causing gridlock, every time-- you'd be more inclined to understand why people CANNOT do that on a whim.
Right now, you want the luxury without the responsibility. You are entitled, and that's the problem with people that think they can buy their way into anything, they're too lazy to do it thems...
You want to be able to do whatever you want on public property, you should be required to also do the upkeep for that property.
It's you civil responsibility. Much like you can't pay someone else to sit in on a jury or sign up for selective service, you can't pay someone else to do your part for the community.
You want a public place where you can personally go and run wild, you should personally be there to make sure when someone else does the same, you clean up their mess. This is the way in which your theory of a truly PUBLIC PLACE is actualized. This is the way in which every member of the community actually cares about the land on which they want to "use as they see fit, and kill whatever's there."
If you were personally responsible for someone killing off the endangered species in your park, or personally responsible for the guy that wants to drive a tank over your street, causing gridlock, every time-- you'd be more inclined to understand why people CANNOT do that on a whim.
Right now, you want the luxury without the responsibility. You are entitled, and that's the problem with people that think they can buy their way into anything, they're too lazy to do it themselves. They lack personal responsibility, which is why they pay others to be responsible for them.
It's pretty disgusting.
The government is an acting third party, in conjunction with elected officials from the community (in close discussion with the community at town hall meetings and such). The community does decide the restrictions placed on that plot of land you'd like to "do with as you please." If you don't want those restrictions, you should find a way to convince your community that your way is better.
That's America.
I surely will upkeep that property, by hiring someone who presents nothing but a strong back and able hands to the marketplace, since I do not have the time to waste with meaningless tasks.
You have no understanding what builds a community if you think hiring people to do things that are not worth your time, isn't fulfilling my role to the community. My civic responsibility is to bring my problem solving knowledge to the community, and let those without the mental capacity to think, perform the meaningless tasks.
You do not understand the values or the promise this nation was built on if you think anyone but that person themselves are responsible for cleaning up after themselves. At the San Bernardino Forest Service where I volunteer, there is a sign on the ranger station, "pack it in, pack it out." Personal responsibility dictates if you made the mess you clean it up. I understand that you have no grasp of personal responsibility, but it does not make it any less true.
Who decides what species are endangered, surely not anyone with knowledge. In Idaho the Elk are all but gone thanks to the flourishing reintroduced wolf population. Most wildlife biologists and their idiot "save the" groups ...
I surely will upkeep that property, by hiring someone who presents nothing but a strong back and able hands to the marketplace, since I do not have the time to waste with meaningless tasks.
You have no understanding what builds a community if you think hiring people to do things that are not worth your time, isn't fulfilling my role to the community. My civic responsibility is to bring my problem solving knowledge to the community, and let those without the mental capacity to think, perform the meaningless tasks.
You do not understand the values or the promise this nation was built on if you think anyone but that person themselves are responsible for cleaning up after themselves. At the San Bernardino Forest Service where I volunteer, there is a sign on the ranger station, "pack it in, pack it out." Personal responsibility dictates if you made the mess you clean it up. I understand that you have no grasp of personal responsibility, but it does not make it any less true.
Who decides what species are endangered, surely not anyone with knowledge. In Idaho the Elk are all but gone thanks to the flourishing reintroduced wolf population. Most wildlife biologists and their idiot "save the" groups wouldn't know the first thing about managing anything let alone protecting a species.
I understand the reasoning why there is no such thing as public property, that is why we are having this conversation, to alleviate your ignorance on the matter.
I live in luxury, I don't want for it. Personal responsibility would demand that if you are unwilling to perform a task, due to it being a waste of your talent, you provide the community with someone who will fulfill that role. A prime example of lazy is those who didn't advantage themselves to all the opportunity they were offered to better their station in life, and now rely on the productive to pay for their responsibilities to the community.
Yes, your ignorance as to the promise this nation once held is disgusting.
Government is acting as a dictator, not a party to an action. I have convinced my community to do things my way, I bought a mountain and made sure those who do not understand personal responsibility, like you, are not welcome.
If you want to have personal ability to do whatever you want on public lands, you should also be responsible for the upkeep of those lands, PERSONALLY.
When you personally get your hands dirty, you'll know what it's like to let someone else make them that way and you'll think before you act out next time.
Otherwise, you'll have the entitlement you do now, because you can just throw money at the issue and make it go away.
Civic duty is an idea wasted on the wealthy. They believe they can pay others to serve the community for them. They are too lazy to be bothered with civic duty, because they want to abuse their freedoms over the public. If they had to really get their hands dirty in order to abuse their freedoms, they wouldn't. They're too lazy for that. They do want the rest of the public to do that, though, because they'll be too tired to enjoy the same freedoms that the rich enjoy.
It's pretty disturbing how entitled the rich have become.
If you happen to think that there's no ELK in America, you can argue that with wildlife specialists and make your case. If it's a good case, the government will react to it. Enjoy. Maybe you could pay some conservationists to make the case for you, since you have the money to do...
If you want to have personal ability to do whatever you want on public lands, you should also be responsible for the upkeep of those lands, PERSONALLY.
When you personally get your hands dirty, you'll know what it's like to let someone else make them that way and you'll think before you act out next time.
Otherwise, you'll have the entitlement you do now, because you can just throw money at the issue and make it go away.
Civic duty is an idea wasted on the wealthy. They believe they can pay others to serve the community for them. They are too lazy to be bothered with civic duty, because they want to abuse their freedoms over the public. If they had to really get their hands dirty in order to abuse their freedoms, they wouldn't. They're too lazy for that. They do want the rest of the public to do that, though, because they'll be too tired to enjoy the same freedoms that the rich enjoy.
It's pretty disturbing how entitled the rich have become.
If you happen to think that there's no ELK in America, you can argue that with wildlife specialists and make your case. If it's a good case, the government will react to it. Enjoy. Maybe you could pay some conservationists to make the case for you, since you have the money to do it. But, do you really care enough to do that, even? Probably not.
And, your response to not having public property is to have private property in which YOU designate the terms and conditions? Why? Because you don't want to respect the government's terms and conditions?
Not only are you lazy, but you're power-hungry as well. Entitlement, all the way.
Enjoy your mountain. LOL.
I have gotten my hands dirty, then I realized there are many in this nation that only have that capacity. So I should achieve enough wealth, to hire them to do what they only have the capability to do. I understand it takes no thought to perform meaningless tasks so I hire the thoughtless to perform them.
No issue is ever solved unless someone of means is willing to "throw money" at it, as you characterized it. What keeps a park clean? The money to remove the garbage, the money to mow the lawn,and so on. I am sorry but with your lack of understanding how an economy and society works explaining this to you over and over again is wasted.
Please use words you understand the definition of. The wealthy in this nation pay more for the "services" provided in this nation, than any other groups. They are not entitled they are responsible for the entitled.
That is the point because government is not about doing the right thing, they rarely seek the consequences of unnecessary action. I can think of now species, the wolf a prime example, that has flourished, yet still remains on the endangered species list.
Really so I can do what I want on MY PRIVATE PR...
I have gotten my hands dirty, then I realized there are many in this nation that only have that capacity. So I should achieve enough wealth, to hire them to do what they only have the capability to do. I understand it takes no thought to perform meaningless tasks so I hire the thoughtless to perform them.
No issue is ever solved unless someone of means is willing to "throw money" at it, as you characterized it. What keeps a park clean? The money to remove the garbage, the money to mow the lawn,and so on. I am sorry but with your lack of understanding how an economy and society works explaining this to you over and over again is wasted.
Please use words you understand the definition of. The wealthy in this nation pay more for the "services" provided in this nation, than any other groups. They are not entitled they are responsible for the entitled.
That is the point because government is not about doing the right thing, they rarely seek the consequences of unnecessary action. I can think of now species, the wolf a prime example, that has flourished, yet still remains on the endangered species list.
Really so I can do what I want on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY. You are ignorant. Can I dam a stream on my property? Can I put in collection ponds to catch snow and rain runoff? Can I construct a building of my own design on my property? The answer is not without government intrusion.
The government has no right to set terms and conditions over the citizen, we are autonomous individuals, allowing government its ability to function, not the other way around.
I would not be wealthy if lazy. I would not be personally responsible if entitled. I am saddened that you are so willfully ignorant.
I guess I should pay other people to go to college for me, so I can claim my degrees, too? Right?
Sorry, you can't buy personal responsibility. That's one thing that's NOT FOR SALE.
And, you're demeaning of your fellow man (who has an equal share in this public property as your do, by the way) as an excuse to not only exploit him, by making him do your work AND his work, but also to get out of doing your fair share IS REPREHENSIBLE.
You've already created,in your mind, a world where "commoners" are more suited to "meaningless work" while you are above that. You are above getting your hands dirty, not because you actually are, but because you have the money to be. Others aren't beneath you because they actually ARE, but because they don't have as much money as you. That's the paradigm you're setting up, here, and it's disgusting.
Entitlement, all the way.
Without your money, what would you be? Nothing. You'd be doing "meaningless tasks" meant for the "stupid." You don't get that.
What you don't understand is that if every man chose to make something happen in any community and they all banded together to make that happen and contribute an equal share ...
I guess I should pay other people to go to college for me, so I can claim my degrees, too? Right?
Sorry, you can't buy personal responsibility. That's one thing that's NOT FOR SALE.
And, you're demeaning of your fellow man (who has an equal share in this public property as your do, by the way) as an excuse to not only exploit him, by making him do your work AND his work, but also to get out of doing your fair share IS REPREHENSIBLE.
You've already created,in your mind, a world where "commoners" are more suited to "meaningless work" while you are above that. You are above getting your hands dirty, not because you actually are, but because you have the money to be. Others aren't beneath you because they actually ARE, but because they don't have as much money as you. That's the paradigm you're setting up, here, and it's disgusting.
Entitlement, all the way.
Without your money, what would you be? Nothing. You'd be doing "meaningless tasks" meant for the "stupid." You don't get that.
What you don't understand is that if every man chose to make something happen in any community and they all banded together to make that happen and contribute an equal share of finances and work to the cause, they'd be able to achieve anything.
But, you don't want that. You want a society that looks to pass off their personal responsibility to the next person. Why? Because it favors YOU. If nothing gets done, you still have the resources to make sure you don't have to suffer for it.
You talk about these lofty ideals of public property that the public owns and takes care of, but you're not willing to follow through on that civic service public works need to be successful.
When you want to talk about what the wealthy pay in ways of "services" in this country, you should look at why they are able to pay so much and others aren't. You should look at who's paying to make sure that they don't have to pay a good wage to their workers. Who wants to keep minimum wage at record lows when compared with inflation rates? Yes, the wealthy pay a large amount of services, by hiding behind loopholes and hiding money overseas, so they don't have to pay their fair share.
Yes, the wealthy pay a lot for services to ensure that costs stay down and that workers get exploited. The wealthy pay a lot to stay wealthy. In order to do that, they have to keep others poor. Good for you.
They are entitled and think, that because of the money they spend, they should have tax loopholes and they should pay less for capital gains. They believe that they should pay lower tax rates than most Americans, because they are entitled to their wealth. They don't like paying taxes, because it reminds them that they aren't in control of everything.
Sucks to be so entitled, now doesn't it? You're just another cog in the machine like the rest of us. Your money doesn't make you that special. You can just think it does.
What you don't understand about private property is that, yet again, you don't live in a vacuum. Damming a stream has effects far beyond the dam you set up. Setting up collection ponds for rainwater, assure that water doesn't go other places it normally would. If your building doesn't meet code, you should know WHY it doesn't meet code.
But, you don't, because you have a control issue and don't like the fact you can't control everything. Money won't change that.
Sad, for you, though.
If you want to remain ignorant then sure, pay someone else to go to college for you.
Sorry but if you can't buy anything you are not personally responsible.
My fair share is more than compensated for. So by your infantile logic there should be no management, no physicians, no contractors, no educators, etc. Because if we are not doing physical work and getting our hands dirty we are not contributing our fair share. How ridiculous your little life must be. Paying someone to do meaningless tasks is not exploitation.
I am no different than anyone else. Anyone can accomplish what I have. That is why I understand there will be very few in this nation that will plan. prepare, and put forth the ambition to achieve what I have. I do not value their meaningless work any less than I value my own. The difference is, I am honest that there are more in society that are only cap...
If you want to remain ignorant then sure, pay someone else to go to college for you.
Sorry but if you can't buy anything you are not personally responsible.
My fair share is more than compensated for. So by your infantile logic there should be no management, no physicians, no contractors, no educators, etc. Because if we are not doing physical work and getting our hands dirty we are not contributing our fair share. How ridiculous your little life must be. Paying someone to do meaningless tasks is not exploitation.
I am no different than anyone else. Anyone can accomplish what I have. That is why I understand there will be very few in this nation that will plan. prepare, and put forth the ambition to achieve what I have. I do not value their meaningless work any less than I value my own. The difference is, I am honest that there are more in society that are only capable of doing meaningless tasks, than their are who are willing to plan. prepare and achieve success.
It is the reality of life, not a paradigm I created.
The point is, I earned the luxury I enjoy. Without wealth I would do no different than I do now. Wake every morning and take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves.
Your fallacy is you negate human nature, there will always be those, who are willing to live without pride off, the production of others. Those who contribute nothing to the burden of financing society.
Again your ignorance is astounding as to what a market demands and is willing to accept. A minimum wage is a false floor that does nothing more than limit the amount of entry level opportunities. You have no concept of fair or share. We currently spend $114, 278 per every man, woman, and child in this nation. Are you contributing enough to government to cover what is spent on you and your family, annually? I know I am, are you?
Again, my wealth keeps no person poor. The fallacy you hold is that by confiscating at the top you raise the bottom. When anyone with any capacity to think knows that is not true. What is elevated when you remove the top?
Take a simple example of your stupidity.
I have a dollar, you have none. Government takes my dollar and rips it in half, leaving me with half, and then rips a 1/3rd from the half it took from me keeps it, and gives you 2/3rds of the half. You just received something for nothing government got its cut, did economy grow? Did my ability to earn another dollar, become hindered? NO Did your ability to exist without doing anything improve? NO
All that happened is my wealth was diminished, you were not elevated to my status, because you didn't earn anything.
That is the point of my contention, it is government that owns the property in this nation, not the public.
No control issues at all, I learned at a young age the only way to not live in anger is to be wealthy enough that the dregs of society, like you, cannot affect how I live my life. Regardless how much you beg government to "get even" with me.
You want the perks, but don't want to do the work. It's ok. You admit it.
Your second mistake is to think that these "dullards" actally "earn a living" based on what you pay them. That's nonsense, and you rightly know it.
Sorry, but I CAN'T pay someone else to go to college for me. You'd give in to that argument just to make yourself seem right in yours, but that's not the way the world works, sweetheart.
You can't buy civic duty. You can't shove it off to someone else. You don't live in a vacuum. And, you damned sure don't own the rights of others and you can't claim to know their worth by what or who pays them. You have grown entitled to a point where you think this behavior of yours is normal.
You know who you should pay? A therapist of some sort.
What you don't get is that, if you want to live in a world where you can shove off your civic duty to the next guy, you shouldn't complain about the government having a say in what's done with public lands. The government is who the people pay, through the same means you do to your dullards, to make sure their civic duties are met.
You want to be able to shir...
You want the perks, but don't want to do the work. It's ok. You admit it.
Your second mistake is to think that these "dullards" actally "earn a living" based on what you pay them. That's nonsense, and you rightly know it.
Sorry, but I CAN'T pay someone else to go to college for me. You'd give in to that argument just to make yourself seem right in yours, but that's not the way the world works, sweetheart.
You can't buy civic duty. You can't shove it off to someone else. You don't live in a vacuum. And, you damned sure don't own the rights of others and you can't claim to know their worth by what or who pays them. You have grown entitled to a point where you think this behavior of yours is normal.
You know who you should pay? A therapist of some sort.
What you don't get is that, if you want to live in a world where you can shove off your civic duty to the next guy, you shouldn't complain about the government having a say in what's done with public lands. The government is who the people pay, through the same means you do to your dullards, to make sure their civic duties are met.
You want to be able to shirk your civic duties, but when everyone does it, it's not good to you, anymore. Sorry, but everyone didn't say for you to run things for them. Run for office.
Yes, anyone can ammass enough wealth to buy a mountain. And, anyone can be naturally beautiful enough to win the affections of the world over and gain fame and riches unparalleled. They CAN, but it's not likely. It's not even likely that the smartest people will get rich, or the hardest working people will. There's less than a tenth of one percent chance that anyone in America will get rich enough to buy their own mountain. Yet, you like to say "Hey, ANYONE could do it."
Your entitlement knows no bounds.
It's the rich and entitled that want to keep costs down for themselves and drive up prices for those too poor to afford their goods and services. The rich aren't in the business of making others live with more money in their pockets. The rich make a living off taking money from others.
And, the thing is you make it sound like your hard work and planning made it happen. At least Rockerfeller said it was luck. You can't do that because you want to somehow feel you deserve more than 100 families do, because you are somehow smarter and better at planning than "normal dullards" are. So, you should buy a mountain and they should take the pittance you throw them to shovel where you want them to.
Nice.
Somehow you have to make yourself feel better by making sure you pay less in taxes than most Americans do, because you want to keep more of your money so you can buy more mountains and own more things and call more peopel dullards and simpletons. But, you know what? It's never going to be enough for you, because you know what's really missing in your life?
The idea that you really are part of this society. The idea tha you really do belong here. You want to be of the people, but don't want to be, at the same time. Why? Because you don't want to do the work that is required. You'd like to forget that there is work required.
You don't deserve to live among us. Stay on your mountain and come down every now and then to look at the dullards and complain at how simple they are. Find a way to make money sitting around somewhere accue more interest somewhere else.
But, don't complain about the government doing a damned thing. You'd do just the same, if only the people would let you.