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Thomas Sowell - the ultimate argument against "tax the rich," class warfare demagoguery?

Ken May 17, 2011 18:06:36
Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare demagoguery!
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May 17, 2011








Slaves to Words

By Thomas Sowell


5/17/2011




We could definitely use another Abraham Lincoln to
emancipate us all from being slaves to words. In the midst of a historic
financial crisis of unprecedented government spending, and a national
debt that outstrips even the debt accumulated by the reckless government
spending of previous administration, we are still enthralled by words
and ignoring realities.

President Barack Obama's constant talk
about "millionaires and billionaires" needing to pay higher taxes would
be a bad joke, if the consequences were not so serious. Even if the
income tax rate were raised to 100 percent on millionaires and
billionaires, it would still not cover the trillions of dollars the
government is spending.

More fundamentally, tax rates-- whatever
they are-- are just words on paper. Only the hard cash that comes in can
cover government spending. History has shown repeatedly, under
administrations of both political parties, that there is no automatic
correlation between tax rates and tax revenues.

When the tax rate
on the highest incomes was 73 percent in 1921, that brought in less tax
revenue than after the tax rate was cut to 24 percent in 1925.
Why?
Because high tax rates that people don't actually pay do not bring in as
much hard cash as lower tax rates that they do pay. That's not rocket
science.

Then and now, people with the highest incomes have had
the greatest flexibility as to where they will put their money. Buying
tax-exempt bonds is just one of the many ways that "millionaires and
billionaires" avoid paying hard cash to the government, no matter how
high the tax rates go.

Most working people don't have the same options. Their taxes have been taken out of their paychecks before they get them.

Even
more so today than in the 1920s, billions of dollars can be sent
overseas electronically, almost instantaneously, to be invested in other
countries-- creating jobs there, while millions of American are
unemployed. That is a very high price to pay for class warfare rhetoric
about taxing "millionaires and billionaires."

Make no mistake
about it, that kind of rhetoric wins votes for political demagogues--
and votes are their bottom line. But that is totally different from
saying that it will bring in more tax revenue to the government.

Time
and again, at both state and federal levels, in the country and in
other countries, tax rates and tax revenue have moved in opposite
directions many times.
After Maryland raised its tax rates on people
making a million dollars a year, there were fewer such people living in
Maryland-- and less tax revenue was collected from them.

In 2009,
many people specializing in high finance in Britain relocated to
Switzerland after the British government announced plans to take 51
percent of high incomes in taxes.

Conversely, reductions in tax
rates can lead to more tax revenue being collected. After the capital
gains tax rate was cut in the United States in 1997, the government
collected nearly twice as much revenue from capital gains taxes in the
next four years as in the previous four years.

[When this fact was pointed out to Barack Obama by Charles Gibson during an interview, Obama said he would still favor raising the capital gains tax rate "for purposes of fairness!"]

Similar things have happened in India and in Iceland.

There
is no automatic correlation between the direction in which tax rates
move and the direction in which tax revenues move. Nor is this a new
discovery.

Back in the 1920s, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew
Mellon pointed out that people with high incomes were simply not paying
the high tax rates that existed on paper, because they were putting
their money into tax shelters.

After the tax rates were cut, as
Mellon advocated, investments flowed back into the private economy,
producing higher output, rising incomes, more tax revenue and more jobs.
The annual unemployment rate in the next four years never exceeded 4.2
percent, and in one year was as low as 1.8 percent.

Despite
political demagoguery about "tax cuts for the rich," in human terms the
rich have less at stake than working people. Precisely because the rich
have so many ways of avoiding taxes, a high tax rate is likely to do
them far less harm than it does to the economy, on which millions of
people depend for jobs.




Thomas Sowell


Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of The Housing Boom and Bust.
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  • Rodney May 17, 2011 22:11:47
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Rodney
    +7
    I was in College when they taught theory without political bias or slants and the very thing Thomas Sowell states here is exactly what I learn way back when. For further evidence of what a even fair tax system can do, look to our old enemy, the former Soviet Union. After they reverted back to Russia they instituted a level tax system where by everyone pays the same percentage across the board on income (13%) and payments increased 26%. They also have a a corporate tax rate of 24% and a dividend tax rate of 6%. They do have other taxes for retirement fund, a VAT tax. But the bottom line is that since simplifying the system and being able to lower the total tax bite they have gotten greater participation from not only the wage earners, but business and corporate, giving them plenty of money to run the government.

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  • Christine/Rest in peace Pet... June 01, 2011 07:38:41
    None of the above
    Christine/Rest in peace Peter Br
    +1
    How about just add taxes to the democrats? They are the ones who want big goverment and push for more taxes. So, let them pay for it. If you took every cent of the rich, it would barely make a dent in our national debt and buget.
  • Ken Christi... June 01, 2011 16:57:47
    Ken
    +1
    That's a great idea - I'm all for it. Liberals are very free-spending with other people's money but much less so with their own.

    "According to their tax returns, in 2006 and 2007, the Obamas gave 5.8 percent and 6.1 percent of their income to charity. I guess Michelle Obama has to draw the line someplace with all this ‘giving back' stuff. The Bidens gave 0.15 percent and 0.31 percent of the income to charity.

    Meanwhile, in 1991, 1992 and 1993, George W. Bush had incomes of $179,591, $212,313 and $610,772. His charitable contributions those years were $28,236, $31,914 and $31,292. During his presidency, Bush gave away more than 10 percent of his income each year.

    For purposes of comparison, in 2005, Barack Obama made $1.7 million -- more than twice President Bush's 2005 income of $735,180 -- but they both gave about the same amount to charity.

    That same year, the heartless Halliburton employee Vice President Dick Cheney gave 77 percent of his income to charity. The following year, in 2006, Bush gave more to charity than Obama on an income one-third smaller than Obama's."
    http://www.americanthinker.co...
  • Don Wenk May 29, 2011 18:30:47
    None of the above
    Don Wenk
    +1
    On Taxes: Repeal and replace Article XVI with a flat income tax of 6-12% on ALL income. The only exemption allowed, if with implementation of the tax, your income falls below the national poverty level, you would be 100% exempt. Congress would be allowed to reduce the tax level, but the national electorate would have to approve an increase with a simple majority. Don Wenk for President.
  • belle May 29, 2011 17:44:18
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    belle
    +2
    throwing more of the rich tax money at the problem is not the solution. Congress needs to really look at where all the tax dollars are going/being wasted. Having more money to waste won't clen up our debt.
  • Ken belle May 29, 2011 17:57:56
    Ken
    +2
    As the saying goes, taxes are not the problem, spending is the problem!
  • JanHopkins May 29, 2011 06:05:40
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    JanHopkins
    The rich have always had ways to avoid high taxes. I hope this mess gets straightened out soon.
  • UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM~JLA May 29, 2011 03:31:26
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM~JLA
    +2
    And the politicians that use that rhetoric know perfectly well what they are doing.

    They are playing to their base.

    You see that same "tax the rich more" mantra spouted by libs on SH all the time.
  • Ken UGH...L... May 29, 2011 03:40:13
    Ken
    +3
    With 47% of the people paying no income tax they are headed toward a majority who will want government handouts!
    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
    -- Benjamin Franklin
  • UGH...L... Ken May 29, 2011 03:48:09
    UGH...LIBS ~ PWCM~JLA
    +2
    That is precisely what is bankrupting us, at the local, state and national levels.
  • Ken UGH...L... May 29, 2011 05:33:59
    Ken
    +1
    The government employee unions are doing a great job of bankrupting California. Most of Obama's $800 billion stimulus went into saving government jobs for his union buddies.
  • KingdomNow May 29, 2011 02:59:29
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    KingdomNow
    +1
    Common sense and history are on our side!
  • Gracie - Proud Conservative May 29, 2011 02:57:04
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    Indisputable facts that seem to have no meaning to Progressives because they don't want it to be true! They want class warfare, it buys them votes. I just finished "Mellon" by David Cannadine. What an interesting man. It made me hate FDR and the New Deal that much more. They tried to destroy Andrew Mellon by charging him with tax fraud and also sued Alcoa for unfair business practices. He died not knowing the outcome of either suit and was vindicated by both although it cost Alcoa and his estate millions. Of course they didn't care!
  • Ken Gracie ... May 29, 2011 03:13:58
    Ken
    +2
    Thanks for that information, Gracie. Yes, FDR's "New Deal" was actually a "Raw Deal". His own Secretary of the Treasury admitted in 1939 that they had "spent and spent" and had nothing to show for it but an enormous debt! It wasn't until WWII began that the depression ended, and it was the federal government's actions that extended it.
  • Gracie ... Ken May 29, 2011 03:17:58
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    LOL! I read that book too! It was an excellent look at FDR! The similarities are endless!
  • Red Branch May 29, 2011 02:49:17
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Red Branch
    +4
    Trying something new are we?

    Actually having an economist explaining the tax rates and tax revenues. Why can't our politicians think of that. There is the Laffer curve that graphs the rates and revenue brought in to the Treasury. At a certain point, higher taxes will actually bring about a decrease in revenue.
  • Ken Red Branch May 29, 2011 03:16:28
    Ken
    +3
    It is the revisionism of the liberals that says that the tax cuts of JFK, Reagan and Bush did nothing - they still use their "ridicule" and call it "trickle-down economics." Tax revenues doubled in Reagan's eight years, despite his cuts in tax rates -- yet to this day liberals deny the success of "Reaganomics!"
  • Icono1 Ken May 29, 2011 18:55:16
    Icono1
    +3
    To admit that Reagan succeeded would mean that they have failed. And as wtw pointed out below, perception of fairness, for our Progressive neo Marxist, is more important than the reality of a failed economic system that by itself creates inequalities within our society.
  • Red Branch Ken May 29, 2011 21:04:16
    Red Branch
    +2
    They couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it.
  • Ken Red Branch May 29, 2011 21:27:06 (edited)
    Ken
    +2
    And most certainly not if their election/reelection depended upon it!
  • bad x May 29, 2011 02:43:18
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    bad x
    +5
    obama didn't even pay his 35% fair share, what a schmuck!
  • Ken bad x May 29, 2011 03:17:27
    Ken
    +3
    Did you ever see what Obama and Biden gave to charity?? Biden gave next to nothing and Obama gave around 3%, most to his Marxist church!
  • dvines1951 May 29, 2011 02:38:59
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    dvines1951
    +6
    We have had plenty of fancy words the last 2+years and the economy is in the toilet. let's delete the IRS and institute a flat tax or national sales tax with no loop holes.
  • Ed May 29, 2011 02:33:49
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Ed
    +6
    As has always been the case with Mr. Sowell, he presents his opinions with logic and easy to verify facts, you cannot ask for anything more.
  • wtw May 29, 2011 02:21:56
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    wtw
    +6
    As expected Obama does not care if the government gets less revenue or more--he does not care if the unemployment rate is high. He only cares if it the perception of fairness is endorsed. Idealogy and perception is more important to progressives--really caring about people matters less to them than being perceived that they care about people. They have won that battle people have bought the perception lie of the dems!
  • Ken wtw May 29, 2011 02:27:41
    Ken
    +8
    They are bragging about a growth in the GDP of 1.8%! When you realize that the GDP includes government spending, and 42% of government spending is borrowed money, is there any real growth at all? Reagan's recovery after his tax cuts were in place (from an economy that was as bad as what Obama "inherited") was around 7%, based on "trickle-down" economics, more than doubling tax revenues in Reagan's eight years despite the cuts in tax rates.
  • wtw Ken May 29, 2011 02:44:13
    wtw
    +4
    Absolutely right !!!!
  • Ed wtw May 29, 2011 02:39:59
    Ed
    +6
    Obama, just as the libs that blindly slither behind him, live by the creed, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's made up."
  • wtw Ed May 29, 2011 02:44:30
    wtw
    +4
    Well put!
  • Ed wtw May 29, 2011 04:03:21
    Ed
    +2
    Thank you.
  • Jaiheena Star May 29, 2011 02:14:05
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Jaiheena Star
    +4
    This will never work Taxing The Rich, lol. The rich people are too cunning, knowing all of the tax laws, loopholes, all of the in, and outs of taxation. The rich will take from the poor quicker than what the poor can take from the rich.
  • Icono1 May 29, 2011 02:05:11
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Icono1
    +5
    Interesting that the 'rich in politics' are always wanting to tax the 'rich in business' to pay for their pet political programs all the while screaming that the 'rich in business' are getting away with highway robbery by not paying their fair share; yet the rich in politics find a way not to pay their fair share the same way the rich in business do.
    Sound contradictory and hypocritical, it is, but it works in the court of public opinion to vilify the 'working rich' while deflecting attention away from the tax liability of the 'politically rich'; who by the way, have to pass bills before they know what is in them (This is analogous to a business putting out a product to see how it works so as to figure out if the product is a good bet in the market place.).
    which means the political rich have to work longer actually doing something, so they will have to pass themselves another pay raise and take more all expenses 'paid by the tax payer vacations' to recover from that hard political life of arguing on how to spend other peoples money (and of course reading those bills after they pass them) and getting insider info from the market place and talking to tax lawyers on new and better ways to hide their high earnings from the tax man.
  • Ken Icono1 May 29, 2011 02:10:49
    Ken
    +4
    I totally agree - wouldn't it be far better to have a "fair tax" or "flat tax" and put all of those tax lawyers out of business!
  • Icono1 Ken May 29, 2011 18:46:07
    Icono1
    +2
    Yes, it would.
  • patriot May 29, 2011 01:54:51
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    patriot
    +5
    Thomas Sowell is one of my heroes. Great thinker-great man.
  • Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA May 18, 2011 03:22:49
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +4
    Thomas Sowell is one of the best economist,social theorist & opinion maker,that most Americans have never heard of.Due to the fact that Dr.Sowell is not part of the Liberal Establishment.His article on Townhall is 100% correct.But, most Americans will never read that article.
    Too many Americans have brought into the Democratic Party line that "The rich need to pay their fair share of taxes".Which has been drilled into their heads.Thanks to that praise being repeated over & over again,in the MSM news.
  • Ken Stevern... May 18, 2011 03:38:48
    Ken
    +4
    You are right about Thomas Sowell - he is highly respected by those who know of him, but not enough of the general public does. It has happened time and time again that higher tax rates don't result in higher revenues, and the converse, lower rates and higher revenues, has been proven again and again. Reagan cut tax rates and over his eight years (only six after the tax cuts) revenues doubled!
  • texasred May 18, 2011 00:47:36
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    texasred
    +6
    The man is smart and knows what he's talking about. Of course, the Progressives will do everything they can to denigrate him. Because he's smart and knows what he's talking about!!
  • Ken texasred May 18, 2011 01:12:10
    Ken
    +4
    You've got that right!
  • Red Branch texasred May 29, 2011 02:52:20
    Red Branch
    +2
    Because he is a Conservative and not Progressive.
  • Rodney May 17, 2011 22:11:47
    Yes, Sowell is the greatest and the "tax the rich" mantra is class warfare de...
    Rodney
    +7
    I was in College when they taught theory without political bias or slants and the very thing Thomas Sowell states here is exactly what I learn way back when. For further evidence of what a even fair tax system can do, look to our old enemy, the former Soviet Union. After they reverted back to Russia they instituted a level tax system where by everyone pays the same percentage across the board on income (13%) and payments increased 26%. They also have a a corporate tax rate of 24% and a dividend tax rate of 6%. They do have other taxes for retirement fund, a VAT tax. But the bottom line is that since simplifying the system and being able to lower the total tax bite they have gotten greater participation from not only the wage earners, but business and corporate, giving them plenty of money to run the government.

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