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  • Luis 2012/06/09 01:19:34
    Luis
    +3
    The European market is not of any matter close to me. The housing debacle was caused by the banks and congress deregulating them so they could become criminals. What Obama is doing is a little something but it is like putting a band aid on a decapitated person who has been dead four years.

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  • schjaz 2012/06/10 17:12:45
    schjaz
    +1
    Hogwash....It tells what the plan is SUPPOSE to do not exactly how it will do it. Its too general. There are no answers here. He said 'in a nutshell' and that's correct. It told me nothing.
  • Dehlyn 2012/06/10 16:31:19
    Dehlyn
    I did not want to put my spin on this subject most all you know how I feel about this whole government so I Remained silent. I have however read all the comments that were written and I must say it is not good for this Admin at the moment. Thank you for all your comments.
  • Michael Hertel 2012/06/10 12:21:08
    Michael Hertel
    +1
    It is an ok idea that would help me, I am trying to do a refinance right now.
  • schjaz Michael... 2012/06/10 17:14:28
    schjaz
    +1
    But how? How would it work? For instance, he said, there would be no refinancing fees? Somebody somewhere is going to pay them......who? when? There were no details. Just generalizations.
  • Michael... schjaz 2012/06/10 20:53:29
    Michael Hertel
    I guess the customers of the bank would pay them just like the customers of the banks now pay the corporate income tax paid by the bank.
  • schjaz Michael... 2012/06/12 15:27:09
    schjaz
    Maybe not....after all this explanation...we still don't know. Maybe under Obama's plan, it would fall under a government pay out system funded by the taxpayer.
  • Jim 2012/06/10 04:45:33
    Jim
    +1
    More B.S. from a brain dead president. He's getting desperate to get votes.
  • A.Oscar 2012/06/09 20:29:29
    A.Oscar
    Could change the color from white to any other color, and help the 51 state for another war?
  • TrudyGirl 2012/06/09 19:10:09
    TrudyGirl
    Good plan hope it moves through but the Republicans will do anything to prove Obama unsuccessful. So it probably will not make it..as an example equal pay for women.
  • schjaz TrudyGirl 2012/06/10 17:16:29
    schjaz
    +2
    What plan? There was no plan. Just generalizations and saying what it would probably do but not how it would do it. No fees? Impossible. You cannot legislate that unless you take over the banks. There were no details.
  • zbacku 2012/06/09 14:25:20
    zbacku
    +2
    There is NOTHING that comes from this Administration that interests me. Hey, I have an idea, why don't Obama start doing his job as president and stop hobnobbing all over creation trying to keep his failed presidency. obama fail
  • TrudyGirl zbacku 2012/06/13 20:12:04
    TrudyGirl
    Better yet why don't you take a class in American English before you start to criticize someone who is far your superior?
  • Ashwin 2012/06/09 07:49:34
    Ashwin
    +1
    I Don't Get It
  • schjaz Ashwin 2012/06/12 15:28:17
    schjaz
    Because there were no details. He had a big chart in front of him that he never bothered to try to explain. Smoke and mirrors and more bs.
  • Bob DiN 2012/06/09 05:05:10
    Bob DiN
    +2
    Sounds like baloney, which is not a first for this administration. Some people can barely afford their real estate taxes let alone a mortgage.
  • thecutesttentacle 2012/06/09 04:03:18
    thecutesttentacle
    +1
    i dunno what i think o:
  • The_Infidel_Atheist 2012/06/09 02:18:09
    The_Infidel_Atheist
    +2
    Sounds like a good idea, but I think that the money that most Americans would save will either go into their savings accounts or go towards paying off some of their debt. Either way, it's not enough to really stimulate the economy in any major way. How about a full on forgiveness of all credit card and financial aid debt? Now that would get Americans spending again!
  • S and S 2012/06/09 01:44:18
    S and S
    +2
    this issue is so minor compared to the big picture. sure it affects some people, even people I know, however if the major issues were addressed and fixed, this small detail (in perspective) would be non-existant. Hell with the money thrown away at bank bail outs, stimulus, alternative energy game playing, the government could have paid off every home mortgage in the whole country and still have money left over.
  • CAROLYN NTARWNJBS 2012/06/09 01:32:36
    CAROLYN NTARWNJBS
    +1
    It's a start.
  • Luis 2012/06/09 01:19:34
    Luis
    +3
    The European market is not of any matter close to me. The housing debacle was caused by the banks and congress deregulating them so they could become criminals. What Obama is doing is a little something but it is like putting a band aid on a decapitated person who has been dead four years.
  • Mr Marvin 2012/06/09 01:10:44
    Mr Marvin
    +1
    Just more trying to make a socialist look better.
  • cm 2012/06/08 23:14:30
    cm
    +1
    This is no plan at all, just a bunch of feel good stuff without any substance.
  • RogerCoppock 2012/06/08 23:12:33
    RogerCoppock
    +3
    It's a plan to get money from banks back into the economy. Good!
  • Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/08 23:10:08
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Mr Economist is simplifying and generalizing for the sake of explanation, but there's far more to it.

    First off, if I'm underwater in my home, you can lower my interest rate all you want. I will still be a potential strategic foreclosure. In fact, it's far more likely many folks will walk away from these if they owe significanlty more than the market value.

    Second, his 'research' that a single foreclosure in the neighborhood starts the downward spiral in values is false. Very false. It's a supply/demand issue and external influences that cause declines in value. If there are 2 foreclosures in a neighborhood of say, 500 homes, this bean counter will have everyone watching the video believing their values have just plummeted 14%. Nonsense. If there are 30-40 foreclosures and short sales, then we have an issue. There are far more factors that play into this, so please, please don't buy this guy's analysis as gospel. It's theoretical nonsense.
  • Luis Purple ... 2012/06/09 01:17:09
    Luis
    +3
    You are right on that issue. besides this is like closing the barn door after the horse and the owner ran away and died. There is money set aside to take care of home owners and none of it is being spent. Instead the banks do nothing with it and congress does nothing with it. If we took the money allocated to projects that have never been done or even started we would have billions of dollars to help home owners and lower the debt while putting teachers fire fighters and police back to work. When I saw the report on this I was stunned that no one on either party has done anything to fix this. One Republican and one Democrat brought it up this week. The rest are just fighting with each other.
    When my wife lost her home, I sold mine just before the crash, No one would help or talk to us. They just said oh well. The house was 315,000 and plummeted to 85,000.00. Why on Earth would we keep making the payments? My wife tried but her son also owned half and refused to pay anything. He makes almost five times as much as she does. So in the end we lived there for a year and then moved out. Strategic foreclosures are all we can do now a days.
  • Idiot r... Luis 2012/06/09 01:26:01
    Idiot repubs
    +3
    Too bad Bush let the horse get out, Obama will make sure it doesn't happen again.
  • Purple ... Idiot r... 2012/06/11 16:26:36 (edited)
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    Really? Perhaps you can provide us all with the facts and substance that supports your statements?

    You won't be able to. The reality of the issue is that Fannie/Freddie and the housing bubble was building for decades prior to Bush. The beginning of the problems actually started as far back as LBJ's administration. He was the creator of the GSEs as we know them. Fannie's original life began as a part of the New Deal in the 30's, but the GSEs as private entities with the implied Treasury guarantee didn't happen until the 60's when LBJ took Fannie out of the federal budget and made them private entities. Nothing significant changed from that point until Johnson took over as CEO and began transforming Fannie Mae from the quiet utility type stock into the vehemouth that wielded power over it's regulators and the toxic portfolio began.

    I won't begin to say things didn't heat up to the ultimate pressure point during his administration, but democrats also seem to conveniently forget the total avoidance of the warnings brought up by the congressional and senatorial republicans in the early 2000's. Barney Frank and his buds kept Fannie on her path to destruction by spewing falsehoods.

    There were many, many steps that led to the perfect storm we're still weathering here.

    As for...
    Really? Perhaps you can provide us all with the facts and substance that supports your statements?

    You won't be able to. The reality of the issue is that Fannie/Freddie and the housing bubble was building for decades prior to Bush. The beginning of the problems actually started as far back as LBJ's administration. He was the creator of the GSEs as we know them. Fannie's original life began as a part of the New Deal in the 30's, but the GSEs as private entities with the implied Treasury guarantee didn't happen until the 60's when LBJ took Fannie out of the federal budget and made them private entities. Nothing significant changed from that point until Johnson took over as CEO and began transforming Fannie Mae from the quiet utility type stock into the vehemouth that wielded power over it's regulators and the toxic portfolio began.

    I won't begin to say things didn't heat up to the ultimate pressure point during his administration, but democrats also seem to conveniently forget the total avoidance of the warnings brought up by the congressional and senatorial republicans in the early 2000's. Barney Frank and his buds kept Fannie on her path to destruction by spewing falsehoods.

    There were many, many steps that led to the perfect storm we're still weathering here.

    As for Obama fixing it all, you're dreaming. He's done nothing, and I mean nothing in the way of fixing the ails. Dodd Frank didn't even begin to address the GSEs, and all this administration has done is continue to float money to Fannie and Freddie from the Treasury.
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  • Idiot r... Purple ... 2012/06/11 18:58:05
    Idiot repubs
    Builders to fight Bush's low-income plan

    Groups ask HUD to rethink plan that would increase financing of homes to low-income people.
    June 17, 2004: 12:24 PM EDT

    NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people, a home builder group said Thursday.

    The National Association of Home Builders, along with the National Association of Realtors and the Mortgage Bankers Association, are drafting a letter to Alphonso Jackson, secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), arguing that middle-income home buyers are the ones that will get hurt by the proposed plan, the NAHB told CNN/Money.

    In April, the HUD proposed new rules that would raise the percentage of loans bought by the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) that finance borrowers whose incomes are at or below the median for their area, according to the Wall Street Journal .

    But the groups will warn in the letter that the proposed rules requiring the two GSEs to finance more "affordable housing" may have "unintended consequences," hurting some poor and middle-income people struggling to afford houses, the Journal said.

    Fannie and Freddie, which use...

    Builders to fight Bush's low-income plan

    Groups ask HUD to rethink plan that would increase financing of homes to low-income people.
    June 17, 2004: 12:24 PM EDT

    NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Home builders, realtors and others are preparing to fight a Bush administration plan that would require Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase financing of homes for low-income people, a home builder group said Thursday.

    The National Association of Home Builders, along with the National Association of Realtors and the Mortgage Bankers Association, are drafting a letter to Alphonso Jackson, secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), arguing that middle-income home buyers are the ones that will get hurt by the proposed plan, the NAHB told CNN/Money.

    In April, the HUD proposed new rules that would raise the percentage of loans bought by the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) that finance borrowers whose incomes are at or below the median for their area, according to the Wall Street Journal .

    But the groups will warn in the letter that the proposed rules requiring the two GSEs to finance more "affordable housing" may have "unintended consequences," hurting some poor and middle-income people struggling to afford houses, the Journal said.

    Fannie and Freddie, which use their ability to borrow cheaply in the government agency bond market to help middle-to-low income people buy homes, would be compelled to provide more funds to low-income home buyers by slashing their financing of middle-income home buyers, David Crowe of the NAHB told the paper.

    The points being raised by the groups have also mirrored objections raised by Fannie (FNM: Research, Estimates) and Freddie (FRE: Research, Estimates). Both GSEs said they favor more efforts to promote affordable housing, but say HUD has made some unrealistic assumptions about how much more the GSEs can do over the next few years, the Journal said.
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  • Purple ... Idiot r... 2012/06/11 19:07:46
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    The article you quoted has not a damn thing to do with reining in the two GSEs. It was focussed on what the builders and NAR thought would be the unintended consequences of Fannie lending more often to low and moderate income buyers. That was the market share that FHA typically held.

    Actually the builders and NAR were worried the Fannie funds for middle income borrowers would become more costly as a result due to increased demand and increased risk.

    And this supports your claim of laying the entire housing bubble at the feet of W Bush? Very lame and not even close.
  • Idiot r... Purple ... 2012/06/11 23:35:39
    Idiot repubs
    Home builders and banks to fight Bush's plan for low income financing!

    BUSH's plan which tanked the economy.
  • Purple ... Idiot r... 2012/06/12 01:52:13
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    You have no clue, IR. Not a scintilla. Not only am I a member of the housing industry, I'm also a dues paying NAR member and have been for 17 years. If you understood the article you cut and pasted, Fannie and Freddie were also balking about the plan.

    NAR and the home builders never, ever say 'let's sell fewer homes'. They never say 'let's tighten the regs.' NEVER!

    Bush alone did not sink the economy. Once again, it's been brewing for decades, but unfortunately you can't manage to learn and research beyond your partisan goggles.

    The avatar fits, I'm afraid. Head of stone, and large mouth wide open.
  • Idiot r... Purple ... 2012/06/12 21:40:24
    Idiot repubs
    Remember the ownership society? President George W. Bush championed the concept when he was running for re-election in 2004, envisioning a world in which every American family owned a house and a stock portfolio, and government stayed out of the way of the American Dream.
    These families were, of course, conservative, or at a minimum traditional and nuclear, consisting of a heterosexual married couple and at least two kids living in a stand-alone home with a yard, a car or two and a multimedia room with a flat-screen television. The latter was a new addition to this 21st-century simulacrum of the 1950s "Leave It to Beaver" idyll. But the dream was the same.
    Such a country would be more stable, Bush argued, and more prosperous. "America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," he said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, the...


    Remember the ownership society? President George W. Bush championed the concept when he was running for re-election in 2004, envisioning a world in which every American family owned a house and a stock portfolio, and government stayed out of the way of the American Dream.
    These families were, of course, conservative, or at a minimum traditional and nuclear, consisting of a heterosexual married couple and at least two kids living in a stand-alone home with a yard, a car or two and a multimedia room with a flat-screen television. The latter was a new addition to this 21st-century simulacrum of the 1950s "Leave It to Beaver" idyll. But the dream was the same.
    Such a country would be more stable, Bush argued, and more prosperous. "America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," he said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, they paled in comparison to the financial innovations that grew out of the mortgages—derivatives built on other derivatives, packaged and repackaged until no one could identify what they contained and how much they were, in fact, worth.
    As we know by now, these instruments have brought the global financial system, improbably, to the brink of collapse. And as financial strains drive husbands and wives apart, Bush's ownership ideology may end up having the same effect on the stable nuclear families conservatives so badly wanted to foster.
    The dream of a better society through homeownership didn't originate with George W. Bush. It's as American as Manifest Destiny. The Homestead Act in 1862 offered acres to anyone willing to brave the Western frontier. During Reconstruction, freed slaves were promised "40 acres and a mule." And after World War II, with Levittown and its cousins, affordable homes were a reward of victory. But until very recently, those hopes and dreams were connected to actual income and gainful employment. No longer.
    The giddiness of the Bush years built on the promise of the New Economy era, a promise perfectly encapsulated by a 1999 billboard advertising a shiny new subdivision in Scroggins, Texas, filled with homes that most of their owners couldn't really afford: YES, YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL! That dream took a sharp hit with the collapse of the Internet stock bubble in 2000-2001 and then with 9/11, both of which destroyed billions of dollars of wealth. But it came roaring back in 2002, encouraged by Bush's post-9/11 exhortation that Americans could do their patriotic duty by going shopping and paying lower taxes, even as government spending exploded. Shop they did, and homes they bought.
    (more)
  • Purple ... Idiot r... 2012/06/13 16:11:46
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    You cut and paste from the Daily Beast? Do you have no concept on your own? Can you get past the paritsan goggles?

    How about Clinton?

    http://www.businessweek.com/t...

    Now then, the zero down programs. You've got those a tad twisted. See, Ameridream was the grandaddy of what we call the 'Downpayment Assistance Programs'. It was the beginning and spawed the creation of others like it such as Neighborhood Gold.

    Government sponsored? Hardly. Again, I warned you - card carrying NAR member here so I know my stuff and you're in territory you don't understand. These were non-profit organizations and had not a damn thing to do with the government. FHA tried to kill them for several years before they were successful. Guess when congress finally put a stop to them - September 2008.
  • Idiot r... Purple ... 2012/06/13 16:57:05
    Idiot repubs
    Pfft, you don't know what you are talking about.
  • Purple ... Idiot r... 2012/06/13 17:46:35 (edited)
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    Actually, I do. Far more than you're willing to admit, IR.

    Here you go, straight from the Ameridream website:

    http://www.ameridream.org/Who...

    Something else you probably need to take note of: Ameridream was established in 1999. Note: that was prior to George Bush's first inauguration. The CRA, the push for affordable housing, the expansion of homeownership, it began long before Bush. I won't say he didn't have his own gasoline can to fuel the fire, but he didn't start it.
  • Idiot r... Purple ... 2012/06/12 21:40:07
    Idiot repubs
    Remember the ownership society? President George W. Bush championed the concept when he was running for re-election in 2004, envisioning a world in which every American family owned a house and a stock portfolio, and government stayed out of the way of the American Dream.
    These families were, of course, conservative, or at a minimum traditional and nuclear, consisting of a heterosexual married couple and at least two kids living in a stand-alone home with a yard, a car or two and a multimedia room with a flat-screen television. The latter was a new addition to this 21st-century simulacrum of the 1950s "Leave It to Beaver" idyll. But the dream was the same.
    Such a country would be more stable, Bush argued, and more prosperous. "America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," he said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, the...


    Remember the ownership society? President George W. Bush championed the concept when he was running for re-election in 2004, envisioning a world in which every American family owned a house and a stock portfolio, and government stayed out of the way of the American Dream.
    These families were, of course, conservative, or at a minimum traditional and nuclear, consisting of a heterosexual married couple and at least two kids living in a stand-alone home with a yard, a car or two and a multimedia room with a flat-screen television. The latter was a new addition to this 21st-century simulacrum of the 1950s "Leave It to Beaver" idyll. But the dream was the same.
    Such a country would be more stable, Bush argued, and more prosperous. "America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," he said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, they paled in comparison to the financial innovations that grew out of the mortgages—derivatives built on other derivatives, packaged and repackaged until no one could identify what they contained and how much they were, in fact, worth.
    As we know by now, these instruments have brought the global financial system, improbably, to the brink of collapse. And as financial strains drive husbands and wives apart, Bush's ownership ideology may end up having the same effect on the stable nuclear families conservatives so badly wanted to foster.
    The dream of a better society through homeownership didn't originate with George W. Bush. It's as American as Manifest Destiny. The Homestead Act in 1862 offered acres to anyone willing to brave the Western frontier. During Reconstruction, freed slaves were promised "40 acres and a mule." And after World War II, with Levittown and its cousins, affordable homes were a reward of victory. But until very recently, those hopes and dreams were connected to actual income and gainful employment. No longer.
    The giddiness of the Bush years built on the promise of the New Economy era, a promise perfectly encapsulated by a 1999 billboard advertising a shiny new subdivision in Scroggins, Texas, filled with homes that most of their owners couldn't really afford: YES, YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL! That dream took a sharp hit with the collapse of the Internet stock bubble in 2000-2001 and then with 9/11, both of which destroyed billions of dollars of wealth. But it came roaring back in 2002, encouraged by Bush's post-9/11 exhortation that Americans could do their patriotic duty by going shopping and paying lower taxes, even as government spending exploded. Shop they did, and homes they bought.
    (more)
  • Purple ... Luis 2012/06/11 16:32:40
    Purple Pinto ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    I'm so sorry to read of your struggles and terrible experiences with this housing market. California was one of the hardest hit locations, but I'm not telling anyone anything they don't already know with that information.

    It's just sickening to see this carnage. It's also sickening to see those who don't have a clue of the realities and real world experience charged with coming up with the so called solutions. Folks like yourself can't grab onto any faith watching this play out, I'm sure.
  • ehrhornp 2012/06/07 19:39:17
    ehrhornp
    +1
    Better than nothing. Should be done.

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