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"They Could Have Shot Any of Us"
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9/4/2009 2:15:00 PM

""Social mood" may seem like a broad and diffuse concept, but its effects can enter your life -- sometimes even enter by force. This happened close to where I live, just this week. The story is disturbing on its face, but it's also a symptom of a trend we wrote about in the July issue of The Socionomist. It could easily happen to me… or to you."

"Imagine that you've gone to a local convenience store and withdrawn money from an ATM. You walk back out, get in your car and begin backing up... when a black Cadillac SUV pulls next to you. A man jumps out and stands in front of your car. He's pointing a gun. He's yelling. You're frightened. You want to escape. So you keep backing up. Distracted by the gunman in front of you, you bump a second gunman who is behind you. You shift into forward and steer away from them. They run alongside and fire into the vehicle and shoot you. Moments later, as you lay dying, you ask the EMTs: “Do you know who shot me?” They reply, “The police.”"

Read the rest here... take your blood pressure medicine first.

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I don't know who to credit with the article, I just thought it should be know that another innocent American died at the hands of those who protect and serve.
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  • +3 raves brozak September 26, 2009 02:42:43
    brozak
    The link keeps breaking, so here it is in it's entirety...
    Allan Hall is the author BTW

    "Social mood" may seem like a broad and diffuse concept, but its effects can enter your life -- sometimes even enter by force. This happened close to where I live, just this week. The story is disturbing on its face, but it's also a symptom of a trend we wrote about in the July issue of The Socionomist. It could easily happen to me… or to you.

    Imagine that you've gone to a local convenience store and withdrawn money from an ATM. You walk back out, get in your car and begin backing up... when a black Cadillac SUV pulls next to you. A man jumps out and stands in front of your car. He's pointing a gun. He's yelling. You're frightened. You want to escape. So you keep backing up. Distracted by the gunman in front of you, you bump a second gunman who is behind you. You shift into forward and steer away from them. They run alongside and fire into the vehicle and shoot you. Moments later, as you lay dying, you ask the EMTs: “Do you know who shot me?” They reply, “The police.”

    This nightmare became real. Unlike the blue-suited Officer Friendly of the 1950s, today’s drug cops could look like anyone and be driving anything.

    Undercover drug enforcement officers shot and killed a 29-year-old pas...





























    The link keeps breaking, so here it is in it's entirety...
    Allan Hall is the author BTW

    "Social mood" may seem like a broad and diffuse concept, but its effects can enter your life -- sometimes even enter by force. This happened close to where I live, just this week. The story is disturbing on its face, but it's also a symptom of a trend we wrote about in the July issue of The Socionomist. It could easily happen to me… or to you.

    Imagine that you've gone to a local convenience store and withdrawn money from an ATM. You walk back out, get in your car and begin backing up... when a black Cadillac SUV pulls next to you. A man jumps out and stands in front of your car. He's pointing a gun. He's yelling. You're frightened. You want to escape. So you keep backing up. Distracted by the gunman in front of you, you bump a second gunman who is behind you. You shift into forward and steer away from them. They run alongside and fire into the vehicle and shoot you. Moments later, as you lay dying, you ask the EMTs: “Do you know who shot me?” They reply, “The police.”

    This nightmare became real. Unlike the blue-suited Officer Friendly of the 1950s, today’s drug cops could look like anyone and be driving anything.

    Undercover drug enforcement officers shot and killed a 29-year-old pastor on Tuesday, September 1 in Toccoa, Georgia. I know people who knew and loved him and his pregnant wife. Here are excerpts from the September 3 Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    Before he died Wednesday, with bullet wounds to his liver, pastor Jonathan Ayers asked paramedics who shot him….Ayers’ brother-in-law Matt Carpenter believes these words mean one thing -- that the Lavonia minister did not know he was being approached by law enforcement and that he inadvertently stepped into the middle of their drug investigation.
    “I think it scared him,” when the black Cadillac Escalade pulled next to Ayers’ car and two men got out with guns drawn, said Carpenter.
    Carpenter said that’s why he tried to speed away.
    Georgia Bureau of Investigation is examining the fatal shooting. The two plain-clothes officers -- both members of a northeast Georgia tri-county drug task force -- are on administrative leave.
    “I’ve rerun it in my mind,” Carpenter said. “He had used an ATM inside, got into his car and then a black Escalade pulled up and [they] jumped out ... If they ID’d themselves, he couldn’t hear them because his windows were up.”
    GBI spokesman John Bankhead said witnesses heard the two men identify themselves as law enforcement officers.
    The sheriff also told reporters the agents “yelled, ‘Police. Stop.’ ”
    Stephens County Sheriff Randy Shirley said the shooting came after Ayers hit one of the agents with his car as he backed up. The second one shot Ayers because the 29-year-old minister had maneuvered his car toward him in a “threatening manner,” Shirley said.
    Ayers was able to drive away from the Shell station but crashed into a utility pole a short distance away. It was there that Ayers, according to Carpenter, asked paramedics “Who shot me?”
    Ayers died later, soon after surgery.
    The sheriff said Ayers was not a target of the drug investigation.
    The store owner, Joe Joseph, said he didn’t know the agents were law enforcement officers and it looked like they were firing at each other.
    While the agents were shooting, a man was pumping gas just a few feet away and there were other people in the parking lot, Joseph said. Another five or six people were inside the store.
    “I’m surprised nobody got hurt,” Joseph said.
    The agents were assigned to a task force that investigates drug cases in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties. Ayers caught their attention because he was with a woman who twice sold drugs to the officers, said Bankhead.
    “What they saw was indicative of drug transaction,” Bankhead said. “They didn’t know the guy. They followed him to the convenience store and tried to arrest him.”
    The woman’s name has not been released because she is still being questioned about the shooting. She is being held in the Stephens County Jail on drug charges.
    Ayers family believes he was not involved in drugs and they don’t know his connection to the woman.
    Carpenter said people often called the Shoal Creek Baptist Church for help.
    “She was asking for cash and he brought her some cash to help her out,” Carpenter said. “Jonathan sought to do exactly what God wanted him to do.”
    Before going into surgery, Carpenter said Ayers reassured his wife, 16-weeks pregnant with their first child, that he had done nothing wrong.
    “He told Abby ‘I didn’t do anything wrong. I love you. Take care of yourself,’” Carpenter said. “I think he knew he was going to die. But I think he knows where he was going.”

    The video of the shooting is online. You can judge for yourself whether police needlessly frightened an innocent citizen and then used lethal force against him for acting frightened. If they had not shot him, he probably would have gone to a safe place and reported the incident. Now he is dead, and the rest of us are more angry and fearful, and less respectful of law enforcement. People who learn about this story will hesitate to help a person like the woman mentioned above.
    We are past the 48-hour news cycle, so this story may recede like many others in the growing trend of unnecessary police shootings and taser deaths. But fear and a sense of vulnerability grow. Even as we slowly adapt to the bear market and try to protect ourselves from it and the actions of our government, the threats to our safety become harder to identify.



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  • +2 raves
    "Abe" September 26, 2009 14:42:20
    This "issue" isn't just about cops - (I was always taught to call them "policemen - or "policewomen" to show respect - my how times change - "cops" is the current accepted term for them.).

    Anyway, we have "bad guys" and these kinds of "happenings" in ALL phases of society (albeit not to this extreme - most times). I'm just saying!

    We have them (bad folks) in the general public (killings, murder, robber, rape, kidnappings) - we have them in the police ( article just mentioned) - we have them in the government (Tax cheats - either "forgot" some income or "forgot" to pay the taxes: let's see, ummnn - Charles Rangle, Chris Dodd, Tim Geithner, Tom Daschle come to mind right off the bat - some Republicans, too) - we have them in the fire department, -we have them in the local government (local mayors resigning in disgrace (for all kinds of reasons) - we have them in the public schools (teachers - men and women having sex with underage students, "indoctrinating" our kids, etc., etc.) - we have them in "church" (I'll leave that up to you to decide) - we have them in "community organizing" groups (ACORN, DNC, RNC, etc., etc.).

    One "reason" I think ALL states should pass "open carry" for EVERY citizen.

    We live at the mercy of "criminals" - legal and illegal. Just my opinion, as I...

    This "issue" isn't just about cops - (I was always taught to call them "policemen - or "policewomen" to show respect - my how times change - "cops" is the current accepted term for them.).

    Anyway, we have "bad guys" and these kinds of "happenings" in ALL phases of society (albeit not to this extreme - most times). I'm just saying!

    We have them (bad folks) in the general public (killings, murder, robber, rape, kidnappings) - we have them in the police ( article just mentioned) - we have them in the government (Tax cheats - either "forgot" some income or "forgot" to pay the taxes: let's see, ummnn - Charles Rangle, Chris Dodd, Tim Geithner, Tom Daschle come to mind right off the bat - some Republicans, too) - we have them in the fire department, -we have them in the local government (local mayors resigning in disgrace (for all kinds of reasons) - we have them in the public schools (teachers - men and women having sex with underage students, "indoctrinating" our kids, etc., etc.) - we have them in "church" (I'll leave that up to you to decide) - we have them in "community organizing" groups (ACORN, DNC, RNC, etc., etc.).

    One "reason" I think ALL states should pass "open carry" for EVERY citizen.

    We live at the mercy of "criminals" - legal and illegal. Just my opinion, as I see it!

    Shame what happened in the story above. May God be with their family and friends. I'd sure be "suing" - not for "money" but for "justice"!
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  • +1 raves
    brozak "Abe" September 27, 2009 04:05:12 (edited)
    brozak
    I agree Abe, on all you said. It's the lunatic fringe... there will always be the defective one-percent.
    It's just odd at how many of those defects are put in a position of "power"
    Those 1% defects make up 99% of politicians...

    I think all states should pass Vermont/Alaska carry, no permits or permission needed to carry openly or concealed.
    Nice to meet you Abe.
  • +1 raves
    "Abe" brozak September 27, 2009 14:35:38
    I agree with your statement - especially the last part!!
  • +2 raves
    Torchmanner September 26, 2009 12:37:18
    Torchmanner
    All the more reason to prohibit the use of unmarked cars. If there are no lights and sirens there should be NO arrest. Years ago there was an epidemic of cops from out of state and other counties stopping women with their own lighted vehicles. That is the reason they say for women to put on their signal and stop only at a lighted public area with people present.

    Here is another issue: I got ticketed for speeding after following a state patrol car for almost thirty miles. Apparently it is policy to break the law to enforce it.
  • +1 raves
    brozak Torchma... September 27, 2009 04:10:25
    brozak
    Apparently it is policy to break the law to enforce it.

    Now thats a good example of our new "Just us system"
    It took the place of "Justice" when those sworn to uphold and defend the public trust, to protect and serve, stopped being held accountable.
  • +3 raves
    brozak September 26, 2009 02:42:43
    brozak
    The link keeps breaking, so here it is in it's entirety...
    Allan Hall is the author BTW

    "Social mood" may seem like a broad and diffuse concept, but its effects can enter your life -- sometimes even enter by force. This happened close to where I live, just this week. The story is disturbing on its face, but it's also a symptom of a trend we wrote about in the July issue of The Socionomist. It could easily happen to me… or to you.

    Imagine that you've gone to a local convenience store and withdrawn money from an ATM. You walk back out, get in your car and begin backing up... when a black Cadillac SUV pulls next to you. A man jumps out and stands in front of your car. He's pointing a gun. He's yelling. You're frightened. You want to escape. So you keep backing up. Distracted by the gunman in front of you, you bump a second gunman who is behind you. You shift into forward and steer away from them. They run alongside and fire into the vehicle and shoot you. Moments later, as you lay dying, you ask the EMTs: “Do you know who shot me?” They reply, “The police.”

    This nightmare became real. Unlike the blue-suited Officer Friendly of the 1950s, today’s drug cops could look like anyone and be driving anything.

    Undercover drug enforcement officers shot and killed a 29-year-old pas...





























    The link keeps breaking, so here it is in it's entirety...
    Allan Hall is the author BTW

    "Social mood" may seem like a broad and diffuse concept, but its effects can enter your life -- sometimes even enter by force. This happened close to where I live, just this week. The story is disturbing on its face, but it's also a symptom of a trend we wrote about in the July issue of The Socionomist. It could easily happen to me… or to you.

    Imagine that you've gone to a local convenience store and withdrawn money from an ATM. You walk back out, get in your car and begin backing up... when a black Cadillac SUV pulls next to you. A man jumps out and stands in front of your car. He's pointing a gun. He's yelling. You're frightened. You want to escape. So you keep backing up. Distracted by the gunman in front of you, you bump a second gunman who is behind you. You shift into forward and steer away from them. They run alongside and fire into the vehicle and shoot you. Moments later, as you lay dying, you ask the EMTs: “Do you know who shot me?” They reply, “The police.”

    This nightmare became real. Unlike the blue-suited Officer Friendly of the 1950s, today’s drug cops could look like anyone and be driving anything.

    Undercover drug enforcement officers shot and killed a 29-year-old pastor on Tuesday, September 1 in Toccoa, Georgia. I know people who knew and loved him and his pregnant wife. Here are excerpts from the September 3 Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    Before he died Wednesday, with bullet wounds to his liver, pastor Jonathan Ayers asked paramedics who shot him….Ayers’ brother-in-law Matt Carpenter believes these words mean one thing -- that the Lavonia minister did not know he was being approached by law enforcement and that he inadvertently stepped into the middle of their drug investigation.
    “I think it scared him,” when the black Cadillac Escalade pulled next to Ayers’ car and two men got out with guns drawn, said Carpenter.
    Carpenter said that’s why he tried to speed away.
    Georgia Bureau of Investigation is examining the fatal shooting. The two plain-clothes officers -- both members of a northeast Georgia tri-county drug task force -- are on administrative leave.
    “I’ve rerun it in my mind,” Carpenter said. “He had used an ATM inside, got into his car and then a black Escalade pulled up and [they] jumped out ... If they ID’d themselves, he couldn’t hear them because his windows were up.”
    GBI spokesman John Bankhead said witnesses heard the two men identify themselves as law enforcement officers.
    The sheriff also told reporters the agents “yelled, ‘Police. Stop.’ ”
    Stephens County Sheriff Randy Shirley said the shooting came after Ayers hit one of the agents with his car as he backed up. The second one shot Ayers because the 29-year-old minister had maneuvered his car toward him in a “threatening manner,” Shirley said.
    Ayers was able to drive away from the Shell station but crashed into a utility pole a short distance away. It was there that Ayers, according to Carpenter, asked paramedics “Who shot me?”
    Ayers died later, soon after surgery.
    The sheriff said Ayers was not a target of the drug investigation.
    The store owner, Joe Joseph, said he didn’t know the agents were law enforcement officers and it looked like they were firing at each other.
    While the agents were shooting, a man was pumping gas just a few feet away and there were other people in the parking lot, Joseph said. Another five or six people were inside the store.
    “I’m surprised nobody got hurt,” Joseph said.
    The agents were assigned to a task force that investigates drug cases in Stephens, Habersham and Rabun Counties. Ayers caught their attention because he was with a woman who twice sold drugs to the officers, said Bankhead.
    “What they saw was indicative of drug transaction,” Bankhead said. “They didn’t know the guy. They followed him to the convenience store and tried to arrest him.”
    The woman’s name has not been released because she is still being questioned about the shooting. She is being held in the Stephens County Jail on drug charges.
    Ayers family believes he was not involved in drugs and they don’t know his connection to the woman.
    Carpenter said people often called the Shoal Creek Baptist Church for help.
    “She was asking for cash and he brought her some cash to help her out,” Carpenter said. “Jonathan sought to do exactly what God wanted him to do.”
    Before going into surgery, Carpenter said Ayers reassured his wife, 16-weeks pregnant with their first child, that he had done nothing wrong.
    “He told Abby ‘I didn’t do anything wrong. I love you. Take care of yourself,’” Carpenter said. “I think he knew he was going to die. But I think he knows where he was going.”

    The video of the shooting is online. You can judge for yourself whether police needlessly frightened an innocent citizen and then used lethal force against him for acting frightened. If they had not shot him, he probably would have gone to a safe place and reported the incident. Now he is dead, and the rest of us are more angry and fearful, and less respectful of law enforcement. People who learn about this story will hesitate to help a person like the woman mentioned above.
    We are past the 48-hour news cycle, so this story may recede like many others in the growing trend of unnecessary police shootings and taser deaths. But fear and a sense of vulnerability grow. Even as we slowly adapt to the bear market and try to protect ourselves from it and the actions of our government, the threats to our safety become harder to identify.



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  • +1 raves
    Torchma... brozak September 26, 2009 12:57:24 (edited)
    Torchmanner
    City cops here were chasing a guy in a pick-up for a minor offense and shot and killed him in a residential neighborhood. There were several cops involved. They could have easily disabled the vehicle instead.
    And there are those that don't think anyone but cops should have body armor. Wrong. I think everyone should have body armor if they want it. Companies shouldn't be allowed to restricted sales to military or law enforcement only. There are some good deals on Ebay.
  • brozak Torchma... September 27, 2009 04:19:17
    brozak
    Close to here a kidnapping call came in... the officers making dynamic entry front door and back door caught sight of each other and lay down 30+ rounds at each other in 5-10 seconds... Luckily no one was hurt... well, 1 fridge was found DOA

    If the officers, who obviously didn't have a warrant or identify themselves properly
    couldn't tell who was coming through the door... How could Joe Public be expected to? and why were they shooting at an unidentified target?

    Just blows my mind! Those officers are all back to work now... protecting and serving. Glad I don't live within their jurisdiction!

    Ebay is a great source for all sorts of things! There is even a guy who will make custom ballistic panels to fit just about anything you would want.
    Nice to meet you Torch.
  • +2 raves
    cuz September 26, 2009 02:16:34
    cuz
    Brozak, I get this when I try to pull up the article.
    http://www.elliottwave.com/fe...
  • +2 raves
    brozak cuz September 26, 2009 02:18:26
    brozak
    ooops, I'll track it down for you cuz...
  • +1 raves
    brozak cuz September 26, 2009 02:43:32
    brozak
    Got it cuz, but the link wouldn't work for me so I posted it above...
  • +3 raves
    cuz brozak September 26, 2009 02:45:35
    cuz
    Thanks Brozak. Do you mind if I use it in a private group?
  • +2 raves
    brozak cuz September 26, 2009 04:24:53
    brozak
    Absolutely cuz, always.
  • +3 raves
    roger September 26, 2009 01:12:05
    roger
    forever more bro...
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    brozak roger September 26, 2009 01:18:48
    brozak
    Thousands and thousands of deaths at the feet of empire roger, and no accountability, gets me every time.
  • roger brozak September 26, 2009 07:57:53
    roger
    love the wii expose...good one eh!
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    ♥~Rainbow~♥ September 20, 2009 00:54:39
    ♥~Rainbow~♥
    i am out of BP meds........ maybe later. ; ))
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    brozak ♥~Rainb... September 20, 2009 01:24:18
    brozak
    you got the gear and knowledge though ;))
    gear
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    ♥~Rainb... brozak September 20, 2009 01:25:56
    ♥~Rainbow~♥
    i haz a skill.....; PPP haz skill ppp
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    brozak ♥~Rainb... September 20, 2009 02:17:25
    brozak
    Helloooo Nurse!

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