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There are some who will write in Ron Paul; fully knowing it will allow Obama to be re-elected. Are these people more concerned about their values or the country?

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Some here and in our country supported Ron Paul for President; a fine thing to do.
Ron Paul is a great man.
His ideas are revolutionary; they would work to help our country.

But he will not be standing at the podium accepting the nomination for the GOP at the convention.

A brokered convention will NEVER happen.

There is too much at stake for the United States...I know; there will be arguments left and right.
Obama is the man for the job; well; he's the only one that has a job that he doesn't worry about. The USA at the present won't be hanging a sign;CLOSED FOR BUSINESS.

But many have that worry; every night. They don't know of they'll have a job tomorrow; or next week or next month.

And 15-20 million who don't have the luxury of worrying about their jobs. They haven't had one in a VERY long time.

Romney is not a Savior. He is not Reagan. Or Clinton.
But we have to stop this madness that has the country gripped in worry.

We need a break from this.

All I can say is Romney ran a state. He ran businesses. I know there are valid arguments pro and con.

Bot Obama is leading this country down a road we will never recover from. And there are those who believe;rightfully so; he may never relinquish the Presidency;ever.

So what do you say...A vote for a chance at peace; or the same thing; but more extreme or even worse..


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  • Freedom Mom 2012/06/18 07:12:20 (edited)
    None of the above
    Freedom Mom
    +17
    All Americans including Ron Paul supporters care very much about this country. My fight is not with Liberitarians, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberials or Conservatives nor moderates. My fight has always been with the PROGRESSIVE groups that choose who Americans get to vote for. CFR- Council Of Foreign Relations, TC- Trilaterial Commission and UN- United Nations. The CFR Council Of Foreign Relations wins every election and has been for over 80 years.



    Many RP supporters are aware of this, as well as others. Who is Mitt Romney? What is his record during the time he was governor? What Progressive groups does Mitt Romney belong to? Are Mitt Romney's polices like Obama's? What issues did Romney flip flop on before? What were Romney's quotes in the past, that may not match what he says today? These are the questions Americans should be investigating, in-stead of fighting with each other.

    REMEMBER when Obama ran for President? If Americans were paying attention and did some serious research and look up Obama's voting record they would have known when Obama ran for President he was against all of Bushes policies, but if you looked up his voting record he voted right along with Bush Jr. policies when he was a senator. Hummm. Imagine that. Americans would have known he was li...





















    All Americans including Ron Paul supporters care very much about this country. My fight is not with Liberitarians, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberials or Conservatives nor moderates. My fight has always been with the PROGRESSIVE groups that choose who Americans get to vote for. CFR- Council Of Foreign Relations, TC- Trilaterial Commission and UN- United Nations. The CFR Council Of Foreign Relations wins every election and has been for over 80 years.



    Many RP supporters are aware of this, as well as others. Who is Mitt Romney? What is his record during the time he was governor? What Progressive groups does Mitt Romney belong to? Are Mitt Romney's polices like Obama's? What issues did Romney flip flop on before? What were Romney's quotes in the past, that may not match what he says today? These are the questions Americans should be investigating, in-stead of fighting with each other.

    REMEMBER when Obama ran for President? If Americans were paying attention and did some serious research and look up Obama's voting record they would have known when Obama ran for President he was against all of Bushes policies, but if you looked up his voting record he voted right along with Bush Jr. policies when he was a senator. Hummm. Imagine that. Americans would have known he was lieing all along.



    The CFR's Study No. 7, published November 25, 1959, openly declared its true purpose:..building a New International Order (which) must be responsive to world aspirations for peace, (and) for social and economic change...an International order (code for world government)...including states labeling themselves as "Socialist." One could safely say that a nutshell descriptor of the CFR is "to bring about the NWO through the manipulation of US foreign policy and relations and through international economic interdependence."



    Does this sound like what is happening to America today? Hummm, and you thought it was just Obama and the Democrats. Obama is a CFR member and now has 11 out of 12 key power positions are controled by CFR members. When Americans vote for a CFR canidate and that canidate wins the election he or she appoints CFR members to the executive branch. I have some important info for those who want it, the CFR is in both parties and they have been taking turns at it. They create CFR legislation, pass it to CFR members in both parties and then present it to the public and if you follow the paper trail its amazing how they use taypayer money to enslave the Americans at the same time. CFR International and National corporations get rich, use your tax money and take your constitutional rights away at the same time. So the answer is keep voting them in and expect change? Is that logical? No more logical than throughing your vote away? So what is the difference? Either way freedom is lost and the CFR wins the election again.



    The CFR's Annual Report in 1974 says the project for the CFR in the 80"s will be "The management of the International economy, global poverty, enviroment and the new "common"..oceans, the seabeds, and space,and interstate violence, including arms control.

    What they are saying is the management of your money. your land, your grocries, and your guns.

    My,my, it sounds as if the Sea Treaty has already passed, but the The Sea Treaty wasn't introduced to the public until the early 80's and the CFR report was written in 1974. Hummm

    So if I don't jump on the band wagon and vote for, (less of two evils) and through away what I have learned and studied about these groups for years and learned how the system really works and vote for another CFR member like Mitt Romney Iam not a patriot? I don't care about my country? Hummm, and some people have the nerve to call that a choice?



    Well lets take a look at Mitt Romney? Shall we. While Romney professed expertise in creating jobs Mass. ranked 47th in job growth during his time as governor.Job growth was 0.9%. Mass. suffered the second largest labor force decline in the nation- only Louisana, which was ravaged by Katrina in 2005 saw a bigger decline in its labor force than Mass during Romney's tenure as governor. The US. Census Bureau estimated that between July 2002 thru July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Mass, for other states than came to it. Romney left Mass residents with 10,504 in per capita bond debt the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. 14% of Maunfacturing jobs were lost in Mass. In 2004, Romney vetoed legislation that would have banned companies doing business with the state from out sourcing jobs to other countries. Romney said he was not a partison Republican "but rather a "moderate" with progressive views". No thanks, if RP is not on the ballot. I will vote for Gary Johnson. I will not vote for another CFR member again. But as far as Iam concerned, Campaign for Liberty will never die, maybe RP and Rand have had their set backs, but the message of true liberty will never die and shouldn't. Americans have gotten what they voted for, thats the problem the (less of two evils) and so the AGENDA continues. Funny, you get what you vote for, and sometimes others that know better suffer also because other voters didn't do their homework, they just get their info from the big 6 the 6 CFR corporations that own and control all media.
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  • DeeB 2012/06/23 00:57:07
    The country
    DeeB
    +3
    Hey Space if we didn't care about the country we wouldn't be voting at all. Looks to me that anyone that votes for either Obama or Romney are the ones that don't care about the country. Mark my words, you will be very sorry, but thanks for selling out that country you claim to love. Welcome to the NEW World Order, thanks to the brainwashed!
  • CrazyDeen0 2012/06/20 18:51:47
    None of the above
    CrazyDeen0
    +6
    I concur with Freedom Mom, and to add to that.. If So called Republicans cared so much as to how RP supporters voted, then maybe they shouldn't have abandoned the libertarian wing of the party. THE REAL CONSERVATIVES. Oh but now its our fault if Obama gets re elected because we won't vote for another progressive with an (R) behind his name that was beat in 2008 by the biggest closet liberal of all time McLame? You get what you deserve... which is going to just be more of the same...
  • morning... CrazyDeen0 2012/06/20 22:23:14
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +5
    Good for you! I don't buy into the propaganda and fear tactics of the alleged "wasted vote" for those who aren't the establishment candidates to "choose" from. If we were to be honest about wasted votes, it would be fair to say that votes cast for every major presidential candidate since Woodrow Wilson's tenure have been wasted votes. Doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results, as this public has done, is not only a waste of time, but a symptom of much greater problems.
  • CrazyDeen0 morning... 2012/06/21 13:47:28
    CrazyDeen0
    +4
    Absolutely correct, too bad only a few tend to see it. I am so sick and tired of being blamed for not voting for someone I completely disagree with. To me, voting for Romney is like voting for Obama. Makes me sick either way, and I want no part of it.
  • morning... CrazyDeen0 2012/06/21 19:57:16
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +4
    You and me both!
  • Freedom... morning... 2012/06/22 20:43:54 (edited)
    Freedom Mom
    +2
    Amen and you and Deen are right. Both Mitt Romney and Obama are CFR members they will keep the CFR Agenda going.
  • Freedom... CrazyDeen0 2012/06/23 22:40:37
    Freedom Mom
    +1
    I agree you took the words right out of my mouth. LOL
  • CrazyDeen0 Freedom... 2012/06/25 12:38:24
  • Freedom... CrazyDeen0 2012/06/22 20:40:33 (edited)
    Freedom Mom
    +2
    Thank you for your support. I came to sodahead to tell the truth and support others that do the same.
  • CrazyDeen0 Freedom... 2012/06/25 12:38:41
    CrazyDeen0
    +1
    Your welcome, and likewise
  • morning40oz~mad as hell 2012/06/19 20:53:46
    The country
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +6
    I will be writing in Ron Paul if that is what I have to do. Whether Obama or Romney wins the "election", America loses. It is time for the people of this country to get some spine and stand up for what we believe in, not what we are TOLD to believe.

    It is true that there is too much at stake for the US. I ask you, then, how in good conscience, could ANYONE vote for either Obama OR Romney?

    If there is a question of what is doing what is BEST for our country, then a vote for Ron Paul or anyone other than these two great sellouts is the answer.

    At the end of the day, I will be able to look myself in the mirror and know I did what was best for this country, my family, and what I believe is the Christian thing to do.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/19 15:40:29
    The country
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +6
    I am a Ron Paul supporter and wrote him in during the 08 election.




    ron paul
  • 9th of 9 2012/06/19 10:59:31
    None of the above
    9th of 9
    +6
    Where are these Ron Paul supporters who "fully know" Obama will be re-elected. Point them out to me. Do it through mail if you have to, but prove it to me.

    You are right about one thing though, Romney is not a savior, he is a loyalist to the global crown. If he cared anything about Sovereignty and Independence, you would see him standing up against the Patriot Acts, FISA, NDAA, Militarism and other policies that are THE SAME policies Obama supports.
  • Tinka123 2012/06/19 03:02:22
    Neither
    Tinka123
    +5
    Can only speak for myself - but I won't be voting for any progs, repub or dem, anytime soon. Has nothing to do with Ron Paul.
  • Tasine 2012/06/19 02:14:36
    None of the above
    Tasine
    +5
    I have no intention of "writing in" my vote, and I've spent a lifetime voting for the persons the parties offered. However, all too often I never got to vote for the one I wanted because the party pushed him out of the race before my state even got to vote. So....I've voted for over 50 years, faithfully, and look where it has gotten me - a nation that has been murdered by those people ALL OF US ELECTED. I'm tired of it. As long as we continue this ingrained habit, we can expect to get nowhere.

    Just this ONCE, I intend to vote my principles, and Gary Johnson reflects my values better than Romney (Obama gets no possibility of my vote). If EVERYONE voted for his principles, hell, if everyone KNEW what their principles are, the major parties could be in big trouble - and THAT would benefit America immeasurably. I strongly suggest that instead of voting for/against "policies", vote instead for the ones who reflect YOUR values because that person will do well by you.
  • cuz Tasine 2012/06/19 03:55:36
    cuz
    +3
    Well put.
  • Tasine cuz 2012/06/19 13:44:44
    Tasine
    +1
    Thanks, Cuz.
  • Striker 2012/06/19 01:49:18
    None of the above
    Striker
    +7
    NO WAY am I voting for Obama or his twin half-brother. That entire sick philosophy of Force must go. If the RINO Party can't nominate someone with Principles, don't even bother. Do you idiots not see how the Dem-Reps have taken this country to the brink of abyss? Do you not even CARE? I'll be voting AND campaigning for Gary Johnson and the Libertarians, unless Ron Paul gets on the ballot somehow. Write-ins don't count.
  • prayer warrior 2012/06/19 01:33:10
    Their personal Values
    prayer warrior
    +2
    They are standing up for what they believe and I commend them for that. You have people that will vote for Ralph Nader for the same reason if he runs.
  • IndyLinda 2012/06/18 21:21:16
    Neither
    IndyLinda
    You did not give me the option of "Because they are idiots."
  • gregaj7 2012/06/18 19:15:52 (edited)
    None of the above
    gregaj7
    +8
    They understand what most of the rest don't. Mitt and Barack are political twins. This is essentially a repeat of the 2004 Bush v Kerry "Bonesman" 'election'. While there are good reasons to be very concerned about a re-appointment of Obama, the Sheeple should be really and deeply concerned about an appointment of Romney. Many of the Paul supporters you're referring to grasp this and know that there is no option in the Romney/Obama "game", which is why the stand for Ron Paul and no other.

    Either ABO will "elect"/appoint Romney, or it won't. Of the two, I prefer Obama for ONE reason: Obama has pushed more Sheeple to research what is really happening and why more than any other CEO of "United States" Inc. With an "R" in the WH, Folk tend to relax a bit.
  • Tasine gregaj7 2012/06/19 02:16:38
    Tasine
    +3
    Kudos to you for telling it like it is.
  • gregaj7 Tasine 2012/06/19 02:54:15
    gregaj7
    +2
    Thanks!
  • ray 2012/06/18 15:56:27
    Neither
    ray
    +1
    I hate Ron Paul. I doubt he's worse than Obama,though. People who support Ron Paul love this country, but people who support Obama are either naive or complete idiots.
  • Farnsworth 2012/06/18 15:55:09
    Their personal Values
    Farnsworth
    Paulbots have stated this to me in many replies
  • Tasine Farnsworth 2012/06/19 02:17:40
    Tasine
    +4
    I'm probably one who has stated I will vote for my principles as voting for Party people has gotten us to this point. It has failed.
  • Farnsworth Tasine 2012/06/19 12:06:21
    Farnsworth
    +1
    I understand that, but in this case with another 4 years of Obama in office, it's time to set aside a vote on "principal" to remove the greatest threat to America in it's history.
  • cuz 2012/06/18 14:18:15
    None of the above
    cuz
    +10
    It matters little if Obama or Romney is at the helm. The way so many Americans have allowed themselves to be deceived with the left/right paradigm voting is useless anyway. Let the wars continue.


    Lindsay: Romney's neocon advisers and the prospect for interminable war

    Read more: http://www.metrowestdailynews...
  • gregaj7 cuz 2012/06/19 03:00:08
    gregaj7
    +5
    Welcome to the Roman Empire, Western edition, 2012.
  • cuz gregaj7 2012/06/19 03:53:54
    cuz
    +6
    I'm just about to finish this. That's exactly what brought the Roman empire down. Taxation to keep the wars and empire building going.
    http://www.amazon.com/Collaps...
  • gregaj7 cuz 2012/06/19 06:24:47
    gregaj7
    +3
    Thanks, I'll wait for the DVD, or at least an audio cd. ;)
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/06/18 13:51:32 (edited)
    None of the above
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    No it is not about values; it is about ego and nothing more. If they cared about values and the country, they would vote to oust Obama and work within the system to make changes.



    Hell, look at the democrats - the far, far left now controls that party and got Obama elected - the far far left could not win years ago but they wormed their way into the party and changed it from a noble party to what it is today.- a party dedicated to the down fall of America.



    Now I do not think the Paul supporter wants the down fall of America or anything close to it but they will have to chose between their egos and the nation. One can only hope they care enough to make the right choice.
  • morning... Jackie ... 2012/06/20 22:33:56
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +6
    About ego and nothing more, Jackie? That is a complete and utter falsehood. It is 100% about the the betterment of this country. We DO care enough to make the right choice and it certainly won't be casting a vote for Obama or his brother from another mother.
  • Jackie ... morning... 2012/06/20 23:53:13
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    It is my observation and my opinion - the country will not be 100% better by electing Obama and not Paul either. The best we can hope for is to begin the hard and lengthy process of returning to financial sanity and Romney is the only one who has the experience to begin the process. It will take many many years but we need to begin and now.
  • morning... Jackie ... 2012/06/21 11:21:02
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +3
    You are entitled to that opinion. However, it is a travesty to unjustly accuse those who feel, in their hearts, no less than you, that Ron Paul is the best answer to what ails this country of allowing ego to obscure critical judgment and values. Such an assumption could very well be deemed egotistical.

    Take another look at Romney, Jackie. He is no less dangerous than Obama and has nearly the same identical financial backers to prove it. We were right about Obama and we are right about Romney. No matter which of these two candidates win the "election", America loses. That's not egotistical. That's a FACT.
  • Jackie ... morning... 2012/06/21 13:37:14
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Romney is the nominee of the republican party - Paul lost and garnered less than 6% of the vote. I want Obama out before he does more destruction and anyone who says they care about the nation should want him out too.

    No it is not a fact, it is what you think and there is no evidence to reach that decision at all. His record is excellent, not perfect, but excellent. Of course he (as would Paul if he were the nominee) will have similar donors from certain areas - the big corporations always donate to both sides - that is proof of nothing.

    Obama must go and I will be working to that end
  • morning... Jackie ... 2012/06/21 19:59:46
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +3
    I don't really care that he is the nominee of the Republican party. As usual, they got it wrong....AGAIN. What good is it going to be to get Obama out if Romney is just going to follow in his footsteps?

    What on earth has Romney done to prove that he has a remotely excellent record at anything other than snowing the gullible?

    You go right on ahead and spin your wheels. I don't want to see you bitching when you see Romney is just Obama's clone.
  • Jackie ... morning... 2012/06/21 20:18:37
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    They are not remotely the same - they stand up to tinkle - that is it.
    Not going over the same ground over and over - pointless with Paul supporters.

    Have a good afternoon
  • morning... Jackie ... 2012/06/22 13:36:53 (edited)
    morning40oz~mad as hell
    +3
    They are nearly identical!!! It's not about Ron Paul, Jackie. Quite honestly, I don't believe anyone of integrity, such as Ron Paul, is going to be allowed within hundreds of miles of the White House. It's about absolute facts and voting records. The only difference between your mindset and those who supported Obama during the last election is your candidate of choice. I am not going to finish off with a disingenuous good afternoon because it is aggravating to me that you would attribute my support for someone as clouding good judgment and skipping over little things like facts. I don't dislike you, but I sure as heck don't like your attitude.
  • Katfish 2012/06/18 13:31:29
    The country
    Katfish
    +10
    The beheading pendulum swings to the left, then it swings back to the right over and over but with each pass it inches closer to the throat.
    I dot not play the "lesser of 2 evils" game and until the rest of the public does the same, the government will remain corporate controlled.

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