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The Wild Conspiracy Theory Driving The Fast And Furious Investigation

ProudProgressive 2012/06/24 13:45:57
While the birthers have cemented their place in the delusional hall of fame, a new contestant has appeared that might just give them a run for their money. This may be the single most delusional lie the Right Wing has come up with.

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The Wild Conspiracy Theory Driving The Fast And Furious Investigation
By Annie-Rose Strasser
Jun 22, 2012

Here is theory that some Congressional Republicans believe: The Obama Administration intentionally handed over automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels, who they knew would commit violent acts, because they wanted to scare Americans into supporting stricter gun laws.

That supposed series of events has now led Congress to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt.

Holder is caught up in a scandal over what happened during Operation Fast and Furious, one in a series of efforts started under former President Bush, in which firearms owned by the U.S. government are intentionally sold to criminals with the hopes that they can be traced back, and criminal activity can be monitored. One such firearm turned up at the crime scene where border patrol agent Brian Terry was killed.

Republicans cite the case as a national security issue, but they've simultaneously turned it into an indictment over what they believe is a conspiracy aimed at taking away their own firearms. They argue that this was all a ploy to expose how dangerous guns can be. Here are the facts you should know about the conspiracy, and who's behind it:

The man who started the conspiracy theory also rallied people to break congressional windows. Mike Vanderboegh, a man who once called for militias to break the windows of members of Congress because of the passage of the Affordable Care Act, started this conspiracy theory. Rachel Maddow uncovered that Vanderboegh has been encouraging members of Congress to embrace the theory.

Major Republicans, including Darrell Issa, endorse this conspiracy theory. Among those are Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), who is Chair of the House Oversight Committee and is heading up the investigation of Eric Holder. In an interview on FOX, Issa said, "very clearly, they made a crisis, and they're using this crisis to somehow take away or limit people's Second Amendment rights." He also pushed the theory at an NRA convention. But Issa isn't the only one who is buying in: former Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich just two days ago agreed with the theory. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), and many other Republicans have voiced support for this theory too.

The NRA is driving the conspiracy theory paranoia though ads. The National Rifle Association is furthering the paranoia as a way to rally gun owners by running advertisements and a petition calling on President Obama to fire Eric Holder. The ads don't specifically mention the gun control conspiracy, but the Executive Director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action is a full-throttle conspiracy believer. The NRA also threatened members of Congress who voted on the contempt charge yesterday, saying that a vote against contempt would reflect poorly on that member's pro-gun ratings.

Conspiracy theorists blame Holder for a new gun law he didn't make. Even if one were to believe the vast conspiracy theory, a linchpin in the theorists' argument is based on a false premise. They say that recently Holder ordered the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) to report anyone who bought more than one large gun in five day as a way to track American gun owners. In reality, ATF made a request about reporting gun purchases and the Justice Department only approved it after a delay.

Issa defended Bush for the same thing of which he is accusing Holder. Issa has been tearing apart Holder for not wanting to hand over private communications from the Justice Department that could compromise ongoing criminal investigations. But when George Bush refused to do the same thing in 2007, Issa blasted the move as a "political witch hunt."

Last year, the Vice President of the NRA said that there is "a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment." This conspiracy theory feeds directly into that sentiment. But there is absolutely no evidence that the President has any intention of tightening gun laws. In fact, he's loosening regulations on firearm exports.

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  • sockpuppet 2012/06/24 13:50:50
    sockpuppet
    +9
    No... it was just another botched government project, like Waco or Randy Weaver. Had this happened on a Conservative's watch, the Left would be all over it... as they've demonstrated so often in the past.

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  • GettingBarried 2012/06/27 02:27:42
    GettingBarried
    Obama is pandering to voting blocs; amnesty for hispanic votes, alleged GOP attack on women for women's votes, this horsecrap for the anti-gun lobby. Obama knows he has an army of nit wit followers that would back him no matter how desperate. I find it remarkable that Obama can literally do no wrong in the eyes of these lefty whackos. Funnily enough, most times Obama's silliness is chalked up somehow to something Bush did.
  • stormy rae 2012/06/24 17:55:53
    stormy rae
    +1
    if the F7F is a lie, then why wont Holder turn over the docs in the investigation, let me tell you something from a rwnj Obamas issuance of Exec Privledge with Eric Holder is going to nail Obama to the wall, he lied under oath and said he knew nothing about it, the issuance of Exec Privledge means Obama admitted to knowing of the operation, as Exec Privledge only protects the Presidents communications. Let me ask you a question since you think its a conspiracy, yet 2 border patrol agents got killed in the process of this operation, and atf and border agents have testified under oath that they were told to abandon their posts, Obama has himself told border patrol to loosen up on immigration. If Obama and Holder did nothing then the docs wouldnt be an issue, obviously there is something incriminating, this is why you call it a conspiracy, when the only conspirators in the operation F&F; are the criminals in charge, lol funny, cuz Obama is a conspirator to this crime as well, you should get your crying rag back out, cuz his lawyers will be back in court over the birther case, and guess what, his daddy wasnt born here is USA, so therefore you cannot argue he was born in Hawaii, he stilll needs 2 parents American born, so the idiot is completely ineligible your messiah is going down
  • ProudPr... stormy rae 2012/06/24 18:23:26
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    How can you get so many things totally wrong in just one comment?

    1. Holder did not lie under oath.

    2. Executive Privilege applies to the ENTIRE executive branch of the United States Government, including of course the Department of Justice. It is not in any way restricted to Presidential communications. It is physically impossible for any one individual, even President Obama, to be familiar with every document produced by the entire executive branch. We're talking about literally millions of documents a year. Anything within the executive branch that the President believes should be made confidential because of the potential damage to national security or for other reasons is subject to executive privilege.

    3. One border agent died, not two. His name was Brian Terry.

    4. The President has never told the border patrol to "loosen up" on immigration. That's why border crossings are at their lowest level in well over a decade.

    5. I didn't call it a conspiracy. It's the witch hunters who are upset with the fact that Holder is trying to protect the voting rights of millions of American citizens that have dreamt up this conspiracy theory.

    6. The birther nonsense was over four years ago. Get over it. The black guy won, and you're going to have to live with that for another five years.
  • HOMBRE ProudPr... 2012/06/27 03:30:36
    HOMBRE
    Bull he changed his answers twice, He got caught
  • luvguins 2012/06/24 16:55:22
    luvguins
    +2
    What would Republicans have to run on if not the latest conspiracy they can dream up. This one sure passes the ludicrous test. If Issa really wanted the truth about gun running he would call on the ATF agents, and Mulkazy involved from the beginning of it. Issa claims now he knew nothing about Operation Gunrunner when he was one who approved the funding of it. It shows that he and the GOP are on a mission to try and oust Holder who is stepping all over their toes by not defending DOMA, challenging the states over zealous immigration crackdowns, and their voter suppression and purge attempts against the Voter Rights Act.

    Why is the right believing Romney's current stance on gun control anyway? Because he joined the NRA? From the time he ran for the Senate against Kennedy in '94 he was all anti-gun. In 1994, Romney Backed Assault Weapons Ban and the Brady Bill, boasting “That’s Not Going To Make Me The Hero Of The NRA.”“[Romney] said he will take stands that put him at odds with some traditional ultra-conservative groups, and cited his support for the assault rifle ban and the Brady gun control law. ‘That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA,’ he said. ‘I don’t line up with a lot of special interest groups.’”(Andrew Miga,“Mitt Rejects Right-Wing Aid,”Boston Herald , 9/23/...
    What would Republicans have to run on if not the latest conspiracy they can dream up. This one sure passes the ludicrous test. If Issa really wanted the truth about gun running he would call on the ATF agents, and Mulkazy involved from the beginning of it. Issa claims now he knew nothing about Operation Gunrunner when he was one who approved the funding of it. It shows that he and the GOP are on a mission to try and oust Holder who is stepping all over their toes by not defending DOMA, challenging the states over zealous immigration crackdowns, and their voter suppression and purge attempts against the Voter Rights Act.

    Why is the right believing Romney's current stance on gun control anyway? Because he joined the NRA? From the time he ran for the Senate against Kennedy in '94 he was all anti-gun. In 1994, Romney Backed Assault Weapons Ban and the Brady Bill, boasting “That’s Not Going To Make Me The Hero Of The NRA.”“[Romney] said he will take stands that put him at odds with some traditional ultra-conservative groups, and cited his support for the assault rifle ban and the Brady gun control law. ‘That’s not going to make me the hero of the NRA,’ he said. ‘I don’t line up with a lot of special interest groups.’”(Andrew Miga,“Mitt Rejects Right-Wing Aid,”Boston Herald , 9/23/94)  Romney In 1994: 5-Day Waiting Period Won’t Have “Massive Effect On Crime But … Will Have A Positive Effect.”“The candidate reiterated his support for an assault weapons ban contained in Congress’crime bill, and the Brady law which imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases. ‘I don’t think (the waiting period) will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect,’ Romney said.”(Joe Battenfeld, “Herald Panel Grills Romney On Crime,”Boston Herald , 8/1/94) As Governor, Romney Quadrupled Gun Licensing Fees And Vowed Not To “Chip Away” At Tough Gun Laws.
    More evidence that Romney will say anything to get votes.
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  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/24 18:25:22
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    WOW you just refuse to admit anything. What does ROMNEY have to do with the SUBJECT OF THIS BLOG?

    I cant wait to see the moronic blogs from you clowns attempting to incriminate ROMNEY in the ARMING OF THE MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS that 0WEbama and HOLDER have done.
  • ProudPr... marcuss... 2012/06/24 18:48:39
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    As I explained to you earlier, it was the Bush Administration's plan that led to any guns crossing the border. And Romney is relevant because the only reason the Republicans are off on another lame brain witch hunt is to try to help Romney get elected.
  • marcuss... ProudPr... 2012/06/24 23:54:01
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    LOL! Who was it that invoked EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE because of FAST and FURIOUS? If 0WEbama has nothing to hide he would not have done so.

    You LWNJs will do ANYTHING you can.....But its not going to work.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/24 19:07:50
    luvguins
    Romney sure has flip flopped on gun control and Issa is now accusing the president of having a motive to ditch the second amendment with fear over the effects of gun trafficking. Very relevant. It was Bush and company that started the gun running.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/24 23:55:31
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    What does your post have to do with sending WEAPONS to the DRUG CARTELS in Mexico?

    NOTHING
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/25 00:36:44
    luvguins
    Something to give Issa to weave into a conspiracy. Why doesn't he call the ATF agents and others involved from the beginning? Simple. He has a vendetta only against Holder and the president for going against the GOP on DOMA, immigration, and voter supression. He has had 2 years to bring this up, but how convenient at election time.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/25 01:18:52 (edited)
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    It was a ATF agent that EXPOSED the whole operation.

    If there is nothing to hide there would be no need for EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE.

    You must agree that by using EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE 0WEbama and Holder have something to fear. The big problem with that is it does not cover Holders ass only 0WEbamas.

    How convenient at ELECTION TIME to wave the EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. Holder is going to have to come clean, hes not going to have a choice.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/25 02:58:28
    luvguins
    +1
    Come clean about what? Bush never should have started it, Issa should have not voted with others to fund it 2008, and some documents are classified and should not be given over to the committee. Bush used executive privilege 6 times, and definitely when he was trying to save AG Gonzalez's butt.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/26 15:47:04
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    Bush ended the joint operation when the Mexican police recovered the guns with the tracker chips in them. Why no blame for 0WEbama for starring it back up without Mexican knowledge? Because no matter what 0WEbama does he has your blessings.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/26 22:33:15
    luvguins
    Not true. Bush's last operation, the Medrano operation, was done without the Mexican government's knowledge. The ATF kept it going from there.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/26 23:36:45
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +1
    LOL, You reek of desperation.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/26 23:44:56
    luvguins
    That would be you trying to justify Issa's witch hunt.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/27 01:29:36
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +1
    So you approve of 0WEbama arming the Mexican drug cartels?
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/27 02:03:44
    luvguins
    Obama personally did not put guns in Mexican cartels. Even Issa on Fox News Sunday said he had no evidewnce the White House was involved.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/27 02:11:57
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +1
    Of course he has no evidence......YET. How can you prove the OBVIOUS without the 30k of documents being withheld. EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE sure makes you wonder what the TRUTH is though. Well most of the country anyway.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/27 02:49:41
    luvguins
    Most of the country isn't even following this. Issa is wasting time for political purpose only.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/27 02:53:27 (edited)
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    BWAHAHAHAH! Who told you that? I bet PMSNBC.

    Do you still have a THRILL up your leg too?
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/27 03:23:57
    luvguins
    Check the Fox News Site, stooge. Romney giving you a woodie?
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/27 03:27:07 (edited)
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    Seems 0WEbama is giving you a mouthful. Oh wait you are a female.

    I checked the fox news site,

    Contempt Vote Looms as 'Fast & Furious' Talks Fail

    FBI rescues 79 kids held as sex slaves in US
    (are they foreigners?)

    Army drops universal camo plan after billions spent

    What am I supposed to be looking for?
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/27 03:36:00
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/27 03:38:29
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    Of course you would say that....PLEASE provide the link you supposedly have.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/27 04:41:12 (edited)
    luvguins
    On “Fox News Sunday,” a clip of Mr. Boehner’s statement was played and Mr. Issa was asked in an interview whether his committee had evidence that White House officials had knowingly misled Congress about the case.

    “No, we don’t,” Mr. Issa said. “And I hope they don’t get involved. I hope this stays at Justice. And I hope that Justice cooperates, because ultimately, Justice lied to the American people.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/0...

    Issa's statement about the president spoken on Fox News occurs on minute 15 of this video.
    http://youtu.be/MwrrD24oTzo
  • ProudPr... marcuss... 2012/06/25 11:40:52
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    It's only because it's "election time" that Issa is staging this witch hunt in the first place. While Congress continues to ignore its responsibilities, this hearing is simply yet another distraction in hopes that the American people might not notice how severely the Republicans are sabotaging our economy.
  • marcuss... ProudPr... 2012/06/26 15:42:34
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    18 months ago is not just before election time. You clowns every excuse possible.
  • luvguins marcuss... 2012/06/26 22:33:59
    luvguins
    Then they should have had a hearing and soon as Holder stopped it.
  • marcuss... luvguins 2012/06/26 23:37:18
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +1
    Holder has been fighting them for a YEAR. Get your facts straight.
  • Getting... marcuss... 2012/06/27 02:23:45
    GettingBarried
    +1
    If Holder wanted this stopped, he could have stated things honestly a year ago instead of having to retract statements now that more information is available. He could have released all the documents a year ago if he really wanted this over with. My guess is there is some bad information in there that would cost Holder his job. Obama stepping in to bail him out only adds fuel to where there is smoke.
  • marcuss... Getting... 2012/06/27 02:26:09
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    YOU NAILED IT!
  • littleb... ProudPr... 2012/06/27 02:16:31
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +1
    It's only because of Election Time that the President Profiled a specific group and has used Executive Power to Buy their votes! There was no other need to do this now!
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/24 16:07:32
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    Here we have the Democrats Quacking like the Lame Ducks they are. Oh, What we forgot is that the Papers that woud prove a lot this Clown is spouting are all hidden nice and deep in the fireplace at the White House and that Fireplace is located in the Presidential Chambers.
  • marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS 2012/06/24 16:03:17
    marcuss LIBERALS ARE IDIOTS
    +2
    Mexico Unveils ‘No More Weapons!’ Sign Made Of Firearms Along US Border
    February 17, 2012 7:53 AM

    http://houston.cbslocal.com/2...

    Tell MEXICO that it is a conspiracy.
  • Space Invader 2012/06/24 16:03:03
    Space Invader
    +1
    Wow; is she out of her mind ; or she is blinder than a bat........
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/24 15:00:39 (edited)
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Sheesh.... When it comes to "Fast and Furious" AKA "Wide Receiver".... Ya need a program to know the players! But it DOES seem republicans believe every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike....!
  • snipe Lady Wh... 2012/06/24 20:58:01
    snipe
    +2
    "Fast and Furious" is not AKA "Wide Receiver," they are two different things. I've seen where you've posted this same comment on several different polls; time you learn the difference.
    http://transsylvaniaphoenix.b...
  • wildcat 2012/06/24 14:51:04
    wildcat
    goofballs exist, they have been exploiting the uninformed for years.

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