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The way to get your senator to grow a conscience: threaten not to reelect her.

twocrows 2012/02/23 04:34:30

USA Today: Va. senator to kill amended bill on pre-abortion ultrasounds - - by Michael Winter

Original post: Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell said
today he opposes legislation to mandate that women undergo an invasive
ultrasound procedure before having an abortion.

"Mandating an
invasive procedure in order to give informed consent is not a proper
role for the state," he said in a statement. "No person should be
directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their
consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure."

In
rejecting the so-called transvaginal ultrasound, which involves
inserting an ultrasound probe into a woman, he is proposing language
that would require only an external ultrasound before an abortion, The Richmond Times-Dispatch says.

Update at 3:30 p.m. ET: McDonnell, a Republican, had previously supported the controversial transvaginal ultrasound and until this past weekend said he would sign the measure, SB 484, The Washington Post reports.

House Republican leaders are expected to amend the bill this afternoon, the Post says.

McDonnell begins his lengthy statement by declaring, "I am pro-life." Here's the bulk of it:

Over
the past days I have discussed the specific language of the proposed
legislation with other governors, physicians, attorneys, legislators,
advocacy groups, and citizens. It is apparent that several amendments to
the proposed legislation are needed to address various medical and
legal issues which have arisen. It is clear that in the majority of
cases, a routine external, transabdominal ultrasound is sufficient to
meet the bill's stated purpose, that is, to determine gestational age. I
have come to understand that the medical practice and standard of care
currently guide physicians to use other procedures to find the
gestational age of the child, when abdominal ultrasounds cannot do so.
Determining gestational age is essential for legal reasons, to know the
trimester of the pregnancy in order to comply with the law, and for
medical reasons as well.

Thus, having looked at the current
proposal, I believe there is no need to direct by statute that further
invasive ultrasound procedures be done. Mandating an invasive procedure
in order to give informed consent is not a proper role for the state. No
person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the
state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical
procedure.

For this reason, I have recommended to the General
Assembly a series of amendments to this bill. I am requesting that the
General Assembly amend this bill to explicitly state that no woman in
Virginia will have to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound involuntarily. I
am asking the General Assembly to state in this legislation that only a
transabdominal, or external, ultrasound will be required to satisfy the
requirements to determine gestational age. Should a doctor determine
that another form of ultrasound may be necessary to provide the
necessary images and information that will be an issue for the doctor
and the patient. The government will have no role in that medical
decision.

I have requested other amendments that help clarify the purposes of the
bill and reflect a better understanding of prevailing medical practices.
It is my hope that the members of the General Assembly will act
favorably upon these recommendations from our office. We will await
their action prior to making any further comments on this matter."

[Translation into non-political-ese: I want to run for vice president and no one will pick me with this albatross around my neck.]

Update at 4:02 p.m. ET: Opponents of transvaginal ultrasound argued that mandating the invasive procedure (image), without a woman's consent, was a form of rape or sexual abuse. Slate's Dahlia Lithwick wrote
that "under any other set of facts, that would constitute rape under
the federal definition." Virginia law considers "object sexual
penetration" a separate felony.

Update at 4:19 p.m. ET: The Virginia House of
Delegates has approved a substitute bill that would not require women
to undergo the invasive transvaginal ultrasound before getting an
abortion, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reports.

The
legislation still mandates an ultrasound, the most common being the
external, transabdominal type, but women could choose to have the
transvaginal procedure to determine the gestational age of the fetus.
The vote in the Republican-controlled House was 65-32.

After Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell said he opposed requiring women to
undergo an invasive ultrasound before having an abortion, the state
House today passed a revised measure that still mandates an ultrasound
but makes the transvaginal procedure optional. Later, the bill's Senate
sponsor said she plans to strike the amended bill.

Update at 5:45 p.m. ET: The Republican senator who
sponsored the original legislation now says she plans to kill the
amended bill when it returns to the Senate for final approval, according
to news reports.

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel said this afternoon
that after hearing from constituents, including doctors, she did not
"feel in good conscience that I want to carry the bill in its current
form," the Richmond Times-Dispatch reports.

"There
are moments when you are a legislator when you have to stop and you
have to have a moment of real conscience,"
Vogel said. [Gee ya think?]

"I sort of had
that moment this morning considering the outcome and the fate of this
bill."

[Translation: "I want to be reelected and I can see that this bill is a deal breaker. So I grew a conscience real fast."

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  • ally 2012/02/23 19:54:39
    ally
    +4
    They had no change of conscience regarding what this would do to women. It's more like they saw the uproar of women from all over the country about this issue. They saw what Santorum is going through, how even Republican women are going against the Party.

    What a joke.

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  • Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~ 2012/02/24 00:00:00
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +3
    The idiots - did they think it wouldn't garner huge amounts of public outrage? That women wouldn't be furious? Hah!
  • ally 2012/02/23 19:54:39
    ally
    +4
    They had no change of conscience regarding what this would do to women. It's more like they saw the uproar of women from all over the country about this issue. They saw what Santorum is going through, how even Republican women are going against the Party.

    What a joke.
  • Ali ~ I... ally 2012/02/24 00:02:13
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +3
    Yes, it's an election year and they're being just a tad more responsive to public outcry.
  • ally Ali ~ I... 2012/02/24 00:17:57
    ally
    +3
    Funny how fast the thought of losing votes will change thier minds! Santorum isn't smart enough.....
  • Ali ~ I... ally 2012/02/24 00:32:19
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +2
    Yes, he's just the flavor of the week in this interminable nomination process. I feel sorry for the moderates in the GOP (what few are left, that is).
  • ally Ali ~ I... 2012/02/24 14:25:54
    ally
    +1
    Are there still GOP moderates left? With the gang that they have to chose from, the number may be slim to none.
  • Ali ~ I... ally 2012/02/25 00:04:02
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +1
    Two or three. I'd guess that most of them fled to 'decline to state.' Once Huntsman was out of the race, the rest of the candidates played at 'more Tea Party than thou.' Pretty disgusting.
  • ally Ali ~ I... 2012/02/25 16:25:17
    ally
    Huntsman was actually the only one with brains, and had international experience. But because he spoke another language beside English- Holy Jebus- he was labeled "one of them smart people". His republican career went Kaput!
  • Ali ~ I... ally 2012/02/26 00:20:04
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    Plus, he was smart enough that Obama sent him to China as ambassador. I didn't care for his tax policy (VERY regressive) but otherwise, he seemed a decent sort.

    What cracks me up is that Newt is considered an intellectual luminary by the Repubs. Hahahahaha....
  • ally Ali ~ I... 2012/02/26 15:04:55
    ally
    +1
    I felt the same way. But it only goes to prove that intellect means nothing to the cons.

    LOL! What a history buff! But even 5th graders have seen through this guy! Where's that cute little New Jersey HS girl who challenged Michele Bachman?! My money's on her!
  • Ali ~ I... ally 2012/02/27 03:32:36
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +1
    LOL! Mine too!
  • Giantfan 2012/02/23 19:47:56
    Giantfan
    +4
    Be careful what you wish for you just may get it. It seems many people are having buyers remorse. From Walker in Wisconson to Scott in Florida to Danials in Indiana to this piece of work in Virginia.
  • twocrows Giantfan 2012/02/24 01:19:23
    twocrows
    +2
    exactly. I don't know Danials [though I do know how Red Indiana has historically been and that it has been moving slightly toward purple (mauve, maybe?) lately].

    but here in Florida, the guvnor has 2 names: 22% Rick and pink-slip-Rick. they both fit and he's unlikely to survive in November. when people gripe about him I just say, "Don't blame me, I voted for Alex."
  • Giantfan twocrows 2012/02/24 03:57:31
    Giantfan
    I can't believe older people are still so gullible as to vote for a crook. Don't they check someone out before voting? I'm old but I'm not stupid. Yet....
  • twocrows Giantfan 2012/02/24 06:14:01
    twocrows
    +1
    they say that, the further south you go in Florida the further north you go. I guess here in the Tampa bay area, we're in the equivalent of Virginia. I live in a teapot, myself, and am most decidedly uncomfortable.

    it seems that, in my neighborhood, people check to see what initial is behind the candidate's name and vote accordingly. it's very sad.
  • Giantfan twocrows 2012/02/24 12:13:10 (edited)
    Giantfan
    My sister and brother-in-law live in Bradenton. Now they are only around 51 years old but again that R in front of a name is important to them yet they are lazy (I hate that) live of my sisters in laws money and vote republican. They probable get food stamps and all other government programs to help the poor. They vote against their own interests all the time. They live on an obsolete ideology.
  • twocrows 2012/02/23 12:36:14
    twocrows
    +3
    gotta love Holtzman-Vogel's phrasing here:
    "There are MOMENTS when you have to stop and you have to have a moment of REAL CONSCIENCE."

    "moments?" seriously?
    here's my translation: "What? You mean I'm supposed to practice morality when in a a position of governance? I can't just have my own way? You mean, 'Do unto others as you would be done by,' is supposed to apply HERE? Who would have thought?"

    How shocked she and McDonnell must be. And how much more shocked they will be when election time rolls around [along with everyone else who voted for this atrocity of a bill.]
  • keymanjim 2012/02/23 04:52:27
    keymanjim
    Actually, deception was the key here.
    There was no mandate for a transvaginal ultrasound in either of the bills.
  • twocrows keymanjim 2012/02/23 12:24:51
    twocrows
    +2
    yes, I think deception is the key.
    since you would think one of the principals here might have mentioned that fact IF it were the case. since they didn't, I have to assume that the deception ATTEMPTING to be practiced here is yours.

    nice try, though.
  • keymanjim twocrows 2012/02/23 13:16:07
    keymanjim
    Nothing but the truth here, skippy.
  • twocrows keymanjim 2012/02/23 12:34:12
    twocrows
    +2
    you know, I think you're right. deception obviously IS the key.

    since, if transvaginal ultrasound WEREN'T included, I imagine one or both of them might have mentioned that fact in their respective statements AND NEITHER ONE DID, I must conclude that the deception attempting to be carried out here must be yours.

    nice try, though.
  • keymanjim twocrows 2012/02/23 13:16:17
    keymanjim
    And here too.
  • twocrows keymanjim 2012/02/23 13:59:24
    twocrows
    +1
    McDonnel's statement, verbatim when he backed down:
    Thus, having looked at the current proposal, I believe there is no need to direct by statute that further invasive ultrasound procedures be done. Mandating an invasive procedure in order to give informed consent is not a proper role for the state. No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure.

    For this reason, I have recommended to the General Assembly a series of amendments to this bill. I am requesting that the General Assembly amend this bill to explicitly state that no woman in Virginia will have to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound involuntarily. I am asking the General Assembly to state in this legislation that only a transabdominal, or external, ultrasound will be required to satisfy the requirements to determine gestational age. Should a doctor determine that another form of ultrasound may be necessary to provide the necessary images and information that will be an issue for the doctor and the patient. The government will have no role in that medical decision.
  • Giantfan keymanjim 2012/02/23 19:54:07
    Giantfan
    +1
    Conservative nut cases in Wisconson, Florida, Indiana, Arizona and Virginia. They are helping the democrats out come next November unless your friends in the oil industry pull it off. Raising oil prices even though there is a surplus of oil on the world market. They'll do anything to get a pro oil less tax congress and president and keep that $4 billion a year taxpayer subsidity they're getting now.

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