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Brian S November 22, 2010 20:13:25
No, the security measures are for our safety and acceptable.
Yes, the security measure are intrusive and violate our rights.
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I'm confused. In my younger years, it was taught that the United States is the greatest Country in the world and the Soviet Union was the bad guy. The reason was that US Citizens had the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, along with the bill of rights. For those that cannot remember what they are, or need a refresher, here is a link to them:

http://archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcri...

I sent an email to my Senators and Representative last year, this is what it said:
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It appears that nobody within the Washington political circles can see
what is happening to this country, as they are too close to the
situation.

Here is the comparison for the old USSR and USA.


The
USSR
-operated a State owned Auto Industry
-operated a State
owned Banking Industry
-operated a State owned Aircraft Industry
-had
armed military at their airports and train stations
-made every one
of its citizens keep their 'travel papers' while going from place to
place
-created the Berlin Wall, which made it next to impossible to
enter without going through official checkpoints.
-had total control
over the media (as other countries still maintain that control)
-collapsed
not too long after their failed invasion of Afghanistan (which the US
supported)



The USA
-just bailed out the Auto Industry
(except for Ford) and has a large amount of stock/control over GM.
Interesting because the Amtrak has been losing money continuously year
after year. How can Congress think that they can help manage an Auto
manufacturer?
-bailed out numerous banks with almost $1 Trillion
dollars of money created out of thin air. Now, the banks are essentially
'owned' in part by the Federal Govt until the loans are paid off.
-unless
I'm mistaken the Aircraft Industry has not yet gotten a bailout, but
there have been talks about them wanting one
-we have armed military
at some of our airports after 9-11
-the REAL ID is set to go into
effect on Dec 31, 2009.
http://www.ncsl.org/realid/
(from the REAL ID web
site) "Following the deadline of May 11, 2008, state driver's licenses
and identification cards were not to be accepted for federal purposes
unless the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) determined that a
state was compliant with the REAL ID or a state had been approved for an
extension by the Secretary of DHS. All 56 U.S. jurisdictions have
received an initial extension from the Secretary of the DHS. The
initial extension is valid until December 31, 2009"
-the US is
working to create the border between itself and Mexico with either a
physical 'virtual' wall to try and slow down immigration. I actually
support this one, since our Congress cannot seem to get its act together
and apparently wants to give the illegal immigrants extra rights,
access to Social Security and welfare programs.
-is currently
rebuilding Iraq (with tax dollars), fighting 'terrorism' in Afghanistan
and crossing the border into Pakistan in a seemingly unending war.
-tried
to pass a version of the 'Fairness Doctrine' which would require radio
and television stations to give equal time to opposing views. As it
currently stands, Conservative radio is unopposed by liberal radio
stations. The Fairness Doctrine would reduce the amount of time allotted
to Conservative talk shows, if not completely shut them down.
-is
currently engaged in a war on drugs, yet is doing nothing about the
poppy crops in Afghanistan, which is a major source of raw material in
the drug war.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it appears to me that the US
is on a road that is leading the wrong direction. What we need is to
reduce the overall Federal Government. Once that starts, there will be a
reduction in spending tax dollars on a useless bureaucracy.
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Now, it is just over a year later and we find the 'virtual strip search' machines in many regional airports. If the individual opts out of the strip search machine, they are subject to a full body 'enhanced' pat down. If THAT is refused, they are turned back and face a possible fine.

Here is my confusion. The 4th amendment protects us against 'unreasonable' search and seizure', unless there is 'probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

Are we to believe that most of the travelers in planes across the United States have given probable cause, other than wanting to go from point A to point B and back in a timely manner? Or that the 'intelligence' services are too inept at their jobs that they have to institute the scans and body searches because they couldn't stop the 'underwear bomber, even when his father called and told them about him? The investigative services can use good old fashioned police work, following leads and profiling possible attackers to keep us safe. Not to belittle the situation, but the intelligence services could learn a bundle from the operators of Disneyland. The security there is behind the scenes and unobtrusive.

The reality is that the search procedures is designed to 'encourage' us to give up our freedoms gradually so that we can remain safe. How much farther will this go before every aspect of our lives will be monitored?

Amendment IV


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall
not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Since some people need a question spelled out for them and cannot deduce a question from the above post or the answers, here you go.

Are you OK with the security measures that are in place?

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  • Communist April 29, 2012 16:07:04 (edited)
    No, the security measures are for our safety and acceptable.
    Communist
    I live in Russia. It hurts to read your delusion about the USSR and socialism. I hate the phrases like "Stalin killed millions of innocent". Firstly, your magnitude of Stalin's repression is likely to be a big exaggeration and a lie. Secondly, almost in all cases Stalin repressed criminals and traitors that deserved it. At meetings I watch hugging the portraits of Stalin old ones who remember that time! Can't you understand you are brainwashed so that you don't oppose capitalist politics?! The Soviet Union was an Empire of Good, which carried the hope for saving of humanity; There existed other principles of life under the soviet socialism. We lived in society free from false values and hating each other, from greed and vulgarity. Isn't it simple happiness to live so? Most importantly, there was process of creation and labor, not consumption in the center: Such a system would ensure peaceful coexistence to all counries and the conservation of natural resources for many years. But west association of the influential wealthy changed other way. The Union didn't collapse by itself, it was destroyed by certain people with support from the West. This occurred because Gorbachev and his team destroyed welfare of the country. I'm sorry, but for the time being, the USA remains a coun...
    I live in Russia. It hurts to read your delusion about the USSR and socialism. I hate the phrases like "Stalin killed millions of innocent". Firstly, your magnitude of Stalin's repression is likely to be a big exaggeration and a lie. Secondly, almost in all cases Stalin repressed criminals and traitors that deserved it. At meetings I watch hugging the portraits of Stalin old ones who remember that time! Can't you understand you are brainwashed so that you don't oppose capitalist politics?! The Soviet Union was an Empire of Good, which carried the hope for saving of humanity; There existed other principles of life under the soviet socialism. We lived in society free from false values and hating each other, from greed and vulgarity. Isn't it simple happiness to live so? Most importantly, there was process of creation and labor, not consumption in the center: Such a system would ensure peaceful coexistence to all counries and the conservation of natural resources for many years. But west association of the influential wealthy changed other way. The Union didn't collapse by itself, it was destroyed by certain people with support from the West. This occurred because Gorbachev and his team destroyed welfare of the country. I'm sorry, but for the time being, the USA remains a county-devourer, Evil empire because its government contributed to the destruction of many countries including the USSR, Yugoslavia, Libya. Please, don't listen to american anticommunist myth! Capitalism is a stupid system of devouring each other, which сan destroy the humanity. Money can't buy happiness! And it's pointless to live for increasing private welfare! Or do you like to turn into a pig? Please, discard your myths and join communists! Russia will be socialist, USA, EU too. In confirmation, look which party has actually won russian elections 2011: izbircom2011.ru. Now, do you believe?! (If I made any grammatical mistakes, tell me, please.)
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  • cmblake6 December 07, 2010 17:16:58
    Yes, the security measure are intrusive and violate our rights.
    cmblake6
    +1
    This form of 4th Amendment violation is beyond a joke. Let's start with better pre-identification of potential hijacker terrorists. Let's talk Israeli style. Also, let's talk about the concept of armed employees on the planes to stop anyone who gets past the initial screening. Let's not violate the rights of citizens, but let's ensure the protection of those same citizens from foreigners and criminals.
  • Brian S cmblake6 December 07, 2010 20:25:35
    Brian S
    Thank you. There are many that think the security checks are for the passengers safety. I'm of the mindset that if we allow the checks to happen now, what else will we give up in the name of protecting the public. We are slowly having our rights infringed upon in the name of safety.

    Never forget the instructions on boiling a frog.
    1) Place frog in a pan of room temperature water.
    2) Increase temperature very slowly, otherwise the frog will jump out of the water, soon the frog will be asleep in very comfortable water.
    3) Remove cooked frog from boiling water. While the frog was sleeping, it was cooked.
  • technotrucker November 22, 2010 20:54:22
    Yes, the security measure are intrusive and violate our rights.
    technotrucker
    +2
    Seek the truth, or remain a victim.
    peace
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ November 22, 2010 20:32:55
    None of the above
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    Well, you didn't ask a question so I gave you no answer. What this author says is asinine. You should be more concerned that we are the United States of Corporations.
    You, personally, don't have one fewer rights/freedoms than you did prior to January 20, 2009. This is just more fear mongering from the right. That's all republicans have--fear and anger--and they have to push both in order to stay in the public eye.
  • Brian S ὤTṻnde΄ӂ November 22, 2010 20:36:28
    Brian S
    +1
    Unfortunately the question/answer portion is before the actual text, which you must read to give an opinion. Apparently, you're too concerned with the left/right Dem/Rep argument and feel there is a difference between the parties, which there is not.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ Brian S November 22, 2010 20:39:37
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    I did read it--there is no question to answer. Reread your post. I honestly don't care what you think about the political parties, the republicans caused the $hit we're having to deal with now, not Democrats.
  • Brian S ὤTṻnde΄ӂ November 22, 2010 20:41:29
    Brian S
    +1
    Both parties voted for the Patriot Act, Both parties voted for the bailout, both parties voted for the Stimulus. The only major piece of legislation that was cause by the Democrats was the health care debacle.
  • phoenix November 22, 2010 20:26:56
    Yes, the security measure are intrusive and violate our rights.
    phoenix
    +1
    Our society is getting more & more repressive, thanks to the Patriot Act and the proponents of PC behavior. Totally outrageous. The bureaucrats are strangling us with rules and regulations and they answer to NO ONE and, they have to be busy, busy, busy justifying their jobs and their existence. We have and are turning our ire on our legislators.... watch out bureaucrats.. you are next !!
  • Brian S phoenix November 22, 2010 20:34:02
    Brian S
    +1
    Want to guess and see which right we lose next?
  • phoenix Brian S November 22, 2010 22:55:31
    phoenix
    +1
    This one... the internet. Taking bets? This is how we communicate and educate ourselves. This is one of the tools we use to find the truth. The radical progressives hate it. They won't rest until they deprive us of this.
  • Brian S phoenix November 23, 2010 04:10:01
    Brian S
    +1
    I've kind of been expecting the USPS to start trying to stick their fingers into the pie and try to charge for emails etc. Now that I think of it, wasn't that even talked about?

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