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The UN is working on a Gun Ban Treaty in DC and Obama has said he will sign it as soon as The Senate approves it. Call your Senator and tell them they will be committing Treason if they sign it.

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  • 4570GOVT 2012/08/28 17:18:24
    I will contact them right now!
    4570GOVT
    UN Gun Ban is back


    Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the international anti-gun gang are almost giddy.

    The UN Programme Against Small Arms begins meeting in New York City tomorrow, August 27th. Unlike the “Small Arms Treaty,” the Programme doesn’t require a vote in Congress.

    It’s the same radical anti-gun policy, only this can be directly implemented on U.S. citizens. Some of it is already being enforced.

    Hillary’s State Department recently bragged that the corrupt “Fast & Furious” and “Gunwalker” operations were implementations of the Programme. They almost sounded proud of the murder and mayhem caused by Eric Holder’s Justice Department.

    In the same report, Hillary also revealed that Obama’s ongoing efforts to destroy over one million historic M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1911 Colt .45’s is driven by the UN Programme’s global gun grab scheme.




    “I just want you to know that we are working on it [gun control],” President Obama promised Sarah Brady in a recent meeting. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

    As part of the UN Programme implementation during “Fast & Furious,” Obama worked to shut down gun and ammo sales anywhere near the border. He did it via executive fiat, without any action from Congress whatsoever.

    This is EXACTLY the ki...
























    UN Gun Ban is back


    Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the international anti-gun gang are almost giddy.

    The UN Programme Against Small Arms begins meeting in New York City tomorrow, August 27th. Unlike the “Small Arms Treaty,” the Programme doesn’t require a vote in Congress.

    It’s the same radical anti-gun policy, only this can be directly implemented on U.S. citizens. Some of it is already being enforced.

    Hillary’s State Department recently bragged that the corrupt “Fast & Furious” and “Gunwalker” operations were implementations of the Programme. They almost sounded proud of the murder and mayhem caused by Eric Holder’s Justice Department.

    In the same report, Hillary also revealed that Obama’s ongoing efforts to destroy over one million historic M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1911 Colt .45’s is driven by the UN Programme’s global gun grab scheme.




    “I just want you to know that we are working on it [gun control],” President Obama promised Sarah Brady in a recent meeting. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

    As part of the UN Programme implementation during “Fast & Furious,” Obama worked to shut down gun and ammo sales anywhere near the border. He did it via executive fiat, without any action from Congress whatsoever.

    This is EXACTLY the kind of “process” they are going through “under the radar,” only now they want to take it nationwide. Firearms registration is just one of the many anti-gun schemes that is on the table next week at the Programme in New York. And in the wake of the Colorado and Wisconsin tragedies, the left-leaning media is screaming for more.

    Last month, NAGR’s 1.4 million members and supporters played a key role in stalling the UN “Small Arms Treaty.”

    Despite Hillary’s vocal support for global gun control, she and her State Department bureaucrats were forced to back off the treaty negotiations in New York. Much to their chagrin, the conference ended without a completed treaty.

    Thanks to your hard work, gun owners dodged a bullet.

    But Hillary and the petty tyrants at the UN already had the next shot at the UN Gun Ban in the chamber and ready to fire.




    The “Small Arms Treaty” is just one of the many tools they have in their gun-grabbing tool box. Next up is the UN Programme Against Small Arms, and it’s is a HUGE opportunity to push the UN Gun Ban.

    The Programme will meet from August 27th through September 7th at UN Headquarters in New York City to push the very same anti-gun agenda:
    *** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;

    *** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL "unauthorized" civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);

    *** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;

    *** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.
    And the real danger is that after our temporary victory over the treaty in July, many gun owners will “go home” and stop standing up to Hillary, Obama and the UN tyrants.

    Obama knows he must rally his anti-gun allies for November, and as already stated, he is pushing their defunct schemes “under the radar” to get the job done.
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  • 4570GOVT 4570GOVT 2012/08/28 19:32:02
    4570GOVT
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OBAMA TIMELINE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    2012 June 20, 2012 Uses position to withhold documents tied to gun smuggling probe
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
    tempt-vote/story?id=16610613#...
    May 10, 2012 Threatens to veto DOJ bill because it blocks gun control law
    http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
    fast-and-furious-gun/
    April 22, 2012 Embraces executive orders to bypass Congress
    http://www.infowars.com/we-ca...
    February 21, 2012 At the U.N.: Pro-gun groups are stifled
    http://www.heritage.org/resea...
    treaty
    February 17, 2012 Sneaks anti-gun measures into 2013 budget proposal
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/0...
    ment-freedoms/
    February 13, 2012 Cuts funds in half for armed pilot counter-terrorism program
    http://articles.cnn.com/2012-...
    deck-officer-budget-cuts?_s=P...
    obtiamemlinae
    obtiamemlinae
    2011 December 23, 2011 Says he won’t be bound by gun-control ban in omnibus
    http://thehill.com/blogs/heal...
    ban-in-spending-bill
    July 11, 2011 Authorizes administration’s first major gun regulation
    http://www.rightsidenews.com/...
    for-gun-control-treaty-contin...
    July 11, 2011 At the U.N.: Final Arms Trade Treaty talks under way
    http://thenewamerican.com/usn...
    July 7, 2011 Obama aide says gun legislation in “near future”
    http://content.usatoday.com/c...
    near-future/1?csp=34news
    March 30, 2011 Says we’re...






































































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    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OBAMA TIMELINE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    2012 June 20, 2012 Uses position to withhold documents tied to gun smuggling probe
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politic...
    tempt-vote/story?id=16610613#...
    May 10, 2012 Threatens to veto DOJ bill because it blocks gun control law
    http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
    fast-and-furious-gun/
    April 22, 2012 Embraces executive orders to bypass Congress
    http://www.infowars.com/we-ca...
    February 21, 2012 At the U.N.: Pro-gun groups are stifled
    http://www.heritage.org/resea...
    treaty
    February 17, 2012 Sneaks anti-gun measures into 2013 budget proposal
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/0...
    ment-freedoms/
    February 13, 2012 Cuts funds in half for armed pilot counter-terrorism program
    http://articles.cnn.com/2012-...
    deck-officer-budget-cuts?_s=P...
    obtiamemlinae
    obtiamemlinae
    2011 December 23, 2011 Says he won’t be bound by gun-control ban in omnibus
    http://thehill.com/blogs/heal...
    ban-in-spending-bill
    July 11, 2011 Authorizes administration’s first major gun regulation
    http://www.rightsidenews.com/...
    for-gun-control-treaty-contin...
    July 11, 2011 At the U.N.: Final Arms Trade Treaty talks under way
    http://thenewamerican.com/usn...
    July 7, 2011 Obama aide says gun legislation in “near future”
    http://content.usatoday.com/c...
    near-future/1?csp=34news
    March 30, 2011 Says we’re working on gun control “under the radar”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...
    steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9E...
    March 15, 2011 Looks for ways around Congress on gun policy
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
    March 13, 2011 Calls for gun reforms following Tucson tragedy
    http://azstarnet.com/article_...
    February 28, 2011 At the U.N.: Debate over scope of global gun restrictions
    http://www.armscontrol.org/ac...
    February 8, 2011 At the U.N.: Agreement signed with anti-gun group IANSA
    http://en.iansa.org/node/1498
    obtiamemlinae
    2010 November 15, 2010 Nominates anti-gun Andrew Traver to head ATF
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/...
    an-antigun-zealot
    March 1, 2010 Busts plan to sell rifles to Americans
    http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
    antique-m-rifles/
    September 15, 2010 Appoints anti-gun Greg Nickels to U.N. post
    http://www.uscca.us/ccr/view_...
    July 12, 2010 At the U.N.: Arms Treaty to include all conventional weapons
    http://www.heritage.org/resea...
    arms-trade-treaty-five-danger...
    May 10, 2010 Nominates anti-gun Elena Kagan for Supreme Court Justice
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...
    2009 October 14, 2009 Reverses stance on treaty to regulate arm trade
    http://www.reuters.com/articl...
    May 26, 2009 Nominates anti-gun Sonia Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire...
    April 22, 2009 Nominates anti-gun Cass Sunstein for top regulatory post
    http://www.opposingviews.com/...
    April 16, 2009 Says “90% of guns recovered in Mexico come from U.S.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politi...
    April 16, 2009 Assures he hasn’t “backed off at all” on pledge to restore gun ban
    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-...
    immigrants?_s=PM:POLITICS
    obtiamemlinae
    2008 December 1, 2008 Nominates anti-gun Eric Holder for attorney general
    http://www.examiner.com/conse...
    December 1, 2008 Names anti-gun Hillary Clinton as secretary of state
    http://www.issues2000.org/sen...
    November 13, 2008 Weeds out gun owners from his White House staff
    http://cnsnews.com/news/artic...
    April 2, 2008 Says “I am not in favor of concealed weapons”
    http://www.pittsburghlive.com...
    February 16, 2008 Says right to bear arms “subject to common-sense regulation”
    http://www.jsonline.com/news/...
    February 15, 2008 Says microstamping is a “common-sense law”
    http://www.buckeyestateblog.c...
    January 15, 2008 Supports repealing the Tiarht Amendment
    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2...
    2007 April 22, 2007 Favors a ban on standard-capacity magazines
    http://nraila.org/gun-laws/di...
    2006 October 17, 2006 Says “I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities.”
    http://usliberals.about.com/o...
    January 31, 2006 Votes against Samuel Alito for Supreme Court Justice
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...
    2005 September 22, 2005 Votes against John Roberts for Supreme Court Justice
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...
    obtiamemlinae
    July 29, 2005 Votes against prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers
    http://www.issues2000.org/201...
    July 29, 2005 Votes to ban common rifle ammunition
    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2...
    2004 October 21, 2004 Says it’s “a scandal” Bush didn’t renew assault weapons ban
    http://www.issues2000.org/200...
    April 27, 2004 Says he continues to oppose concealed carry
    http://articles.chicagotribun...
    obama/2
    March 25, 2004 Votes against lowering FOID card age from 21 to 18
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislati...
    61&SessionID=3&GA=93
    March 25, 2004 Votes to uphold local gun bans
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislati...
    61&SessionID=3&GA=93
    March 25, 2004 Votes to uphold prosecution of people using guns in self-defense
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislati...
    61&SessionID=3&GA=93
    2003 March 13, 2003 Votes to ban hundreds of common rifles & shotguns
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislati...
    4&SessionID=3&GA=93
    obtiamemlinae
    2001 July 5, 2001 Says he continues to favor handgun registration & licensing
    http://www.guncite.com/gun_co...
    February 20, 2001 Says “No reason why anybody should need an assault weapon”
    http://www.guncite.com/gun_co...
    2000 Co-sponsors bill to limit firearm purchases to one gun a month
    http://civilliberty.about.com...
    1999 December 13, 1999 Proposes banning gun stores within 5 mi. of schools & parks
    http://michellemalkin.com/200...
    and-parks/
    December 13, 1999 Supports 500% tax increase on guns & ammo
    http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-f...
    December 13, 1999 Supports ban on resale of police-issued firearms
    http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-f...
    1998 Sits on Board of Directors for anti-gun Joyce Foundation
    http://www.politico.com/news/...
    July 2, 1998 Endorses a ban on sale or transfer of all semi-auto guns
    http://www.issues2000.org/Bar...
    1996 September 9, 1996 Supports ban on manufacture, sale & possession of handguns
    http://www.thepoliticalguide....
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  • Cordingly 2012/07/14 17:12:31
    I don't like it, but I'm not going to waste my time either.
    Cordingly
    +1
    God, the fear mongering is fantastic today.
  • socokid Cordingly 2012/07/15 16:15:33
    socokid
    +2
    And not one ounce of motivation to research claims for themselves. "I read it somewhere" is grounds for taking up arms, apparently. It is scary as hell to realize so many are manipulated with so little. A spam email from 3 years ago....

    *sigh*
  • socokid 2012/07/14 12:05:20
    I don't like it, but I'm not going to waste my time either.
    socokid
    +2
    Poor answers to choose from as this is nonsense. I honestly can't believe this right-wing spam email from 2009 is still making the rounds. *sigh*

    http://www.politifact.com/tex...

    http://www.snopes.com/politic...

    http://factcheck.org/2012/06/...
  • Teri- O... socokid 2012/07/14 13:21:39
    Teri- Oregon
    +1
    you don't pay attention do you?
  • socokid Teri- O... 2012/07/14 13:59:20
    socokid
    +2
    I actually researched this claim (links above).

    Not spending 2 minutes researching wild claims like this is your fault. Not mine. It seems I am the only one that is paying attention here, let alone applying some modicum of critical thought.
  • Scott ヶ... socokid 2012/07/15 17:14:48
    Scott ヶBrony Of PHAETヶ
    +1
    Research FTW
  • socokid Scott ヶ... 2012/07/18 13:58:16
    socokid
    +1
    Funny how that works, and horrifying to realize so many do not spend 2 minutes googling before posting nonsense.
  • I don't like Obama in office 2012/07/13 19:05:13 (edited)
    I will contact them right now!
    I don't like Obama in office
    +2
    I back the NRA.....NRA News at the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty Conference - Interview with Wayne LaPierre .. http://youtu.be/IqpRWuF68Xg
  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 19:08:18
    I don't like Obama in office
    +2
    http://www.knowthelies.com/?q...

    The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.



    ** SPREAD THIS TO EVERYONE **

    The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.

    The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

    The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.

    The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasi...

























    http://www.knowthelies.com/?q...

    The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.



    ** SPREAD THIS TO EVERYONE **

    The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.

    The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

    The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.

    The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion).

    These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.

    Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, "the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States."

    The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.

    During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada.

    The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.

    The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states.

    Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.

    Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states:

    "The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States." In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, "that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it."

    "This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose.

    Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power."

    The Honorable William Gordon

    Congressional Record, House, Page 640 - 1917
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  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 19:27:56 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    +2
    For other Good Reading.
    As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)

    http://markmccoy.com/self-def...
    Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

    http://www.constitution.org/u...


    “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
    “An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within juri...






    For other Good Reading.
    As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)

    http://markmccoy.com/self-def...
    Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

    http://www.constitution.org/u...


    “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
    “An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
    “When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
    “These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
    “An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
    “Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
    “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
    “Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
    As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)
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  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 19:35:39 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    +2
    I have done a few protest and what I understand unless your on private land if in fact the owner does not want you on cite that person can has & most give you a chance to leave if you do not then force can so be used laws of trespass And Caslte doctrine 3rd and 4th Amendment, Now if aperson was public land like a sidewalk not seeking to cause harm to persons as like throwing things like rocks and causing harm to Structure as such he was not then so for the forced use of the paid common defense on a peacefull protest a place one has right to be ie One of the Militia reserve as such is with out just cause these Arrest would be seeking to deprive a basic constitutional right a Act of war as such he could have fought back and it would be self defense ...the point the Gun restrain laws are DEBATABLE. on point of entry rights to places as like stated above... study the 3rd Amendment and the Consent of entry and trespass laws
  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 19:42:40 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    +2
    Don't let your elected & or appointed ban your rights here is how to put a very short chain on Obama anti 2nd fan Club


    If you have the fortitude you FIGHT THE ELECTED POWERS OF THE LEAGUE OF COMMON DEFENSE YOUR SELF STUDY WHAT IS KNOWN AS? Propia Persona {Pro Se} , It is unconstitutional or direct constitutional contempt for the Elected to so disarm you Seek to understand the difference between the views of the paid common defense and Militia Reserve. Study the history of Writ of Mandamus & The Dick AcT 1902-1903 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654




    study this to file such Civil Tort notices to file suits Pro Se Notice: The respondent in this action is a non-lawyer and is moving forward in propia persona. Hanes v. Kerner (92 S Ct 594) pro se pleadings are to be considered without regard to? technicality; prose litigants" pleadings are not to be held to the same high standards of perfection as lawyers
    Case law for Pro Se , Jenkins v. McKeithen (456 US 411 421 (1969); Picking v. Penna Ry. Co (151 Fed 2nd 240); Pucket v. Cox (456 Fed 2nd 233); Haines v. Kerner, et.al. (429 F. 2d 71 (1972)); Conley v. Gibson? (355 US 41, 45-6 (1957)); Dioguardi v. During (139 F. 2d 774 (1948)).

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    Don't let your elected & or appointed ban your rights here is how to put a very short chain on Obama anti 2nd fan Club


    If you have the fortitude you FIGHT THE ELECTED POWERS OF THE LEAGUE OF COMMON DEFENSE YOUR SELF STUDY WHAT IS KNOWN AS? Propia Persona {Pro Se} , It is unconstitutional or direct constitutional contempt for the Elected to so disarm you Seek to understand the difference between the views of the paid common defense and Militia Reserve. Study the history of Writ of Mandamus & The Dick AcT 1902-1903 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654




    study this to file such Civil Tort notices to file suits Pro Se Notice: The respondent in this action is a non-lawyer and is moving forward in propia persona. Hanes v. Kerner (92 S Ct 594) pro se pleadings are to be considered without regard to? technicality; prose litigants" pleadings are not to be held to the same high standards of perfection as lawyers
    Case law for Pro Se , Jenkins v. McKeithen (456 US 411 421 (1969); Picking v. Penna Ry. Co (151 Fed 2nd 240); Pucket v. Cox (456 Fed 2nd 233); Haines v. Kerner, et.al. (429 F. 2d 71 (1972)); Conley v. Gibson? (355 US 41, 45-6 (1957)); Dioguardi v. During (139 F. 2d 774 (1948)).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    forma pauperis


    Note Fight back for free in Indiana ,
    , ARTICLE 1. Bill of Rights
    Section 12. Openess of the courts, Speedy trial
    Section 12. All courts shall be open; and every person, for injury done to him in his person, property, or reputation, shall have remedy by due course of law. Justice shall be administered freely, and without purchase; completely, and without denial; speedily, and without delay

    Learn the history of The Civil rights Acts & or The Force Act 1833-1871 google on {wikipedia} & {The Force Acts} --it is unconstitutional for officers of the states I e Elected & so appointed like Judges persons of the leadership of the league of the common defense to seek to deprive the rights of , you can submit Civil tort Claims, as such gives you the right to so hold your elected accountable in court Submit tort notice citing {wikipedia & Writ of Mandamus} Via U.S. Title 42 usc section 1983 , Learn the 7 Amendment & terms like compensatory damages for victims whose legal rights have been violated.
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  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 20:41:41
    I don't like Obama in office
    +2
    Historically speaking this would be in the likness of the events of the Starting of the Revolutionary War of united States... The Tax imposed and or Sea Port Control as with the supply of ammunition and or its parts.. Such Today the Only thing Congress can Constitutionally do would be a Federal tax on products -- such any hike would be fought and more liky beat.. as such even as it is the Voluntary Tax is now Forced yet to increase the federal tax would have to be passed from STates to State starting with Ballot or Referendum Vote for the Congress to vote on for Obama to sign such his veto powers would be to make such such votes took place such would seeking to deprive voters rights as such Constructive treason...Such Obama care the tax will be beaten because of it lack of Orgins...related factors
  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 20:42:25
    I don't like Obama in office
    +1
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... For Some historical reading before the civil war to related matters Gibbons v. Ogden ,
  • Connor ... I don't... 2012/07/25 19:08:14
    Connor June
    +3
    Too bad and ex post facto law is a law that if you committed the crime before the law was made, you can still be guilty (or decriminalize that action), and a bill of attainder lets someone be guilty without trial. Also, notice that you can't find more than that, so it appears to have failed.
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/07/26 20:37:50 (edited)
  • Connor ... I don't... 2012/08/28 22:02:38
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/08/28 23:15:50 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    yet -- your truth point --Congress does things in likness with Acts of War .. by debated {vote} thus is still a trial thus to direct the leadership of the paid common defense like the president with power to Act yet always subject to that Vote less it would be unconstitutional and part of the reason for historical power of the veto to secure the vote of the will of the house of the Congress,
    As I understand..
    Aside from the Point of the above stated Congress in time of war & has the power to invoke supenssion of heabus coprus for war tme on us soil ? likness was done with japanese internment camps during ww2 & the civil war. thus is partly reflected in the Would be -- Geneva Conventions about war crimes no trial tell the war is to be over the sought after of protection of right for the Doctors and Judges and General etc of hitler Nürburg trials..
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/08/28 23:45:36 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    I still dis agree with the point you saying people can be arressted & jailed seamingly years after the fact ,with out a trial to prove the guilt -- 1st..thus-- violation of the just use-of-.summons and subpoena differences if your don't show then the court has the rights to Arrest in contempt as a charge of the charge that is a conviction by the act of the arrest thus any after the fact of trial and conviction and sentence would be a violation of the 5th .in some cases. thus your right to the 8th Amendment would so take over for the use of the bail and or Bond to cover any thing of the would be crime so one would not set i jail and become a tax hardship of suppport for the voluntary tax history .The Constitution Limits the power ...The United States Constitution forbids legislative bills of attainder under Article I, Section 9 they embody the concept of due process, which was partially reinforced by the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. The text of the Constitution, Article I, Section 9; Clause 3 is "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed". The constitution of every State also expressly forbids bills of attainder thus we also have what called its called statute of limitations.. unless the law changes the limits.. Some how I can not see Congress doing some thing like that without One hell of a out cry from the people
  • Connor ... I don't... 2012/08/29 02:23:34
    Connor June
    Oh, no, what I'm saying is that this frequently copy and pasted thing on HR 11654 has many flaws, It doesn't prove that it's passed, just has the bill resolution number, preys on how people don't research by claiming that ex post facto laws and bills of attainder make this magic law that cannot be overwritten, even an amendment to the constitution can be overwritten, so I just hate that people act like it's real.
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/08/29 02:58:08
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/08/29 02:59:12
    I don't like Obama in office
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... The Militia Act of 1903 (32 Stat. 775), also known as the Dick Act, was initiated by United States Secretary of War Elihu Root following the Spanish–American War of 1898
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/08/29 03:00:34 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    http://kynghistory.ky.gov/his... The Dick Act And Reorganization: (1903-1908) cited from the Kentucky National Guard eMuseum
  • I don't... Connor ... 2012/08/29 03:01:28
    I don't like Obama in office
    http://www.constitution.org/m... ,
    Militia Act of 1792,
    Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
    Passed May 2, 1792,
    providing for the authority of the President to call out the Militia
  • 4570GOVT I don't... 2012/08/28 17:20:42
    4570GOVT
    +1
    AMEN ! - They are the ONLY place you can get the TRUTH about this . The MSM are FORBADE from talking about it !
  • Slug 2012/07/13 18:50:28
    Good, they need to ban guns.
    Slug
    +3
    WHY are you lying about this treaty and the take on it from the Administration??? Fear mongering ... lying like rugs at K-Mart,,, are make you look like a kid having a temper tantrem. Grow up.
  • Teri- O... Slug 2012/07/13 19:40:42
    Teri- Oregon
    +2
    Obviously, you haven't read the treaty?
  • 4570GOVT Teri- O... 2012/08/28 17:23:21
    4570GOVT
    UN Gun Ban is back

    Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the international anti-gun gang are almost giddy.

    The UN Programme Against Small Arms begins meeting in New York City tomorrow, August 27th. Unlike the “Small Arms Treaty,” the Programme doesn’t require a vote in Congress.

    It’s the same radical anti-gun policy, only this can be directly implemented on U.S. citizens. Some of it is already being enforced.

    Hillary’s State Department recently bragged that the corrupt “Fast & Furious” and “Gunwalker” operations were implementations of the Programme. They almost sounded proud of the murder and mayhem caused by Eric Holder’s Justice Department.

    In the same report, Hillary also revealed that Obama’s ongoing efforts to destroy over one million historic M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1911 Colt .45’s is driven by the UN Programme’s global gun grab scheme.




    “I just want you to know that we are working on it [gun control],” President Obama promised Sarah Brady in a recent meeting. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

    As part of the UN Programme implementation during “Fast & Furious,” Obama worked to shut down gun and ammo sales anywhere near the border. He did it via executive fiat, without any action from Congress whatsoever.

    This is EXACTLY the kind of “process” they...
























    UN Gun Ban is back

    Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the international anti-gun gang are almost giddy.

    The UN Programme Against Small Arms begins meeting in New York City tomorrow, August 27th. Unlike the “Small Arms Treaty,” the Programme doesn’t require a vote in Congress.

    It’s the same radical anti-gun policy, only this can be directly implemented on U.S. citizens. Some of it is already being enforced.

    Hillary’s State Department recently bragged that the corrupt “Fast & Furious” and “Gunwalker” operations were implementations of the Programme. They almost sounded proud of the murder and mayhem caused by Eric Holder’s Justice Department.

    In the same report, Hillary also revealed that Obama’s ongoing efforts to destroy over one million historic M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1911 Colt .45’s is driven by the UN Programme’s global gun grab scheme.




    “I just want you to know that we are working on it [gun control],” President Obama promised Sarah Brady in a recent meeting. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

    As part of the UN Programme implementation during “Fast & Furious,” Obama worked to shut down gun and ammo sales anywhere near the border. He did it via executive fiat, without any action from Congress whatsoever.

    This is EXACTLY the kind of “process” they are going through “under the radar,” only now they want to take it nationwide. Firearms registration is just one of the many anti-gun schemes that is on the table next week at the Programme in New York. And in the wake of the Colorado and Wisconsin tragedies, the left-leaning media is screaming for more.

    Last month, NAGR’s 1.4 million members and supporters played a key role in stalling the UN “Small Arms Treaty.”

    Despite Hillary’s vocal support for global gun control, she and her State Department bureaucrats were forced to back off the treaty negotiations in New York. Much to their chagrin, the conference ended without a completed treaty.

    Thanks to your hard work, gun owners dodged a bullet.

    But Hillary and the petty tyrants at the UN already had the next shot at the UN Gun Ban in the chamber and ready to fire.




    The “Small Arms Treaty” is just one of the many tools they have in their gun-grabbing tool box. Next up is the UN Programme Against Small Arms, and it’s is a HUGE opportunity to push the UN Gun Ban.

    The Programme will meet from August 27th through September 7th at UN Headquarters in New York City to push the very same anti-gun agenda:
    *** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;

    *** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL "unauthorized" civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);

    *** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;

    *** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.
    And the real danger is that after our temporary victory over the treaty in July, many gun owners will “go home” and stop standing up to Hillary, Obama and the UN tyrants.

    Obama knows he must rally his anti-gun allies for November, and as already stated, he is pushing their defunct schemes “under the radar” to get the job done.
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  • I don't... Slug 2012/07/13 20:07:29 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    Historically speaking this would be in the likness of the events of the Starting of the Revolutionary War of united States... The Tax imposed and or Sea Port Control as with the supply of ammunition and or its parts.. Such Today the Only thing Congress can Constitutionally do would be a Federal tax on products -- such any hike would be fought and more liky beat.. as such even as it is the Voluntary Tax is now Forced yet to increase the federal tax would have to be passed from STates to State starting with Ballot or Referendum Vote for the Congress to vote on for Obama to sign such his veto powers would be to make such such votes took place such would seeking to deprive voters rights as such Constructive treason...Such Obama care the tax will be beaten because of it lack of Orgins...related factors..
  • I don't... I don't... 2012/07/13 20:26:02 (edited)
    I don't like Obama in office
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... For Some historical reading before the civil war to related matters Gibbons v. Ogden ,
  • beach bum 2012/07/13 07:21:37
    I will contact them right now!
    beach bum
    +3
    unacceptable
  • Informed Voter 2012/07/13 07:07:19
    I will contact them right now!
    Informed Voter
    +4
    Well, I'm sure that won't matter to the states, since only 6 states don't have the right to bear arms contained in their state constitutions...

    http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volo...

    Besides, our US Constitution trumps a treaty. If it didn't, then our constitution doesn't matter (which it doesn't to Democrats anyway).

    http://opiniojuris.org/2008/0...
    http://www.uhuh.com/control/c...

    "Thomas Jefferson was clear on this point: 'If the treaty power is unlimited, then we don't have a Constitution.' "
    ref: http://www.jpands.org/haciend...
  • socokid Informe... 2012/07/15 16:18:48
    socokid
    You could have spent a lot less time by simply researching these false claims instead.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Informe... socokid 2012/07/15 23:02:57
    Informed Voter
    +1
    LOL!! Politifact? Snoops? FactCheck?

    None of them are reliable sources! They are Left-Wing funded sites! Try some Objective ones and I'll take what you have to say seriously!

    "PolitiFact’s Bill Adair has a recurring fact-checking role on MSNBC’s “The Daily Rundown” hosted by Chuck Todd. I think yesterday’s (June 28) was the first one I’ve watched; while Adair does a pretty good job vocalizing the reasons for the rulings, he did say something (actually two things, one of which I’ll address in my next post) that merited this post."
    ref: http://politi-psychotics.blog...

    "Obviously, the Mikkelsons are not conservative. A conservative would have at least mentioned Fox News or a conservative site in this context and would have been proud to tout his conservatism. Liberals hide their views because they know they aren't popular."
    ref: http://www.renewamerica.com/c...

    "The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two o...
    LOL!! Politifact? Snoops? FactCheck?

    None of them are reliable sources! They are Left-Wing funded sites! Try some Objective ones and I'll take what you have to say seriously!

    "PolitiFact’s Bill Adair has a recurring fact-checking role on MSNBC’s “The Daily Rundown” hosted by Chuck Todd. I think yesterday’s (June 28) was the first one I’ve watched; while Adair does a pretty good job vocalizing the reasons for the rulings, he did say something (actually two things, one of which I’ll address in my next post) that merited this post."
    ref: http://politi-psychotics.blog...

    "Obviously, the Mikkelsons are not conservative. A conservative would have at least mentioned Fox News or a conservative site in this context and would have been proud to tout his conservatism. Liberals hide their views because they know they aren't popular."
    ref: http://www.renewamerica.com/c...

    "The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms."
    ref: http://www.freerepublic.com/f...
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  • socokid Informe... 2012/07/18 13:57:25
    socokid
    Wow.

    So, not one argument against the facts contained within those sources, but instead just try an end around and attack the entire sites themselves for not being conservative enough, as if that would change the facts in the pieces ANYway?

    LOL... How defensive and childish.
  • Informe... socokid 2012/07/18 20:11:25
    Informed Voter
    +2
    Bring on your so-called "facts" and I'll have fun dissecting them for you.
  • socokid Informe... 2012/07/18 22:17:20 (edited)
    socokid
    I posted them already. I'm not going to make you read the links, nor am I going to paste the contents here. Your clicky finger won't break. I promise. Go ahead.

    If you are too lazy to argue the facts presented therein, then you have stopped trying. Meh.

    Basic points. In a way a 5 year old could understand...

    The UN is working on a Gun Ban Treaty in DC and Obama has said he will sign it
    This is a lie, or sheer ignorance. First of all, no treaty can become ratified without 2/3s Senate majority. Period. Obama can't 'sidestep' this one. If you think even one, let alone 2/3rds of Senators would vote for a treaty that curbed our 2nd Amendment, you are already nuts. No help for you. But even if that were to happen (LOL), Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that they wouldn’t support a treaty unless they were guaranteed that it wouldn’t “in any way regulate the domestic manufacture, possession or sales of firearms or ammunition”. They also required veto power by all member states (unanimous, or nada). Lastly, even if a Treaty to curb bad people from getting guns (terrorists, etc...) that also magically had powers to quell American law (no treaty does... ), were to get through this fantasy of a process that would never happen, it would still be struck down by the Supreme...



    I posted them already. I'm not going to make you read the links, nor am I going to paste the contents here. Your clicky finger won't break. I promise. Go ahead.

    If you are too lazy to argue the facts presented therein, then you have stopped trying. Meh.

    Basic points. In a way a 5 year old could understand...

    The UN is working on a Gun Ban Treaty in DC and Obama has said he will sign it
    This is a lie, or sheer ignorance. First of all, no treaty can become ratified without 2/3s Senate majority. Period. Obama can't 'sidestep' this one. If you think even one, let alone 2/3rds of Senators would vote for a treaty that curbed our 2nd Amendment, you are already nuts. No help for you. But even if that were to happen (LOL), Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that they wouldn’t support a treaty unless they were guaranteed that it wouldn’t “in any way regulate the domestic manufacture, possession or sales of firearms or ammunition”. They also required veto power by all member states (unanimous, or nada). Lastly, even if a Treaty to curb bad people from getting guns (terrorists, etc...) that also magically had powers to quell American law (no treaty does... ), were to get through this fantasy of a process that would never happen, it would still be struck down by the Supreme Court in 0 seconds flat, without question, not up for debate.

    So.... this is STILL nothing more than a nonsensical, right-wing-spam, fear-riddled nonsense email blast from several years ago. It has been debunked so many times that seeing it pop up again once in a while gives me a chuckle. It is the gun-clutching maniac's that fear their own shadow enough to make up wild stories... that is the problem.

    But, go ahead. Post off-topic nonsense about Bill Ayers again. (what? sigh) Hilarious.
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  • Informe... socokid 2012/07/19 00:56:51
    Informed Voter
    +1
    Facts? 'fraid not.

    Propaganda and Liberal talking points? Yes!

    Bring on the facts. Or are you afraid?

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