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The National Defense Authorization Act - URGENT ACTION REQUIRED

STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL 2011/12/14 14:57:59
Please email or (preferably) fax your Senators and Representatives TODAY, and go viral. Let's DELUGE them with objections. Fax numbers for all Congressmen can be found at http://www.contactingthecongress.org. Thanks, Stu (remember to change my name to yours in the closing).



Dear Congressman,

You and I both know that freedom is not free. Its price cannot be measured in dollars - and its defense requires eternal vigilance. On December 1, the U.S. Senate passed S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), by a vote of 93-7. A slightly different version of NDAA, H.R. 1540, had already passed the U.S. House in May, and it has been reconciled with the Senate version in a closed session of a Joint Conference Committee.

The NDAA is passed annually to specify the budget and expenditures for the U.S. Department of Defense, but this year's version would essentially strip American citizens of due process - protections that used to set us apart from despotic nations. The Senate version of the NDAA declares the homeland to be part of the battlefield in the "War on Terror." In simple terms, Sections 1031 and 1032 of S. 1867 allow American citizens to be detained indefinitely - without charges or trial - until the War on Terror is declared over.

There has been some confusion over
exactly
what the Senate bill stipulates.

(1) It is believed that the Feinstein Amendment #1456, which passed on Dec. 1 (by a vote of 99-1), says that no provision of Sec. 1031 can be taken to "affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens." In reality, this was added nearly unanimously at the last minute to appease those of us rightly opposed to these detention provisions. In the Congressional Record that day, there are arguments from Senators Lindsey Graham and Carl Levin, both of whom supported this amendment, stating they believe the President and Congress already have the authority to detain American Citizens, since the Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled otherwise. This is not the case (the absence of a Supreme Court decision does not invalidate due process provisions preexisting in the Constitution), but it explains why the bill's main supporters did not oppose the Feinstein amendment.

(2) It is believed that the Senate bill already exempts American Citizens. Sec. 1032 states: "The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States." Please don't fall for this cleverly chosen language. A careful reading of the suspect sections bears out that, while there is no requirement to detain an American citizen, the act thereof is not explicitly prohibited. By extension, this section is implying it is permitted.

The power to determine which American citizens will be indefinitely detained without charges or trial will in fact be left to the President alone under the suspect provisions of the NDAA. I'm certain you would agree that something as important as overturning longstanding American jurisprudence deserves to be the subject of a vigorous debate in a public forum. But, late last week, the House, by an overwhelming majority (406-17), passed a motion that allowed this Joint Committee to meet in secret. Last night, the House and Senate conferees emerged without having changed the offending detainee provisions of the NDAA. In fact, the section numbers (formerly 1031 and 1032) have been changed to 1021 and 1022 to hide the freedom shredding language from Congress and the people.

A vote on the conference report could come as early as today in the House of Representatives.

It is imperative you vote NO on the NDAA (H.R. 1540 / S. 1867) Conference Report unless Secs. 1021 and 1022 are removed, or modified so as to explicitly exclude all U.S. citizens and lawful resident aliens.

In Liberty,
Stewart XXXXXXXX

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  • Paige 2011/12/14 15:49:42
    Paige
    +13
    This is bad stuff Stu.......needs to go viral. We cannot put up with this anymore!

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  • ☆56lady☆POTL~JLA~PWCM 2011/12/15 02:45:56
    ☆56lady☆POTL~JLA~PWCM
    +3
    Thank you Stu for sharing and posting
    I have sent off emails and sent this to my friends as well!!
  • STU~PWC... ☆56lady... 2011/12/15 10:21:19
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    YW, and TY so much for all you are doing. Stu
  • ☆56lady... STU~PWC... 2011/12/15 15:48:43
    ☆56lady☆POTL~JLA~PWCM
    +1
    I try Stu :)
  • STU~PWC... ☆56lady... 2011/12/16 13:06:38
  • ☆56lady... STU~PWC... 2011/12/16 13:20:34
    ☆56lady☆POTL~JLA~PWCM
    good morning stu
  • Ukie 2011/12/15 02:30:57
    Ukie
    +2
    What amazes me is that I have yet to hear anything about this on "any"news program. Not even from Rush..... McCain co-sponsoring....what's up with that?!!!!!
  • Red Branch Ukie 2011/12/15 03:57:06
    Red Branch
    +1
    Rush is quite cautious. McCain earned his reputation as a maverick by voting with the Dems.
  • STU~PWC... Red Branch 2011/12/15 10:24:52
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    See my response to Ukie.
  • Red Branch STU~PWC... 2011/12/15 19:08:55
    Red Branch
    +1
    thanks
  • STU~PWC... Red Branch 2011/12/16 13:07:05
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    YW, Stu
  • STU~PWC... Ukie 2011/12/15 10:24:05
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    Just a guess - fear of the FCC. TV and radio broadcast stations must annually reapply for their broadcast license. The FCC can deny the renewal if they find that the station is not "acting in the public interest," whatever that means. The annual reapplication process gives the FCC an extent of ability to censor the MSM. And guess who the FCC ultimately reports to? It's initials are BHO.
  • kevjon 2011/12/15 01:53:16
    kevjon
    +4
    And to think that Liberals screamed at the top of their lungs accusing Bush of stealing our freedom. This idiot in brief needs to be stopped, he is setting up his private army and laws to grant him freedom of his speech. If this doesn't spell Mien Compf the rise of Odolf Hussein.....we are in for some real caca.
  • dallas kevjon 2011/12/15 05:48:34
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2011/12/15 10:27:35
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    True, this disgrace started with GWB. But let us not forget that Obama voted in favor of extending the retiring provisions of the PAtriot Act. Both presidents are complicit in this atrocity.
  • kevjon STU~PWC... 2011/12/15 14:51:44
    kevjon
    At a time when terrorism hit our soils killing 3000 people, I didn't have a problem with our national security implementing drastic measures to keep us safe. Those policies in the hands of responsible leaders with the intent of keep us safe are no problem.Put those same powers in the hands of a paranoid, arrogant, self centered narcissist and we have a problem.
  • STU~PWC... kevjon 2011/12/16 13:10:47
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    I think it was wrong then too. The Patriot Act is unconstitutional, plain and simple.

    "He who would trade freedom for security deserves, and will have, neither." - Thomas Jefferson.

    The problem is that the incremental security comes at the cost of government control. The more control central government has, the more dictatorial it becomes. And governments are loathe to surrender any power once they attain it. Government becomes the very tyrant you intended it to protect you from.
  • kevjon STU~PWC... 2011/12/16 15:17:07
    kevjon
    At some point there has to be a means to be able to protect oneself. Isreal is a good example of what terrorism can accomplish and quit frankly I find those people to be far more in tune with reality. Bush's patriot act may have been a bit much but given all the liberal laws that give terrorists and criminals way to much freedom to carry out acts such as 9-11 I can understand his reasoning. I lived in countries that used their military in the streets, airports, mob control and borders, I never felt threatened but did feel much safer during their times of gorilla warfare. People say that using our military is a bad thing, I say it is stupid not to especially when we spend thousands on inadequate border patrol and millions on military personnel sitting around in army posts. I'm not knocking military or our boarder patrol just the policies.
    Mexico has claimed that if we use the military on the borders we will become a military state yet they use their military to secure their borders. We are in dangerous times that require drastic measures. Do I trust Obama with this power...hell no but he is a fluke and there can be powers within to control his chaotic behaviour, we unfortunately have chaos all over DC at present.
    Getting back to the patriot act, that act only reinstated polic...
    At some point there has to be a means to be able to protect oneself. Isreal is a good example of what terrorism can accomplish and quit frankly I find those people to be far more in tune with reality. Bush's patriot act may have been a bit much but given all the liberal laws that give terrorists and criminals way to much freedom to carry out acts such as 9-11 I can understand his reasoning. I lived in countries that used their military in the streets, airports, mob control and borders, I never felt threatened but did feel much safer during their times of gorilla warfare. People say that using our military is a bad thing, I say it is stupid not to especially when we spend thousands on inadequate border patrol and millions on military personnel sitting around in army posts. I'm not knocking military or our boarder patrol just the policies.
    Mexico has claimed that if we use the military on the borders we will become a military state yet they use their military to secure their borders. We are in dangerous times that require drastic measures. Do I trust Obama with this power...hell no but he is a fluke and there can be powers within to control his chaotic behaviour, we unfortunately have chaos all over DC at present.
    Getting back to the patriot act, that act only reinstated policies that were practiced all the way up to the time that human rights acts took hold in this country and not sure how old you are but I never felt infringements on my rights nor did my parents. TV is responsible for 99% of peoples decisions in this country, we never watched more than 20 minutes of TV twice a week at most. We used to think and form our own interpretations. Liberals keep using the slogan that we want to return to the old ways, I say sure...people respected people back then and weren't caught up dictating how the rest had to live.
    (more)
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2011/12/23 23:39:01
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/01/12 20:53:00
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    A fair, and complex question. In 2003, Bush was fairing very poorly in the polls against Kerry. I suspect Bush did this to himself. Just after the Twin Towers were hit, GWB went to GZ and made a televised speech that he would capture or kill every terrorist on earth, an impossible goal. While the 30 day reprisal on Afghanistan did (probably) deter incremental terror, the Taliban of course was not "eliminated," but just temporarily weakened. While this may have been the Administration's goal, the American people viewed our performance there as a failure in light of the massive promise made at the GZ speech.

    Bush knew that in order to beat Kerry, he needed a decisive military win somewhere. This is why Iraq was attacked. Bush knew that if he could topple the Baath Party, he'd have his "cred" back with the GOP voting base. So the CIA concocted fake evidence of nuclear research going on in Iraq to "justify" the invasion. But what nobody thought about at the time was that Iraq only constructed one nuclear research facility, which was taken out in an Israeli airstrike prior to 2003. It was impossible for Iraq to have been conducting nuclear research in 2003.

    So, who voted to give George Bush a 2nd term as president? The sad and sick answer is that GWB did by getting the CIA to p...

    A fair, and complex question. In 2003, Bush was fairing very poorly in the polls against Kerry. I suspect Bush did this to himself. Just after the Twin Towers were hit, GWB went to GZ and made a televised speech that he would capture or kill every terrorist on earth, an impossible goal. While the 30 day reprisal on Afghanistan did (probably) deter incremental terror, the Taliban of course was not "eliminated," but just temporarily weakened. While this may have been the Administration's goal, the American people viewed our performance there as a failure in light of the massive promise made at the GZ speech.

    Bush knew that in order to beat Kerry, he needed a decisive military win somewhere. This is why Iraq was attacked. Bush knew that if he could topple the Baath Party, he'd have his "cred" back with the GOP voting base. So the CIA concocted fake evidence of nuclear research going on in Iraq to "justify" the invasion. But what nobody thought about at the time was that Iraq only constructed one nuclear research facility, which was taken out in an Israeli airstrike prior to 2003. It was impossible for Iraq to have been conducting nuclear research in 2003.

    So, who voted to give George Bush a 2nd term as president? The sad and sick answer is that GWB did by getting the CIA to produce phony evidence of Iraqi violations of the 1991 UN Peace Accord signed after the Iraqi's surrendered the first time (after invading Kuwait). The American public fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and gave Bush a second term.

    This is called "the tail wagging the dog."
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  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/01/12 23:52:53 (edited)
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/01/13 00:45:11
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    I have no doubt that most evangelicals preferred Bush to Kerry, but this group is hardly large enough to win on. Bush clearly had a polling crisis in 2003. Kerry was on track to absolutely clobber him in the general election. Bush simply overpromised and underdelivered on the terror issue. So he invented a phony reason to win a big war and get his poll numbers up. It's simply disgusting, but it's what happened.
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/01/13 19:23:52
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/01/13 20:46:50
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    I agree Bush was not a good president, but I think you know you are taking my point out of context.
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/01/13 22:07:50
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/01/13 22:35:36
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    Oh, come on, this is getting crazy. All I meant was that Bush defeated the Republican Guard, took down the Baath Party, and ended Saddam's rule in Iraq. You know all of this is true.

    And how in the f*****g hell could the TPM have "destroyed the United States." At present it has absolutely no power. TPM saturation in Congress is only 2%. There are no TPM members in the Administration. I'm not aware of any TPM judges.

    The truth is that progressives, and the centrist toadies in the GOP that made "deals" with them, destroyed the United States. The mass illegal usurpation of state and indivdual powers by the federal government, in violation of the Tenth Amendment, is the result of 120 years of progressivism. And this very usurpation is why we are drowning in federal debt (all the stolen powers have to be funded and enforced). Even after over 100 years of MISERABLE FAILURE, you still can't admit that the liberal/moderate alliance is the sole cause of our current nightmares. You wouldn't even give true constitutional conservatives a fair chance to fix the mess your "heroes" like FDR and Wilson created.

    einstein insanity
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/01/14 00:10:46
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/02/03 12:23:08
  • kevjon dallas 2011/12/15 14:48:13
    kevjon
    Personally I didn't have that much of a problem with the patriot act. Bush implemented it to get around all the politically correct safe havens liberals implemented to give criminals more rights than victims. The major complaint was they could listen in on any phone call...do you really think that what you have to say over the phone is worth listening to.
    The fact that Obama wants to completely control the Internet to the point where he was willing to give our rights of control to Europe, encouraging people to rat on their neighbor if they disagreed with his crap, adding 15000 more IRS agents, writing policies behind closed doors, giving government unlimited search and aprehension privileges, implementing amnesty to 20 million criminals, reenacting the patriot act and adding to it, how can you sit there and complain about one program that kept us safe and had a statue of limitation on it. Lets not forget Obamas promise to close guantanamo and instead kept it open with a provision of keeping suspected prisoners indefinitely. He calls terrorist murderers on our soil not terrorists but plain criminals in order to keep a fake clean record.
    I enjoy my freedom but I don't believe we should tie our national security's hands nor do I think criminals have the same rights we do.
  • STU~PWC... kevjon 2011/12/16 13:16:19
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    While I agree that Obama is a freedom shredding president, so was Bush. The Patriot Act violates four Amendments in the Bill of Rights, and may be so illegal that it isn't even severable. Rather than stripping Americans of their natural and Constitutional rights, we should be aggressively dealing with the threat by incarcerating or expelling all Islamics that recruit or raise funds for foreign terror cells. Instead, we are playing host to the enemy, and threatening ourselves with incarcerceration.
  • Red Branch dallas 2011/12/15 19:12:00
    Red Branch
    +1
    That equation is history. Obama owns the Patriot Act now.

    Twice Obama has signed laws strengthening the Patriot Act. I am well aware who was president wen it war first signed.
    I also remember who campaigned against the PA, yet did nnothing to weaken it.
  • STU~PWC... kevjon 2011/12/15 10:26:31
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    At one point Obama called for a "citizens army", as large as the formal military. The obvious intent was to get around posse comitatus. It is very clear that Obama is seeking dictatorial power.
  • Max 2011/12/14 23:59:44
    Max
    +7
    "Speaking to conspiracy talk show host Alex Jones on Tuesday, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said he believes that Attorney General Eric Holder should be “immediately fired,” and that President Barack Obama is pushing for the legalization of “martial law” in the U.S."

    http://www.blacklistednews.co...
  • STU~PWC... Max 2011/12/15 10:34:33
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    +1
    Hi Max,

    Holder has an immense amount of baggage, but possibly his biggest issue is probable involvement in the Gunwalker conspiracy. Senator Grassley, in his F&F coverup investigation, even talked about possibly filing negligent homicide charges against all proven conspirators.

    Obama has every reason to implement marshal law. He's not polling well, and marshal law would enable him to suspend elections, and in effect, install himself as dictator for who knows how long. The freedom shredding aspects of the NDAA (use of the military against US citizens on US soil), as well as the 4-5 dozen large FEMA camps that are popping up all over the country (possible detention facilities for those who revolt against marshal law), may be indications that Obama already planning to implement marshal law sometime before election time.

    Stu
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/01/13 22:11:27 (edited)
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/01/13 23:14:45
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/02/03 13:23:34
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/07/12 03:28:11
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    I believe most if not all of these camps were built within the last year or so, but I admit that I am not certain.
  • dallas STU~PWC... 2012/07/15 02:34:12
  • STU~PWC... dallas 2012/07/16 21:08:38
    STU~PWCM~JLA~POTL~AFCL
    I have no idea. Mitt's a worthless RINO as far as I'm concerned. He beats Obama by a mile, but that's not saying anything.
  • voice_m... Max 2011/12/15 19:05:38
    voice_matters
    tired of the lib scare tactic. there is nothing in the defense act that gives obama any new powers. at any time the president can call martial law. that comment shows why ron paul should not be president, it shows that he has never read the constitution, and that he has no knowledge of the powers of the president.

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