The media is keeping the public eye on AIG...$165 million in bonus checks . Now Think folks.. is a 165 million alot in compared with what our goverment is doing with our money?
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2009/03/18 23:57:26
German and French banks got $36 billion from AIG Bailout
Posted by: Michael Mandel on March 15
We officially moved into the next stage of the crisis today. AIG, likely under pressure from the administration, decided to come clean about where most of the bailout money was going. In a press release with several attachments, the struggling insurer detailed which counterparties had gotten about $100 billion of the bailout funds.
I added up the various lists provided by AIG by country (see below), and the results were quite revealing. About $44 billion went to counterparties headquartered in the U.S., such as Goldman Sachs and states such as California and Virginia.
But as I expected, the majority of the funds—$58 billion—went to banks headquartered outside the U.S. The big winners were French and German banks, which pulled in $19 billion and $17 billion respectively.
To put these numbers in perspective, remember that the U.S. fiscal stimulus bill passed in February provided only $27.5 billion for highway and bridge construction.
In effect, the U.S. Treasury and Fed have been bailing out the rest of the world, to a massive degree. Is this a good thing? Perhaps.
But the U.S. cannot be the banker for the entire world. Now that the list are public knowledge, Congress is going to balk at providing any more open-ended financing for foreign counterparties. We are faced a global crisis, and it can only be solved through global action.
Here’s the country table. The detailed bank table is under the break.
Country AIG-related payments
billions of dollars
US 43.5
France 19.1
Germany 16.7
UK 12.7
Switzerland 5.4
Netherlands 2.3
Canada 1.1
Spain 0.3
Denmark 0.2
101.3
AIG-Related Payments
Country
Bank Amount Total Country
billions of dollars
Bank of Montreal 1.1 1.1
Canada Danske 0.2 0.2 Denmark
Société Générale 11.9
France BNP Paribas 4.9
France Calyon 2.3
France 19.1
France Deutsche Bank 11.8
Germany Dresdner Kleinwort 2.2
Germany Deutsche Zentral-Genossenschaftsbank 1
Germany DZ Bank 0.7
Germany KFW 0.5
Germany Dresdner Bank AG 0.4
Germany Landesbank Baden-Wuerttemberg 0.1
Germany 16.7
Germany ING 1.5
Netherlands Rabobank 0.8
Netherlands 2.3
Netherlands Banco Santander 0.3
0.3 Spain
UBS 5 Switzerland
Credit Suisse 0.4 Switzerland
5.4 Switzerland
Barclays 8.5 UK
HSBC Bank USA 3.5 UK
Royal Bank of Scotland 0.7 UK
12.7 UK
Goldman Sachs 12.9 US
States and Cities 12 US
Merrill Lynch 6.8 US
Bank of America 5.2 US
Citigroup 2.3 US
Wachovia 1.5 US
Morgan Stanley 1.2 US
AIG International Inc. 0.6 US
JPMorgan 0.4 US
Citadel 0.2 US
Paloma Securities 0.2 US
Reconstruction Finance Corp 0.2 US
43.5 US
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Posted by: Michael Mandel on March 15
We officially moved into the next stage of the crisis today. AIG, likely under pressure from the administration, decided to come clean about where most of the bailout money was going. In a press release with several attachments, the struggling insurer detailed which counterparties had gotten about $100 billion of the bailout funds.
I added up the various lists provided by AIG by country (see below), and the results were quite revealing. About $44 billion went to counterparties headquartered in the U.S., such as Goldman Sachs and states such as California and Virginia.
But as I expected, the majority of the funds—$58 billion—went to banks headquartered outside the U.S. The big winners were French and German banks, which pulled in $19 billion and $17 billion respectively.
To put these numbers in perspective, remember that the U.S. fiscal stimulus bill passed in February provided only $27.5 billion for highway and bridge construction.
In effect, the U.S. Treasury and Fed have been bailing out the rest of the world, to a massive degree. Is this a good thing? Perhaps.
But the U.S. cannot be the banker for the entire world. Now that the list are public knowledge, Congress is going to balk at providing any more open-ended financing for foreign counterparties. We are faced a global crisis, and it can only be solved through global action.
Here’s the country table. The detailed bank table is under the break.
Country AIG-related payments
billions of dollars
US 43.5
France 19.1
Germany 16.7
UK 12.7
Switzerland 5.4
Netherlands 2.3
Canada 1.1
Spain 0.3
Denmark 0.2
101.3
AIG-Related Payments
Country
Bank Amount Total Country
billions of dollars
Bank of Montreal 1.1 1.1
Canada Danske 0.2 0.2 Denmark
Société Générale 11.9
France BNP Paribas 4.9
France Calyon 2.3
France 19.1
France Deutsche Bank 11.8
Germany Dresdner Kleinwort 2.2
Germany Deutsche Zentral-Genossenschaftsbank 1
Germany DZ Bank 0.7
Germany KFW 0.5
Germany Dresdner Bank AG 0.4
Germany Landesbank Baden-Wuerttemberg 0.1
Germany 16.7
Germany ING 1.5
Netherlands Rabobank 0.8
Netherlands 2.3
Netherlands Banco Santander 0.3
0.3 Spain
UBS 5 Switzerland
Credit Suisse 0.4 Switzerland
5.4 Switzerland
Barclays 8.5 UK
HSBC Bank USA 3.5 UK
Royal Bank of Scotland 0.7 UK
12.7 UK
Goldman Sachs 12.9 US
States and Cities 12 US
Merrill Lynch 6.8 US
Bank of America 5.2 US
Citigroup 2.3 US
Wachovia 1.5 US
Morgan Stanley 1.2 US
AIG International Inc. 0.6 US
JPMorgan 0.4 US
Citadel 0.2 US
Paloma Securities 0.2 US
Reconstruction Finance Corp 0.2 US
43.5 US
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flaca BN-0 2009/03/19 00:04:39None of the above+2the "bonus" was not a bonus. It was a retention agreement, something many companies do. The whole thing was explained today in the hearings.


















France&Germany; got at the "Head of the Line" to get what was owed them first.
They're not just giving money to foreign sources. They're making good on derivative contracts that they signed with foreign countries. The reason they're in such deep poo-poo, is that most of the foreign investors who wanted protection from Mortgage Backed Securities collapsing purchase these derivative contracts (AIG was a big supplier of them), so they're obligated to pay out to said sources.
Should we cancel all those debts because they are foreign? I can't imagine the rest of the world would be very happy about that, but it is a possible solution. What sort of credibility do you think America would have after that?
AIG absolutely did the wrong thing by creating massive amounts of risk by selling insurance to anyone and everyone (yes, including German and French companies, and probably Arab companies and probably Russia companies). However, without all these debts, the company wouldn't be in trouble in the first place-- so no bailout necessary.