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The Failure of Wind Power

andy15554 2012/12/11 14:24:13
Green energy isn't ripe, stop wasting money on it.
Greeniacs don't care about cost or the economy
Expensive green energy will kill millions of jobs
Expensive Green energy will steal all of peoples disposable income
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Anything green is just dandy, whether it works or not
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December 11, 2012

Some politicians, like Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, are very ambitious about the role of alternative energy in electricity generation. His goal for the state is to produce 2,000 megawatts of power from alternative energy sources by 2020, says Kevin D. Williamson of the National Review.

Patrick expects wind power to be a major alternative source. However, as the general manager of the local utility authority in Princeton, Mass., describes, many wind-energy projects are failures.
•Princeton Municipal Light Department's wind-energy project has lost nearly $2 million.
•Customers of this utility company pay more in their electricity bill than the average customer -- totaling nearly $744,000 in 2011.
•Moreover, the general manager projects the project to lose $600,000 a year.

The projected yearly losses don't assume changes in wholesale electricity rates or repair costs, which can be extravagant.
•Original warranties on turbines have expired and extended warranty options are not available.
•This is problematic considering that the cost of replacing a gearbox, for instance, is estimated at $600,000.
•About $40 billion worth of wind turbines will go out of warranty by the end of 2012.

Additionally, wind turbines are out of commission more than 20 percent of the time -- only 0.5 percent of that time accounts for regularly scheduled maintenance. This makes it difficult for companies to produce cheap energy to consumers.

On top of the costs of utility losses and the price of subsidies, companies forgo investments in more economically viable projects. Rather than have the government provide incentives for certain ventures, market forces can direct companies and public officials to make sound investments. For example, agricultural and industrial users have more to gain from wind-energy projects than municipal utilities.

In some cases, wind energy has proven an economical investment. Valero installed a massive wind farm at its refinery in Texas that generates enough electricity for the entire complex. Furthermore, equipment used to run Marcellus Shale gas runs off solar power. In both cases, the firms were willing to invest in the alternative energy because it was economical, not because the government provided incentives.

Source: Kevin D. Williamson, "Deval-used Wind Power," National Review Online, December 3, 2012.
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  • andy15554 2012/12/11 14:50:25
    All of the above
    andy15554
    +11
    China is building 50 Nuclear Power plants, wouldn't that have been a much better thing to spend Obama silly trillion dollar stimulus on? They are going to beat us even worse with cheap energy.

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  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/12/14 05:19:19
    All of the above
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    I have been telling people for a few years now about the high cost of alternative energy. They think that it is worth it to save the earth. When you try to tell people about how companies move to place like china where they can get cheap everything they just call them greedy. You can not build a stable economy on services only and you need some industry. This is exactly how Obama thinks as well.
  • andy15554 ☆stillt... 2012/12/14 11:52:53
    andy15554
    +2
    Add high cost of energy to the high cost of compliance with regulations and now Obamacare and the EPA restrictions. There won't be any manufacturing jobs left. Plus China is building 50 new Nuclear power plants, add cheap labor to cheap electricity and we won't be able to make anything.
  • ☆stillt... andy15554 2012/12/14 18:29:57 (edited)
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    There is a new regulation that is going to go into effect after the first of the year that the EPA brags will never allow another coal fired plant to be built in America. A carbon tax is going into effect after the first of the year in Calif that is going to increase electric bills by 37%. Calif already has the highest rate in America. Alternative Energy had dropped too 2.54 times cost of conventional energy and it has now almost double too 5 times more expensive.
  • andy15554 ☆stillt... 2012/12/14 19:03:10
    andy15554
    +1
    China will be booming
  • ☆stillt... andy15554 2012/12/14 19:48:04
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    Yes they will and along with all those nuclear plants they are building more that 1 coal fired plant per a week. Giving them the cheap energy they need to clean our clocks,
  • andy15554 ☆stillt... 2012/12/14 20:09:36
    andy15554
    +1
    while we force green energy on to our factories that cost between 3 and 20 times more. Along with the EPA Obama will kill at least 5 million more jobs in 4 more years.
  • ☆stillt... andy15554 2012/12/14 20:49:43
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +1
    Yes indeed!!
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/15 21:23:28
    bigfoot
    You really need to get off this RWNJ Freebie Kick.Do yourself a favor before you use it again and do a quick review of corporate tax breaks.For example,money stashed in off shore banks to avoid paying U.S.Taxes,corp free taxes to move a business to a state.Tax exemptions in the tax code for expenses for moving company and products out of the country. Does the name Mitt Romney mean anything to you?
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/15 23:53:42
    andy15554
    littlebrain, Look at England and France, they raised taxes on the rich and got less money. You fools think you'll get a dime more? LOL you'll get less, and you'll kill investment and new jobs too. You people are just so stupid it's amazing. They earned the money they can put it where ever they get the best deal. And when did anyone ever prove that Romney did anything illegal? He didn't. The rich will change their behavior to pay less taxes and I laugh in your face with the fact, that you'll see tax revenues go down.
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/16 04:12:06
    bigfoot
    Yup! If you say so.Believe what you like.I choose to believe people with facts far more intelligent than you are.
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/16 04:15:41 (edited)
    andy15554
    you're too stupid to see the truth.
  • andy15554 andy15554 2012/12/16 04:17:11
    andy15554
    "facts far more intelligent than you are" what a moron.
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/16 04:23:45 (edited)
    bigfoot
    you can't read either.that moron you see is in the mirror.
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/16 04:32:59
    andy15554
    yuk yuk yuk, nope clearly you douche bag
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/16 05:29:35
    bigfoot
    "nope,clearly you douche bag." This is a response from a Conservative Religous Right supporter unhappy with my comment accusing RWNJs and Corporations of being anti-American and Tax Evaders.Certainly a graduate of the Wharton Business School.
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/16 05:44:16 (edited)
    andy15554
    bigidiot, you got nothing, no facts, nothing, just the opinion of you, a liberal moron. Idiot they have accountants who will hide their money in tax shelters, all legal. Companies make about 10% after taxes, now with Obamacare and the "rich" tax, they make 2 or 3% they won't take risks or spend their time for nothing when they can make more in municipal bonds and foreign investments. Avoiding paying higher taxes is anything but anti-American. What is anti-American is lazy losers and Obama wanting to tax the "rich" to somehow get even. The top 10% pay 70% of all income taxes. It's losers like you who pay zero or near zero taxes who are anti-American. Move along idiot you're just too stupid to waste time on.
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/16 04:26:19
    bigfoot
    Then why is it you are the only one,who can see the truth?
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/16 04:34:16
    andy15554
    there are millions and millions of us who have brains, unlike you idiots
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/16 05:00:35 (edited)
    bigfoot
    In your dreams.The brains you refer to have never been used.Like yours.There is a vast difference between wishful thinking and facts.You and the RWNJs live in your alternative universe where your dreams become reality.Millions and millions like you cannot justify their argument.And like you they resort to name calling and insults.However,those tactics fail,in the face of truth and facts.We would be thrilled to learn the truth from you.Our problem is your truth is so secret,you don't even know what it is.You cannot put into words justification for your point of view.Only to say,because we cannot read your mind we are idiots.
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/16 05:04:12
    andy15554
    bigidiot, you are an Obama voter, the epitome of stupid
  • bigfoot andy15554 2012/12/16 05:34:16 (edited)
    bigfoot
    Nice try Andy.All you have to do is lay out your argument with supportiong facts and you have our votes.Thus far all you have done is direct everyone to a page number of the Conservative Manifesto ,where answers are provided before the questions are even asked.Hey!Any question without an immediate answer in the Conservative Handbook has an immediate response of "God Will Decide."Stupid?Our equals will decide.I'm comfortable with their decision.
  • andy15554 bigfoot 2012/12/16 05:45:56
    andy15554
    "N" good one, for you.
  • miro.plachy 2012/12/13 09:23:07
    Green energy isn't ripe, stop wasting money on it.
    miro.plachy
    +1
    http://youtu.be/uK367T7h6ZY please watch this and consider it.
  • andy15554 miro.pl... 2012/12/13 15:17:38
    andy15554
    +1
    Yes I've heard of this, why don't we have 100 of these being built now? Not a clue.
  • GettingBarried 2012/12/12 18:00:18
    Greeniacs don't care about cost or the economy
    GettingBarried
    +2
    And another example of the government picking losers and losers. Ironically, most entities going into something blindly have a shot at doing well and so they are picking winners and losers. The government, on the other hand, gets controlled by the right people so the cash flows to the right "investors" which, of course are never the taxpayers. The taxpayers do however get to hold the bag at the end of the fiasco.
  • LarryFine 2012/12/12 15:25:25
    All of the above
    LarryFine
    +3
    Patrick doesn't give a rats ass about green energy. His motivation was to move windmill manufacturing to the state and it has backfired in his face.
  • andy15554 LarryFine 2012/12/12 16:11:38
    andy15554
    +3
    These guys would have us go further into debt to prop up this and other failed expensive green boondoggles.
  • LarryFine andy15554 2012/12/12 16:33:49
    LarryFine
    +3
    Rumor has it he is a contender for 2016 and he is doing all he can to bolster his image, including holding local energy companies hostage over his freakin' wind farm nightmare
  • andy15554 LarryFine 2012/12/12 17:50:50
    andy15554
    +2
    I worry that the populace is so far down the river into freebies they won't seek the truth in anything.
  • LarryFine andy15554 2012/12/13 13:45:13
    LarryFine
    +2
    It will be forced on them. They won't be immune from sharing in the fiscal misery they've wished for
  • Debra Smith 2012/12/12 13:47:51
  • andy15554 Debra S... 2012/12/12 14:16:43
    andy15554
    +3
    simpleton, Green energy is too expensive and un reliable. It will put millions out of work and close our remaining factories. Dim wits like you would have us use horse and buggies again.
  • Debra S... andy15554 2012/12/12 14:21:30
  • andy15554 Debra S... 2012/12/12 14:24:23 (edited)
    andy15554
    +3
    we have 200 years of oil, natural gas and coal. Your idiocy is best kept to yourself.

    You are beyond help with silly notions like that
  • LarryFine andy15554 2012/12/12 15:35:01
    LarryFine
    +3
    These pinheads that think we will power the world's economy on windmill are living in a dreamland and have no clue about how many windmills would be needed to replace the billions of mw of power currently produced by traditional methods.
  • andy15554 LarryFine 2012/12/12 16:13:38
    andy15554
    +2
    This expensive energy would bankrupt every factory we have left if implemented, not to mention every family with higher electric bills. Just like the right to work states, we need right to choose our energy source, I choose all COAL.
  • Sheila LarryFine 2012/12/12 20:23:53
    Sheila
    +3
    Larry you are not taking into consideration that when the unicorns are employed to maintain the windmills they work so much better...
  • Getting... Sheila 2012/12/12 21:10:05
    GettingBarried
    +3
    Oh my! I completely forgot about harnessing unicorn farts!

    :)
  • Sheila Getting... 2012/12/14 16:27:38
    Sheila
    +2
    It is funny to me that we have such a perfect example of putting your eggs into the "green energy" basket in Spain yet no one sees it.

    I tend toward sarcasm as a defense mechanism! Keeps me sane...lol... green energy is useless
  • Debra S... andy15554 2012/12/12 16:40:22

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