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The Cross & The Crescent... Who Killed More, Muslims or Crusaders

chaoskitty123 2010/09/04 06:24:29
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The question itself has merit because the war between Christianity and Islam has raged for a very long time. If we were to exam both sides in this war, however, we find the bloodbath on either side left a body count in the tens of millions. While Islam is often looked back upon in a more positive light by many scholars, the atrocities committed by Muslims far outstrips the Crusaders but by no means does that reduce the brutality and cruelty of the Crusaders themselves.

For the most part, it could be said that the Crusaders were responding to pograms by the Pope against Islam. For the most part, the Crusaders were not a well trained fighting force and there was even a Crusade infamous because it was comprised entirely of children who believed in lies God called them to go forth where they were slaughtered and survivors sold into slavery. Both the Crusaders and Muslims committed atrocities not only against the enemy, but ravaged their own lands sending armies forth who raped, pillaged and destroyed villages and towns in their way both friend and foe to feed their armies. The Muslims atrocities included wiping out entire cities killing every man woman and child to send a message. The Crusaders may not have been as bloodthirsty but they definately ravaged city after city committing unspeakable atrocities of their own and did wipe out entire cities on occasion but not to the same level as Muslims.

Both sides had the practice of building churches and mosques on key sites when they conquered an enemy city but Islam did this far more often as Crusaders rarely built churches at all and when they did they generally built new ones often by demolishing Muslim fortifications and I would not doubt mosques as well for the stone.

It is a miracle that the Crusaders achieved the successes that they did considering that even when they had well equipped armies, they tended to be comprised from various groups who were political rivals and when the Pope sent a French army across the lands of their European rivals to the front to fight Islam, they often ravaged these lands and with the Popes blessings since that's how he got the French and other groups to fight for him... to even old scores and the promise of European conquests as well as conquests over Islam.

In the broader question of who killed more people period, Christians or Muslims, the pendulum again swings against Islam because Western nations stopped the witchhunts, the inquisitions and the fight between Church and State has established almost all western nations as secular. But in the Muslim world, even among secular nations we still see the old cruelties and barbarism of hanging gays, stoning women to death, beheadings even in allied nations like Saudi Arabia for religious violations.

No, the Christian world has largely become Liberalised whether Liberals understand the level of their success or not. Most Liberals eventually tire of fighting and begin trying to preserve what they have achieved at some point so that they ideologically become Conservatives because that's what Conservatives do... preserve their achievements and cultural / social values they find merit in. Up to 30% of Conservatives are Pro Choicers for instance and about the same number of Liberals are Pro Lifers... people never consider this. Likewise, Liberals seem to be so "Anti Christian" it leaves the impression all Liberals are godless Atheists which is far from the truth. An even greater truth is that Liberal Christians and Conservative Christians attend the same churches and often share the same religious beliefs... but their political beliefs divide them outside the church.

Liberalism has made a huge impact on Christianity in the modern world and for centuries, Christianity has been separated from it's brutal past.

To ask if Dick Cheney has killed more Muslims when the question centers on "Who Killed More" (and that's all they asked, the answers however all center on Muslims vs Christians except the Cheney answer).

Cheney killed nobody. Saladin was not held accountable for those butchered in his name nor were the Popes. Cheney did not personally lead the battle and at best even if we were to count up all the dead in Afghanistan and Iraq to lay at his feet... there's only a few thousand nowhere near what the others killed or ordered.

The Crusades were a departure from the wars between the East and West Roman Empires ultimately leading to the destruction of the byzantine Empire. They were a response to Muslim invasion and conquest. Spain was part of this as were many Western nations today with some of the most brutal men in history coming to the forefront like Vlad the Impaler and Ivan the Terrible during these times.

Then focus on Muslims outside of Europe as up to 80 million Hindus were butchered by Muslim invaders as were tens of millions in Asia. When people focus on Christians and Muslims in the West, they tend to forget what Muslims did in the East or know absolutely nothing about it.

The Reconquista of Spain led Europeans to seek out the West Indies for wealth trying to bypass Muslim conquerors cutting them off by land from the East and instead forun the New World where natives were not killed in the name of Christianity for the most part or as part of religious crusades or wars... but in the names of Kings and Queens as well as those who would be Kings of the New World. While many point to 20 million natives decimated by Europeans, they forget that the Europeans did not conquer the natives, it was Europeans with the Indian allies who did as 500 Conquistadors did not conquer the Aztecs and Inca's nor did colonials and pioneers butcher natives in North America... it was the hundreds of thousands and even millions of natives who sided with them who helped them achieve this.

So who killed more?

The answer would be who is still killing more people in the name of their God and no man has ever achieved as many deaths including Hitler or Stalin than those who killed in the name of their God. Islam has killed more in the name of Allah than Christians in the name of God... and they are still doing it today adding to the death count with every war, every battle and every terrorist act committed in the name of Allah regardless if they are fanatics or religious adherents.

Feel free to fight among yourselves over this one as Crusaders and Muslims have been doing for going on 2000 years... why shouldn't the war continue on the internet with a war of opinions by supporters of Islam and supporters of Christianity... the West and East vs the Middle East?

And no, neither Bush nor Cheney killed more unless you want to start racking up the numbers being killed under Obama and toss him in too which is just as ridiculous.


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  • Disko Pickle 2010/09/05 19:37:57 (edited)
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    Disko Pickle
    +23
    It doesn't matter. The moment that a religion is responsible for even one death is the moment that that religion has proven it is false.

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  • Elephant Lord 2012/01/15 05:23:40 (edited)
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    Elephant Lord
    Every religion has killed millions of people. Actually, it's a$$holes who commit acts of cruelty in the name of their religion are the ones killing people. Most of the times it's just an excuse for power or money.
  • thetruth 2011/08/06 04:40:54
    Muslims Killed More
    thetruth
    And the numbers keep on rising ...
  • Amine 2011/02/06 16:13:39
    Christians Killed More
    Amine
    Not only Christians killed more Muslims, they even killed more Christians themselves at that epoch by the means of INQUISITION;
  • ☆Snapefangirl☆ 2010/11/22 22:57:33
    Undecided
    ☆Snapefangirl☆
    Does it matter?
  • Dr Nassef 2010/09/28 08:59:09 (edited)
    Undecided
    Dr Nassef
    the more important Question is why
    thousends of humans killed by the by the leaders of the Crusaders to gain more lands and gold
    do you know that the Muslims killed in large numbers and the Crusaders built churches by muslims bones. the shocking thing is that these bones are replaced from time to time.
    i realy don't know how could a person ask for God's forgivness in such a place
    built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling built churches muslim bones bones father son bulte church feeling bones bones father son build church feeling person gods forgivness
  • ImageBa... Dr Nassef 2010/09/29 01:24:11
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    ancient history - and not really christians - the muslims are killing today and they are really muslims.
  • Dr Nassef ImageBa... 2010/09/29 06:25:18 (edited)
    Dr Nassef
    +1
    Muslims, Christians, Jewish, Hindus ...ect
    All do crimes in ancient history and today
    And always the entire group is blamed for the mistake of some of them
    I didn't mean to blame all or even most of the Christians for that
    But I also don't want any one to blame ancient or modern Muslims for crimes some ignorant ons that doesn't know anything about Islam did.
    {by the way that churche bones was renewed at 1870 (not so ancient)}
    God bless you and have a nice day
  • ☆Snapef... Dr Nassef 2010/11/22 22:59:10
    ☆Snapefangirl☆
    Those pictures are disturbing.
  • Dr Nassef ☆Snapef... 2010/11/23 08:44:13
    Dr Nassef
    its sure is
    if your son or father's bones is between these bones sure you will be very angry
    so is the muslims there
    God bless you and have a nice day
  • Elephan... Dr Nassef 2012/01/15 05:26:12
    Elephant Lord
    That church is the kind of place that a horror movie won't use as a setting because it's too over the top.
  • Dr Nassef Elephan... 2012/02/21 08:48:37
    Dr Nassef
    People with that kind of heart are still present till now
    People who could kill thousands for some oil or chair in Chechnya or irak or seria ……ect
    But don't be sad GOD will give them their rights back
    Our prophet (PBUH) said that the killed one stand in front of GOD carrying his head on his hand poring blood and beside him his killer at the day of judgment and GOD ask the killed one FOR WHAT SIN YOU ARE KILLED
    These trials is also for killing animals unjustly not only humans
  • ☆ c61☆ 2010/09/28 02:43:25
    Undecided
    ☆ c61☆
    with the Spanish inquisition
    The salem witch trials
    The crusades... then theres those who are still killing...How does one crunch the numbers?
  • cutter's falls 2010/09/27 01:39:18
  • ImageBandit ~ American Patriot 2010/09/13 03:21:34
    Undecided
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +5
    christians following jesus do not kill
  • FATEEN ImageBa... 2010/09/27 17:50:45
    FATEEN
    +1
    "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."

    - Samuel P. Huntington
  • ImageBa... FATEEN 2010/09/27 21:18:01
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +1
    the history books are written by the victors
  • FATEEN ImageBa... 2010/09/27 23:24:12
    FATEEN
    +2
    You are correct, yet does it make it right?
  • ImageBa... FATEEN 2010/09/28 00:50:01
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +2
    nooo didnt say it was right - it is just the sad truth - but the libs are rewriting the history books even now before they have won - the books are becoming part of the battle for the minds of the weak
  • FATEEN ImageBa... 2010/09/28 01:49:45
    FATEEN
    +2
    I'm not a political junkie and I stay clear of that field. No matter where you are in the world you have people who are attempting to influence their perspective of how they believe morality should be. The Muslims, the Christians, the Atheists, Political pundits, world leaders, scientists,homosexuals, parents, etc. everyone is trying to set their stage up to have an influence if not a bigger influence on the world, country, communities households, etc.

    It's not all terrible yet some if not most of it is and as you have stated I agree with you the victor the one who has the strongest military might, the best propaganda resources, are inevitably going to be the victors.
  • ImageBa... FATEEN 2010/09/28 02:28:28
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +1
    only too true
  • FATEEN ImageBa... 2010/09/28 06:49:45
    FATEEN
    +1
    You know what gets me? What kills sodahead so much? Is that there are way too many quacks here on sodahead. There are a lot of weirdo's on here. They get on sodahead, you know what? I think I got a question.

    What the hell is a sodahead?
  • ImageBa... FATEEN 2010/09/29 01:22:32
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    they changed the motto - it was more clear before when the motto was "whats bubbling in your head?"
  • FATEEN ImageBa... 2010/09/29 01:51:53
    FATEEN
    +1
    What's the motto now?
  • ImageBa... FATEEN 2010/09/29 01:59:28
    ImageBandit ~ American Patriot
    +1
    I dunno whats the motto witchew

    he he he

    no really it is "opinions...everybodys got one"
  • polo ImageBa... 2013/03/05 19:23:29
    polo
    Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)
    Even in the New Testament we read the following statements attributed to Jesus saying to his disciples:

    “I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

    "Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)
  • The Govenor 2010/09/13 02:49:13
  • FATEEN The Gov... 2010/09/26 16:20:30
    FATEEN
    +1
    Your statement is so biased and one sided. Yet you say who cares.
  • The Gov... FATEEN 2010/09/27 01:34:26
  • FATEEN The Gov... 2010/09/27 17:50:25
    FATEEN
    +1
    It doesn't hurt, Yet what I find disturbing is that you creating a misnomer that all Christians are helping, caring, loving and Muslims are an oppressive, killing terroristic machine.

    These where 9 men and yet 1.5 billion people the world over are being lamblasted by the acts of these ungodly individuals who have performed an act that is far from what Muslims are ordered to do. We went to sleep the night before this even having no knowledge of what occured and yet we where horrified when this event took place.

    I and many other human beings the world over share the sentements that you and countless others share. I was mortified when I saw those people who where hanging from the building and captivated with fear when a few subsequently plunged from those buildings to an inevitable death.

    Yet, it is utterly saddening that many of you on here and across the world do not want to hear that. Yes, there where Muslims who where cheering but all Muslims where not cheering.

    I cannot sit by and let the world think that Islam is a killing religion. It hurts me to see what radical people are doing in the name of Islam. These radicals are doing things that God is against. Muslims do not believe in violence.

    If the culprits are Muslim, they have twisted the teachings of Islam. Whoev...

    It doesn't hurt, Yet what I find disturbing is that you creating a misnomer that all Christians are helping, caring, loving and Muslims are an oppressive, killing terroristic machine.

    These where 9 men and yet 1.5 billion people the world over are being lamblasted by the acts of these ungodly individuals who have performed an act that is far from what Muslims are ordered to do. We went to sleep the night before this even having no knowledge of what occured and yet we where horrified when this event took place.

    I and many other human beings the world over share the sentements that you and countless others share. I was mortified when I saw those people who where hanging from the building and captivated with fear when a few subsequently plunged from those buildings to an inevitable death.

    Yet, it is utterly saddening that many of you on here and across the world do not want to hear that. Yes, there where Muslims who where cheering but all Muslims where not cheering.

    I cannot sit by and let the world think that Islam is a killing religion. It hurts me to see what radical people are doing in the name of Islam. These radicals are doing things that God is against. Muslims do not believe in violence.

    If the culprits are Muslim, they have twisted the teachings of Islam. Whoever performed, or is behind, the terrorist attacks in the United States of America does not represent Islam. God is not behind assassins. Anyone involved in this must pay for their evil.

    Hatred caused this tragedy and adding to the hatred that already exists in the world will not help. Instead, we should try to understand each other better.
    (more)
  • The Gov... FATEEN 2010/09/27 20:38:26
  • FATEEN The Gov... 2010/09/27 23:26:09
    FATEEN
    It's amazing how my reply didn't register anything to you at all. I'm not even looking to argue with you. It's so sad that many of you sodaheads whom I assumed where my fellow Americans act this way. Did you even read my response at all?

    Your not even responding to my above comment, your simply ranting.
  • The Gov... FATEEN 2010/09/28 01:03:22
  • FATEEN The Gov... 2010/11/22 23:42:19 (edited)
    FATEEN
    +1
    Masjid As-Sabur Las Vegas. I attend this masjid.




    Humanitarian Day Muslims helping non-Muslims. Your truly synical if you think that we humans don't care about other humans who are not Muslims. This is atrocious of you to think such.

    Sorry I'm late but it's sad that you think this way about us.
  • The Gov... FATEEN 2010/11/22 23:55:37
  • Atmara The Gov... 2011/02/06 19:36:52
    Atmara
    No... you and whatever the hell your BS religion is suck
  • The Gov... Atmara 2011/02/07 03:22:34
  • Atmara The Gov... 2011/02/06 19:42:57
  • Elephan... The Gov... 2012/01/15 05:30:32
    Elephant Lord
    What an intelligent statement. I like how you provided and analyzed facts to make a civil statement. You have me convinced that you are right (Well, maybe not).
  • The Gov... Elephan... 2012/01/15 05:36:10
  • Atmara FATEEN 2011/02/06 19:40:28
    Atmara
    That was beautiful Fateen. Blessings
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