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The beginning of the End in Indiana thanks to the new Right to work Laws

Gยเtคг Plคאєг ( JFK Democrat ) 2012/02/19 21:43:28
This is a bad deal for working Americans
Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
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Indiana after years of fighting to hurt what is left of the Union workforce, finally got the wrongly mislabeled Right to Work law passed. Well it didn't take long and it is already producing jobs in the State of Indiana, the question is, are these the jobs we are looking for? It used to be working at a factory meant, fair wages, health care, and a decent retirement package, well not any more. Many people warned this would happen and it only took a month for it to happen. This is something that started back in the Regan era by allowing companies to move to Mexico for lower wages to force lower wages on American workers so companies can get more profit. Now it is being done from state to state, if we can bust up the good paying Union jobs, we can drop the wages and benefits, this will cause a chain reaction forcing all companies that compete with each other to do the same. Soon we will have Rich and Poor throughout the United States. There are a few countries that operate this way, the biggest one being The Republic of China, Where Corporations control all the currency and everyone else is treated like shit, this is what i like to call sweat shop labor.
Recently only weeks after Indiana Republicans lied to all the voters of how great being a Right to Work state will be and how it will create an endless supply of jobs in our state, Caterpillar Corporation decided to move a factory to Muncie Indiana. Now don't get me wrong, the factory is moving back to the United States from Canada, but there is a problem and it is called wages. In Canada many people that earn a good income and Benefit packages are all going to be out of a job and 650 jobs are going to be created in Muncie with wages starting at a wopping $12.50 an hour income. I will do the math for you. $12.50 an hour times 40 hours = $500 minus $150 in taxes = $350 a week in pay. Really? The price of gas on its way to $4 a gallon, An average family spends around $3 to $400 every other week in groceries, $700 a month in rent or a house payment, not including utilities, cost of Education and everything else you have to pay to survive, and we get a Wopping $350 a week income? How does one survive on such pay. I guess it is back to manufactured housing for many people in the state of Indiana. When i hear people say that Republicans are to make the Rich, Richer and the Poor Poorer, they were not bullshiting. Wake up America, it is almost too late
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  • 56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA... 2012/02/19 23:35:03
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    56lady☆POTL JLA BTO-t- BCRA-F's
    +32
    GOOD for Indiana!!!!!! .....

    mr pollster ....
    don't tell me how good union jobs are ...
    let us go back to when RCA/Thompson made picture tubes in Marion,Indiana .....
    how many union workers were falsifying time .... Company wanted fired ...
    no they didn't get fired they got to keep their jobs plus the back pay for the year the slime were fighting with the union to get their jobs back!!!
    Good honest people that were my friends and family lost there jobs because the COMPANY HAD HAD ENOUGH .... THEY MOVED TO MEXICO!!!

    How many UNION jobs have been lost in ANDERSON ????

    How about KOKOMO???

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  • RageFury 2012/05/23 05:54:17 (edited)
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    RageFury
    Oh so a company that is moving back and that will provide jobs to some of the people who had none is now bad? Better they stay in Canada is what you think apparently.

    We wouldn't want the people to have those higher than minimum wage jobs and certainly don't want the state to have the tax revenue from the company and now some of the people, that the state previously did not have...



    My thought is now a few more people can try to survive on an income, where as previously they had none to survive on before. At least now they have a job and are not living on the dole or living completely on the dole. That and now the state will have more money help balance it's budget.

    Perhaps you are accustomed to looking a gift horse in the mouth, but I bet most of those new employees will be thankful they have something to help support themselves with.
  • Gยเtคг ... RageFury 2012/05/24 12:44:24
    Gยเtคг Plคאєг ( JFK Democrat )
    Yeah until they get that first paycheck and realize half of it will go to filling up the gas tank. Those wages in todays standards are non livable. So people are supposed to work their asses off to live in poverty. That is what is wrong with this country in the first place.
  • RageFury Gยเtคг ... 2012/05/25 16:27:30
    RageFury
    Guess your the type that wishes they still had no jobs and no income. Makes perfect sense. NOT.
  • Gยเtคг ... RageFury 2012/05/25 19:16:11
    Gยเtคг Plคאєг ( JFK Democrat )
    No i am the type that thinks my fellow Americans are worth more than poverty wages. So is that what we do now, Just except it and let corporate America walk all over us. Sorry, Not my way of life and i am better than that. Damn shame only 80% of the other Americans believe the same way I believe.
  • RageFury Gยเtคг ... 2012/06/05 18:44:48
    RageFury
    Sure you are. Your the type of person that sits on their butt and earns nothing, yet refuses to work at that McD's because the minimum wages are to low for you... You would rather suck the tit of the Tax payer than work, I get ya.
    Same theory here except they pay is better...

    Complain, complain, complain even when the job presented pays above minimum wage, because it is not good enough for you... Cry me a river.
    Sorry but people like you are a dime a dozen and not worth the red cent you are given. Instead of seeing this as a transition job and improving your situation you whine and cry as if the world owes you. Well it does NOT and the Company does NOT. The Company did NOT have to move back and they did NOT have to provide your state ANY jobs. Yet you complain when the Company clearly decided to spend the cash to move itself back and as a result provide thankless folks like yourself employment options. This is clearly the actions of a spoiled brat.

    Thing is your state now will get more jobs that the masses did not have and magically, we are supposed to believe this is bad?
    What, because they don't pay enough for spoiled little brats as employees?

    More people can help support themselves instead of living completely off the dole, more tax money will now be available from Income and...








    Sure you are. Your the type of person that sits on their butt and earns nothing, yet refuses to work at that McD's because the minimum wages are to low for you... You would rather suck the tit of the Tax payer than work, I get ya.
    Same theory here except they pay is better...

    Complain, complain, complain even when the job presented pays above minimum wage, because it is not good enough for you... Cry me a river.
    Sorry but people like you are a dime a dozen and not worth the red cent you are given. Instead of seeing this as a transition job and improving your situation you whine and cry as if the world owes you. Well it does NOT and the Company does NOT. The Company did NOT have to move back and they did NOT have to provide your state ANY jobs. Yet you complain when the Company clearly decided to spend the cash to move itself back and as a result provide thankless folks like yourself employment options. This is clearly the actions of a spoiled brat.

    Thing is your state now will get more jobs that the masses did not have and magically, we are supposed to believe this is bad?
    What, because they don't pay enough for spoiled little brats as employees?

    More people can help support themselves instead of living completely off the dole, more tax money will now be available from Income and Corporate taxes and you have the nerve to complain when others around the country are still unemployed? Are you serious?

    It is real simple:
    Less Companies = Less Tax Revenues
    Less Companies = Less Jobs
    Less Jobs = Less Tax Revenues
    Less Tax Revenues = Less Revenues to support the unemployed and those unable to completely support themselves...

    Of course you are always free to elect new Gov officials and repeal the Right to Work laws and send your new jobs back across the borders leaving yourselves with crap once again.
    Yea that sounds like a plan. Maybe they will come to my state and improve our economy so please do.
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  • mwg0735 2012/03/22 15:38:58
  • Aqua Surf BTO-t-BCRA-F 2012/03/22 15:33:53
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    Aqua Surf BTO-t-BCRA-F
    More money for workers to keep in their pockets. BOOYAH!!
  • FalconFlight 2012/03/22 03:38:26
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    FalconFlight
    I'm a union member, however the movement is as corrupt as the political party they support election after election. The majority of the membership are gov't employees who act like the Trade Unions of the Leftist Regimes...the shock troops...the enforcers for their gov't benefactors. Then you have the private sector unions, i.e. Service Employees Int'l Union (SEIU) who are the front organization for ACORN (voter fraud and intimidation) and are directly tied to the socialists and in particular Papa Doc Bararck. Even when Papa Doc stabbed the membership of the union rank and file, whom would have greatly benefited from the Keystone Pipeline project, they barely whispered dissent against Papa Doc's ideology over people decision.
  • mal 2012/03/21 12:17:02
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    mal
    +3
    Put an end to the corrupt unions and vote out obama in november.
  • U-Dog 2012/03/21 12:16:00
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    U-Dog
    +2
    "....allowing companies to move to Mexico for lower wages to FORCE lower wages on American workers so companies can get more profit."

    You have to laugh at the union thug mentality, they want to use political force to hold companies hostage which will bankrupt and kill them, and then they get upset and feel forced when they have to set their victims free. LOL!
  • ScoutLdr 2012/03/21 04:19:49
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    ScoutLdr
    +1
    Way to go Indiana! Break the grip of those Unions!
  • wtf 2012/02/25 01:57:51
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    wtf
    +3
    The time for unions has passed and they all need to be done away with.
  • Centurion~PWCM~JLA 2012/02/24 17:54:52
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    Centurion~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    I presently live in a union state.

    My wife and I have discussed moving to a right to work state, Arizona.

    This state seems to have way too many liberals concentrated in a few cities dictating to the rest of us.
  • Mike 2012/02/22 17:46:09
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    Mike
    +5
    3 things in the article I would like to point out. Canada is socialist benefits are provided by the government which are acquired through 50% tax wages start at 12.50 per hour which is the low end of the scale someone that makes 500.00 per week does not pay 150.00 in tax right to work
  • RageFury Mike 2012/05/23 05:56:45 (edited)
    RageFury
    +1
    Nice map, we in NH are trying to join the ranks of the Right to Work states but our filthy moronic Governor keeps getting in the way.

    Figured as much on the tax math I knew it couldn't be $150...
  • Mike RageFury 2012/05/23 13:15:04
    Mike
    +1
    That would be in the states best interest
  • BrianD3 2012/02/22 17:33:26
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    BrianD3
    +10
    dont need to move to Indiana, my state is already a right to work state!!

    unions can go suck eggs
  • gr8punkin 2012/02/22 15:28:27
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    gr8punkin
    +7
    Imagine that jobs coming back, with a realistic STARTING wage far above anything that a twenty year old with no college education could hope to see, and almost certainly the ability to move up from there. Good for Indiana, and if I was hurting for a job that would look pretty good to me.
  • JP 2012/02/22 14:48:33
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    JP
    +7
    The good workers will have a chance to make more and the poor workers will make less. I was working with a union crew as a roofer and I wasn't unionized. They needed the help and I needed the work in the summer. I made more than some of those guys because I was better at what I did. Plus I didn't have to pay dues.

    Business likes to make money. As long as we have competition, the better workers will have a chance to do better as business that is successful is always seeking an edge and they will pay for talent!
  • Arel 2012/02/22 13:23:11
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    Arel
    +8
    No one should have to join a union to obtain employment. I am all for the Right to Work Law.
  • MichaelDillon 2012/02/22 13:00:34
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    MichaelDillon
    +7
    Unions as we know them are dinosaurs.
  • USAF Vet 2012/02/22 07:35:50
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    USAF Vet
    +8
    No amount of money, benefits, health care, rewards, free childcare, free this, free that, will satisfy the greedy Unions; Unions can’t survive without the corporation, am I wrong? If the corporation’s production costs, quarter after quarter, year after year are in the RED, assessments are implemented to either; keep the corporation viable (which includes assessing Union activity in the corporation), file under Chapter 11 or move offshore.
  • BrianD3 USAF Vet 2012/02/22 17:35:09
    BrianD3
    +4
    that is a fact, they ran out of REASONABLE things to ask for decades ago, now (without shame) they continue to ask for the unreasonable
  • Arinn 2012/02/22 05:33:59
    This is a bad deal for working Americans
    Arinn
    +2
    why do people always want the easy way out?
  • Chokmah 2012/02/22 05:25:40
    This is a bad deal for working Americans
    Chokmah
    +5
    Obama and the Democrat's energy policies will bankrupt the working class faster.....
  • Someone Else 2012/02/22 04:56:55
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    Someone Else
    +5
    Colorado is a right to work state although some prefer to work for the Unions here as well we have both but only a few require union fellowship mostly in the commercial construction fields. And a few Cop shops
  • cynsity 2012/02/22 04:51:28
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    cynsity
    +10
    lets get a grip...
    FIRST off NO one goes into any business to go broke everyone goes into business to make money and hopefully make more money than they have brains.... there is NOTHING evil about profits

    SECOND Jobs are taken to make wages. if you are inexperenced low skills and lacking work ethic you do NOT deserve to be paid as if you have a masters degree in engineering and 15 years experence. Be happy you were given a job and you are making money even if its $3 an hour and know the more you work the more you apply yourself and the more experence you gain the more opertunity you have to start getting paid $25 an hour

    THIRD the word in case you forgot is BENEFITS and a benefit is not something you just get its something you earn you earn it with time, experence and if you get any benefits you better be thankful because your benefits often mean someone else is not hired at all.

    And finially unions do nothing but drive up the price of the consumer goods they make because their costs for all their demands which are NOT rights but BENEFITS are passed on to the people who most need to buy the good being made.

    Once apon a time unions served a purpose. Today they are nothing buy money stealling ungreatful power hungry political hacks and they need to be stopped and people ...

    lets get a grip...
    FIRST off NO one goes into any business to go broke everyone goes into business to make money and hopefully make more money than they have brains.... there is NOTHING evil about profits

    SECOND Jobs are taken to make wages. if you are inexperenced low skills and lacking work ethic you do NOT deserve to be paid as if you have a masters degree in engineering and 15 years experence. Be happy you were given a job and you are making money even if its $3 an hour and know the more you work the more you apply yourself and the more experence you gain the more opertunity you have to start getting paid $25 an hour

    THIRD the word in case you forgot is BENEFITS and a benefit is not something you just get its something you earn you earn it with time, experence and if you get any benefits you better be thankful because your benefits often mean someone else is not hired at all.

    And finially unions do nothing but drive up the price of the consumer goods they make because their costs for all their demands which are NOT rights but BENEFITS are passed on to the people who most need to buy the good being made.

    Once apon a time unions served a purpose. Today they are nothing buy money stealling ungreatful power hungry political hacks and they need to be stopped and people need to stop celebrating tem and start celebrating any person who will take a chance and hire someone to do work at the price they can pay.

    Sorry unions I am NOT willing to pay some snot nose pimple faced kid $10 an hour to flip a burger and that is what unions are trying to do.
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  • wtw 2012/02/22 04:38:30 (edited)
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    wtw
    +9
    Well shazam! Of course companies want to go where unions don't restrict who can do what and what you have to pay. Unions only add cost and give no benefits. I would rather have a job than no job??
  • ☆Ed☆ 2012/02/22 04:33:39
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    ☆Ed☆
    +5
    When Samuel Gompers founded the American Federation of Labor (AFL), the labor unions were DESPERATELY needed!!!

    HOWEVER, the unions have become nothing more than ruthless LIARS, THIEVES, SCALAWAGS, and SCOUNDRELS, doing ONLY what is in the union leaders' best interest, and completely unconcerned about their members!!!
  • BrianD3 ☆Ed☆ 2012/02/22 17:36:16
    BrianD3
    +6
    unions= institutionalized extortion
  • ☆Ed☆ BrianD3 2012/02/23 04:30:46
    ☆Ed☆
    +3
    EXACTLY!!!
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/02/22 04:19:36
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +9
    Less than $30/man hour for a Toyota, just under $80 for a comparable GM product.

    And who had to bail out GM?
  • ☆Ed☆ jubil8 ... 2012/02/22 04:58:49
    ☆Ed☆
    +7
    You bet!!! And, we American taxpayers bail out a company that is now more than 50% owned by Italy (Fiat).
  • RED DAWN ☆Ed☆ 2012/03/21 14:25:52
  • DJL 2012/02/22 04:12:11
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    DJL
    +6
    If you want to see how great unions are just look at the Post Office. Every state should pass this law.
  • BrianD3 DJL 2012/02/22 17:36:58
    BrianD3
    +3
    the post office is a perfect example of why we should NOT have socialized health care
  • CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/02/22 00:52:16
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +9
    Unions are obsolete. Everything they used to fight for is now covered by state and federal law. All they care about today is political power through money. I was in the Teamsters for 14 years. They are thugs. right to work right to work states
  • SimpleAmerican BN-0 2012/02/21 19:49:27
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    SimpleAmerican BN-0
    +6
    That's awesome!!! Look at what the Obama administration tried to do in South Carolina, blocking Boeings move to the state because it is a Right To Work State... We should be a right to work country!
  • CMackle... SimpleA... 2012/02/22 00:42:33
    CMackley ~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +6
    And then Obama tried to take credit for that same plant in a speech last week about job creation. Pathetic
  • rightside 2012/02/21 19:10:52
    Hell yes, where do i sign up. Hey honey we are moving to Indiana
    rightside
    +6
    Kaiser Aluminum was union. They got so job specific that they had people sitting around for hours doing nothing until their job was ready to work on again. They would set the machine and sit around until it was time to set it again.
    The union convinced them to go on strike and Kaiser waited them out and they all lost their jobs.
    Unions could be good if they stuck to what they were originally there for. But alas, they just couldn't keep their hands out of the cookie jar.
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