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The "Anybody but Bush" crowd had to choose between being misrepresented and not being represented at all. What if in the 2004 presidential election, you had been given the option of a negative vote? How would you have voted?

TechnoZeus April 23, 2008 18:24:25

For those who would like the chance to express a negative vote, here's your chance. Simply subtract the votes against a presidential candidate from the votes for the candidate. The highest net-vote count is the winner!

If like this poll, you may also want to try the dual-vote year 2000 presidential election poll...
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  • +11 / -1 raves Lou April 23, 2008 18:31:03
    Lou

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    I HAVE MY CONCIENCE CLEAN... I VOTED AGAISNT DUMBAYA BUSH.
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  • m.c. gee gee 5 days ago
    m.c. gee gee

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    De-elect Chimpy!
  • TechnoZeus m.c. ge... 5 days ago
    TechnoZeus
    Yeah, if only we could have. Fortunately we at least had term limits on our side.
  • Bill November 10, 2009 01:40:51
    Bill

    Undecided

    but if Democrats stay their course I'll never vote Democrat again
  • TechnoZeus Bill 5 days ago
    TechnoZeus
    And I respect that. It's your right, afterall... but if you really feel that badly about the way you percieve what they are doing, wouldn't it be nice if you had the option to actually vote directly AGAINST them some day just in case you're not to happy with the other major party's option either? Might encourage them to give you some better choices... and give other parties an incentive to actually try hard to offer you some good choices as well.
  • Marie November 09, 2009 16:39:00
    Marie

    John Kerry (Democratic party) with running mate John Edwards

    I am beginning to think that an honest person dosen't want to run for pres. I didn't vote for Bush. I did vote for Oboma and wish that I had my vote back. Right now I am so dissapointed with the political bunch that I may never vote again. They all seem to be power hungry sex perverts.
  • TechnoZeus Marie 5 days ago (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    Unfortunately, Obama's hands were pretty much tied from the start... but I'm sure he'll do better than the alternatives that would have been chosen from if he had not run. Try to talk him into getting you the right to vote against someone and you'll have a solid reason to vote again. That's what I was trying to do when I decided to help him win the Presidency... because I could see no other way to spare the lives that would otherwise have been lost in the world war we would have been in by now.
  • whatsatobe November 09, 2009 16:27:27
    whatsatobe

    John Kerry (Democratic party) with running mate John Edwards

    The "anybody but..." rationalization most certainly shows a very weak mind of the orator.
  • TechnoZeus whatsatobe 5 days ago
    TechnoZeus
    I respect your opinion... but I also know the math.
  • Teach November 09, 2009 14:45:56
    Teach

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    It will take us another 30 years to recover from Bush's administration. Our country owes him a great debt--we should put him in front of a firing squad or just send him to Afghanistan. If he worked as hard at "improving" their country as he did ours, we should see their total collapse within a couple of years!!!!!
  • TechnoZeus Teach 5 days ago
    TechnoZeus
    No kidding. *sigh*
  • skroehr July 29, 2009 22:09:47
    skroehr

    None of the above

    I would have written in Chuck Baldwin, the person I positively voted for in reality. I believe I understand the negative vote thing. It just doesn't appeal to me. I don't know how much of a demographic I represent, but I'm sure it's quite inconsequential to your process.
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    TechnoZeus skroehr November 09, 2009 12:50:49
    TechnoZeus
    Actually, people who think like you would benefit the most, in terms of their voting power. Right now, their true positive votes are squelched by the overabundance of false positive votes and the fact that a candidate being well known does more for their chances than being worth having, even if they are the worst possible choices. The option of a negative vote would remove most of those false positives and replace them with a reduction in the power of simply being well known.
  • Bart September 20, 2008 06:16:55
    Bart

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    I like it! Cool poll! Thanks for the insight into what went wrong BEFORE the cheating in 2004!
  • TechnoZeus Bart September 22, 2008 13:38:25
    TechnoZeus
    You're welcome. Sorry I didn't get manage to get this electoral reform through in time and prevent it altogether.
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    Auntie Samantha July 24, 2008 23:20:34
    Auntie Samantha

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    I wish we could have done this on the REAL election! Is Barack Obama supporting this idea? I can hardly believe I've never heard of it before! WOW! We should have had this since the 1700's!

    I actually get to vote against George W. Bush without having to help a candidate I don't want get farther ahead of all the little political parties out there! This is great!

    ive heard wow 1700s vote george bush candidate political parties
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    TechnoZeus Auntie ... September 01, 2008 14:22:45
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks for your vote. Here are the results so far, as of this time...

    15 net votes for John Kerry (Democratic party) with running mate John Edwards (16 - 1 = 15)

    2 net votes for Ralph Nader (Independent, Reform party) with running mate Peter Camejo (3 - 1 = 2)

    1 vote for Michael Badnarik (Libertarian party) with running mate Richard Campagna

    1 split write-in vote for Donald Duck and Pluto

    0 votes for or against Walt Brown (Socialist party) with running mate Mary Alice Herbert

    0 votes for or against David Cobb (Green party) with running mate Pat LaMarche

    0 votes for or against Michael Peroutka (Constitution party) with running mate Chuck Baldwin

    38 net votes AGAINST George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (8 - 46 = -38. Negative net vote count.)

    (1 vote for All of the above)

    (1 undecided)

    ~10am, September 1st, 2008
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    Bee May 28, 2008 02:21:16
    Bee

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    ABB!!!
  • TechnoZeus Bee September 01, 2008 14:23:08
    TechnoZeus
    Thanks Bee. :)
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    Radlad May 24, 2008 12:33:57
    Radlad

    John Kerry (Democratic party) with running mate John Edwards

    The reason I picked lurch is this. boy george spent the entire year of 2006 doing everything he could to ensure a dimocrap sweep of the house and senate. As I see it. If lurch had won, the gop would have gained seats in the house and senate. Then we would not have to put up with nancy's and the rest of the dimocraps bovine excrement.......................
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    TechnoZeus Radlad May 24, 2008 21:55:48
    TechnoZeus
    Strange terminology... but I get the gist of it. :)

    Thanks for the vote, and the comment.
  • Smokey May 19, 2008 19:24:38
    Smokey

    None of the above

    I believe in our political process and anything short of that, I do not agree with. Getting President Bush in the office for the second time, is like getting a Christmas present from your Mother or Father that you can't take back. :)
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    TechnoZeus Smokey May 21, 2008 02:57:42 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    I'm lucky, I guess. I wasn't born with parents who had the capacity to do something that cruel.

    Anyway, keep in mind that the government of the United States of America was founded on concepts such as liberty, freedom of speech, and the right to do something about it when we see room for improvement in our government... that's what made it great. It's also what will make it great again.
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    Smokey TechnoZeus May 21, 2008 14:24:58
    Smokey
    Very, very, very good point. Tell me something. Do you think we Americans of today whine more than our previous generations?
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    TechnoZeus Smokey May 21, 2008 17:05:10 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    I highly doubt it, but I think that thanks to improved communications technology we hear each other whine more. :) Seriously though, people will always complain. It's in our nature to want things to be better than they are. As Barack Obama pointed out about the United States of America; "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." I think the same has always been true of life in general. THe quality of life will always have leave room for improvement, no matter how good it gets. That's why it will always be to our advantage to wish for it to be better. The trick is to do something about it besides JUST whining. :)



    http://www.barackobama.com/20...
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    Smokey TechnoZeus May 21, 2008 17:16:29
    Smokey
    For a Barack supporter, you really have good common sense. :) I'm only kidding.

    Do you think that Barack will not face much opposition in trying to "Change" and move in another direction?
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    TechnoZeus Smokey May 22, 2008 00:44:55
    TechnoZeus
    Of course he will face opposition. That's why he is calling on the American people to stand behind him and help ourselves to get it done. He'll do his part, but it will be up to us to stand up in sufficient numbers to keep the opposition from winning. This is why he's able to be so calm in the face of all the lies and rumors... because either he will succede and so will we, or he will not and neither will we. This is our fight. He's just on our side and really good at uniting the people for a common cause. :)
  • Smokey TechnoZeus May 22, 2008 12:26:16
    Smokey
    Tech,

    I was listenning to the "Michael Baisden Show, WHUR 96.3 Washington D.C.," yesterday, and I heard some callers say that Barack Obama will not win the Presidency because States like, Penn., Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia and a cast of other Blue Collar States will not vote for him because the color of his skin.

    Do you agree?
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    TechnoZeus Smokey May 22, 2008 17:45:33 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    Absolutely not. Yes, there are individuals who will refuse to vote for him for that reason, and other individuals who will refuse to vote for him for other reasons, such as the rumors they've heard. There are also individuals who will refuse to vote for either of the other two candidates for various reasons... but states don't vote. People do.

    As people get to know him, they learn to get over such nonsense. Hillary Clinton and John McCain both have the advantage that most of the people already had a already placed a positive label on them in their minds before their presidential candidacy started. Barack Obama has done a great job in the U.S. Senate, and in the Illinois Senate before that. He also did a great job defending people's rights, helping to create jobs, teaching law, and much more before that... but he wasn't in the "spot light" so now people think he's come out of nowhere... and they need time to get to know him.
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    Smokey TechnoZeus May 22, 2008 20:00:40
    Smokey
    I may not agree with you 100% politically, but I agree 100% how you think. I wish there were MORE people like yourself in our country!

    Thanks very much for your comments!
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    TechnoZeus Smokey May 23, 2008 00:54:16
    TechnoZeus
    Then help me to get a leader into the presidency who does also... because our country could do well with such an example at the helm. :)
  • Bart Smokey September 20, 2008 06:21:38
    Bart
    Interesting dialog. Thanks. Rather enlightening.
  • TechnoZeus Bart September 22, 2008 13:38:57
    TechnoZeus
    Glad you like it. :)
  • Radlad TechnoZeus May 25, 2008 04:56:28
    Radlad
    Not trying to sound like a smart-alic or trying to start something here. What is this change he keeps talking about? Do you know? What change? Change to what? Are you thinking the same kinda change? I don't believe you are gonna like the change.................

    Tech, something you need to understand. obummer er I mean obama is a politician. He ain't on your side. He is for him and the dimocrap party. Just look at the elpresidente wannabe juan mclamos. In 2000 and in '04 I considered boy george to be the lesser of two evils. I believe I was wrong. It's too bad "lurch" didn't win in '04. Cause the gop would probably still control both houses of congress.............If I had known how hell bent dubya is in turning America into nothing more than mexico's northern province. I'd never had voted for him. This is why I will not vote for mcclame. And ol' berry has not enough experience to hold the office he's running for. I will concede that considering the last couple of presidents. Is experience really a plus or necessary? I must point out that berry does not remain calm, cool, and in control. Just look at not only his but the entire liberal dimocrap party in response to bush's statement about appeasers in Israel. If the shoe fits ware it. They all put their foot in the shoe.
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    TechnoZeus Radlad May 25, 2008 06:30:24
    TechnoZeus
    You really want to know what kind of change? Try this web address to get an idea of what he has in mind...

    The topics covered include: ETHICS, HEALTH CARE, ECONOMY, Seniors, Education, Energy, Fiscal, RURAL, WOMEN, Immigration, Poverty, SERVICE, Civil RIGHTs, Foreign Policy, and Veterans.

    If you bother to notice, by the way, he has already changed the way the election process takes place. He has run a clean campaign that will raise the bar of what the American people will accept from a politician. This is also not the only change he has already made. Check his record. Parts of it are mentioned in the Blueprint for Change. His supporters aren't for him because of his personality... although it's a plus. They're for him and his plans because they have looked over the choices carefully and see that people who think like you do are in error. You can put party loyalty ahead of what's good for our country if you want, and so do some of the Democrats who are supporting either Hillary or Obama as the "most likely to win" but the true Obama supporters refuse to put petty politics ahead of what's good and what's right. We simply won't do it.
  • Radlad TechnoZeus May 25, 2008 08:18:35
    Radlad
    You said try this web address. But ya' didn't give me one. Unless you're talking about his election office address. I was just getting ready to crash and burn here. So I'm speaking before checking out the web site. So just on the surface of what I've heard him say. He sounds like a Marxist. I'm sorry but that's how he comes across to me. Remember I haven't checked out that website yet. I hope you realize that bringing up some body's record is not mud slinging or running a dirty campaign When old john edwards was in the running. He brought this point up on the voting record of obama in the senate. That he didn't do a lotta voting. He would say "Present" but rarely yea or nay. so there would be no trail. By the way, edwards got a real good applause on that line. Personally I think like bill clinton in '92 the so-called press is really giving him a pass. There's that and I also believe what he's got going for him is an awful lot of white folks on a very serious guilt trip. Dig it, some woman calls up a talk show in a tizzy cause she doesn't know who to vote for. hilary or obama. Her dilemma is one's a woman the other is black. Here's a lib that her only consideration is the sex of one and the skin color of the other. We know there are more people that are basing their vote on tho...

    You said try this web address. But ya' didn't give me one. Unless you're talking about his election office address. I was just getting ready to crash and burn here. So I'm speaking before checking out the web site. So just on the surface of what I've heard him say. He sounds like a Marxist. I'm sorry but that's how he comes across to me. Remember I haven't checked out that website yet. I hope you realize that bringing up some body's record is not mud slinging or running a dirty campaign When old john edwards was in the running. He brought this point up on the voting record of obama in the senate. That he didn't do a lotta voting. He would say "Present" but rarely yea or nay. so there would be no trail. By the way, edwards got a real good applause on that line. Personally I think like bill clinton in '92 the so-called press is really giving him a pass. There's that and I also believe what he's got going for him is an awful lot of white folks on a very serious guilt trip. Dig it, some woman calls up a talk show in a tizzy cause she doesn't know who to vote for. hilary or obama. Her dilemma is one's a woman the other is black. Here's a lib that her only consideration is the sex of one and the skin color of the other. We know there are more people that are basing their vote on those two things. I really hope it ain't alot more. But a lotta white people are on a guilt trip for some reason. I understand his wife isn't running for anything. Thankfully. That woman sounds like she soaked up the reverend wrights sermons of the last 20 years. She sounds like she got a lot of hate and anger. He oughta keep her sidelined. Like I said he's a politician. Which means he ain't gonna be honest. Like when he was in Pennsylvania. He was pro second amendment. Once back in the liberal zones it;s "I'm all for getting the guns outta the hands of American citizens." I know as well as you he didn't come right out and say that. But I'd wager that's what he believes..

    I'll get back to ya' later after visiting that web site. Get some more info...............
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    TechnoZeus Radlad May 25, 2008 13:02:23
    TechnoZeus
    Sorry... did a copy and paste, and I guess it didn't take. I hadn't noticed.

    Here you go...

    http://www.barackobama.com/pd...

    Again, I apologize for the lack of the link where I had intended to include it.

    Don't worry. I actually appreciate the way you are acknowledging that such information may have been slanted for before being presented to you... or some of it possibly straight out false. I'll let you decide for yourself.

    I do want to comment though on the "present" votes. Just like there are times in here when a person may vote "None of the Above" because it is the best representation of their position, sometimes in the senate neither a Yes or No vote will completely represent a person's stance on an issue. For example, if Barack Obama agreed with parts of something that was being voted on in the Illinois state senate, voting "Yes" on it would have potentially helped it go through as-is including the parts that he disagreed with. Voting "No" would have indicated that he disagreed with the concept of it or felt that it was so far off the mark as to be irreparable. By voting Present, he was voting for change... asking that modifications be considered rather than accepting the proposal as-is or rejecting it altogether. I'm not certain that each of the other candidate...



    Sorry... did a copy and paste, and I guess it didn't take. I hadn't noticed.

    Here you go...

    http://www.barackobama.com/pd...

    Again, I apologize for the lack of the link where I had intended to include it.

    Don't worry. I actually appreciate the way you are acknowledging that such information may have been slanted for before being presented to you... or some of it possibly straight out false. I'll let you decide for yourself.

    I do want to comment though on the "present" votes. Just like there are times in here when a person may vote "None of the Above" because it is the best representation of their position, sometimes in the senate neither a Yes or No vote will completely represent a person's stance on an issue. For example, if Barack Obama agreed with parts of something that was being voted on in the Illinois state senate, voting "Yes" on it would have potentially helped it go through as-is including the parts that he disagreed with. Voting "No" would have indicated that he disagreed with the concept of it or felt that it was so far off the mark as to be irreparable. By voting Present, he was voting for change... asking that modifications be considered rather than accepting the proposal as-is or rejecting it altogether. I'm not certain that each of the other candidates knows this, but it would surprise me if any of them didn't.

    As for the press, look at some of the earlier coverage and you will see that they favored Hillary Clinton and John McCain from the start, but as time went on they first started to talk about Barack Obama as if he were a rock star type personality with too much popularity and no substance, but as they learned more about him the positions of even the strongest Hillary Clinton and John McCain supporters have shifted drastically toward Barack Obama because they have found that the substance is the REASON behind the popularity.

    Anyway... I hope that link helps, and thanks for your patience.
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  • TechnoZeus Radlad July 03, 2009 02:48:53
    TechnoZeus
    Looks like he's doing okay so far. Lots of mess to clean up, so of course it's taking some time... but he's getting it done.
  • Radlad TechnoZeus July 03, 2009 04:04:10
    Radlad
    Hey, welcome back! Ain't heard from ya' for a while. How ya' been?

    I'll agree things don't turn on a dime and it will take some time. I'd also agree "he's getting it done" But what I fear is what he's getting done ain't what you voted for him to do...................
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    Nina ~COB~Yes We Did May 19, 2008 18:17:19
    Nina ~COB~Yes We Did

    Anybody but George W. Bush (Republican party) with running mate Richard Cheney (negative vote)

    Very late on the poll, but here it is. Great concept but is there any way to make the "power that be" listen? I'm a Floridian, and at this point, I don't see anybody listening to voters.
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    TechnoZeus Nina ~C... May 21, 2008 03:34:40 (edited)
    TechnoZeus
    I think Barack Obama would listen... if enough people bring it to the attention of people who have the possibility of getting a message through to him. That's the trick... getting enough people to try. As he has said... "Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices, calling for change"... and as he has also pointed out, "One voice can change a room. And if one voice can change a room, then it can change a city. And if it can change a city, then it can change a state. And if it can change a state, then it can change a nation. And if it can change a nation, then it can change the world."

    Care to be that one voice?





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