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The All Time Right Wing Lie; Cutting Taxes For The Wealthy Generates Faster Economic Growth.

Manuel 2012/09/18 17:27:57
Cutting taxes for the wealthy does not generate faster economic growth, according to a new and accurate report. But those tax cuts do is widen the income gap between the rich and the rest, according to this new report.

A study from the Congressional Research Service -- the non-partisan research office for Congress -- shows that "there is on real evidence over the past 65 years that tax cuts for the highest earners are associated with savings, investment or productivity growth."

In fact, the study found that higher tax rates for the wealthy are statistically associated with higher levels of growth. if you tax the rich more this is what causes job growth because they have to get out there a hustle up more jobs to make up the difference. If they get a tax break then the middle class and poor are taxed higher and lose more while the rich take it easy and get more for being lazy.

The finding is likely to fuel to the already bitter political fight over taxing the rich, with President Obama and the Democrats calling for higher taxes on the wealthy to reduce the deficit and fund spending. Mitt Romney and the GOP advocate lower marginal tax rates for top earners, saying they fuel investment and job creation.

The CRS study looked at tax rates and economic growth since 1945. The top tax rate in 1945 was above 90 percent, and fell to 70 percent in the 1960s and to a low of 28 percent in 1986 ( the Reagan years of trickled down Reaganomics).
The top current rate is 35 percent. The tax rate for capital gains was 25 percent in the 1940s and 1950s, then went up to 35 percent in the 1970s, before coming down to 15 percent today - the lowest rate in more than 65 years. ( this is the only thing that trickled down)

Lowering these rates for the wealthy, the study found, isn't aligned with significant improvement in any of the areas it examined. Pushing tax rates down had a "negligible effect" on private saving, and while it does note a relationship between investing and capital gains rates, the correlations "are not statistically significant," the study says.

"Top tax rates," it concludes, "do not necessarily have a demonstrably significant relationship with investment."

The study said that lower marginal rates have a "slight positive effect" on productivity while lower capital gains rates have a " negative association" with productivity. But, again, neither effect was considered statistically significant.

Do higher taxes on the rich lead to faster economic growth? No. The paper says that while growth accelerated with higher taxes on the rich, the relationship is "not strong" and may be "coincidental," since broader economic factors may be responsible for that growth.

There is one part of the economy, however, that is changed by tax cuts for the rich: inequality. The study says that the biggest change in the distribution of U.S. income has been with the top 0.1 percent of earners - not the one percent.
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  • JimTheGeek 2012/10/08 15:22:24
    JimTheGeek
    Well duh! It's the middle class that drives the economy. When they get more money, they tend to spend most of it and save a little. It's this middle class spending that creates jobs, that increase the middle class, that spends more, that creates more jobs, etc.
  • carlton999 2012/09/27 11:08:42
    carlton999
    "Trickle down economics" is a tired theory that I became aware of upon reaching voting age when Regan ran for President. It didn't work then and has more than proved that it will never work.
  • foy49 2012/09/23 19:22:41
  • charles nelson 2012/09/19 23:53:01
    charles nelson
    +1
    I knew that because I have a son with an economic degree.
  • D.C. Willis 2012/09/19 18:01:57
  • Raymond Allamby 2012/09/19 17:27:09
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    trickle down
    there's your trickle down for ya.
  • Raymond Allamby 2012/09/19 17:19:42
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    and after being proven wrong by decades of evidence, our economy in the toilet, and being told it's a lie by millions of reasonable people, the right wing base still believes it. maybe if we rig up a burning bush or something. maybe?
  • Manuel Raymond... 2012/09/22 00:51:07
    Manuel
    even if a burning bush told the right wing people they were wrong...they would throw water on it.... http://www.reverendfun.com/ad...
  • Odinsown 2012/09/19 17:14:12
    Odinsown
    +3
    Lie of the millennium, we need government.
  • Raymond... Odinsown 2012/09/19 17:24:49
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    true, because everyone can afford to pay for police protection, fire departments, and the military, right? oh, and when every road in existence becomes a toll road, that'll be great too, right?
  • Odinsown Raymond... 2012/09/19 20:11:32
    Odinsown
    +2
    I'm a free-market anarchist so my answers are without governments we don't need a military, if you are armed and willing to defend yourself, your family, and your community you don't need police,band yes toll roads are a good thing.
  • Raymond... Odinsown 2012/09/19 21:17:25 (edited)
    Raymond Allamby
    +2
    proving beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're insane. i'd love to see you shoot down a russian, or chinese nuclear warhead. i also wanna see you defend yourself against a heavily armed gang of criminals, that descend on your home. if you really believed that bs you're spewing, you'd have already move to somalia.
  • Odinsown Raymond... 2012/09/19 21:46:41
    Odinsown
    +3
    You bring up some interesting points. First off I said "governments" plural as in all. Without ANY GOVERNMENTS you don't have war, fights and skirmishes sure, all out war? Nope. Secondly heavily armed gangs typically only exist in areas where they can take advantage of the lack of response, or slow response, of police, they do not typically attack homes and people who readily shoot back. Lastly Somalia is not in a state of anarchy, it is in a state of chaos, there is a difference. Somalia is a place where many leaders are fighting for power by displaying a monopoly of force. If it were an anarchy there would be no one person or group of people attempting to control anyone else. Any questions?
  • Raymond... Odinsown 2012/09/20 04:05:06
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    granted, you did say governments, but how do you propose to eliminate ALL GOVERNMENTS? furthermore, as proven throughout history, without any constraints to limit it, the strong ALWAYS victimize the weak. also, your thinking is completely wrong about how gangs think. as long as they perceive an advantage, they will strike. be it numerical, or firepower, or both, any advantage will spur them on. history tells us that too.
    anarchy
    as you see in the highlighted section, there is a a more sinister definition to anarchy than the one you seem to rely on. i would submit to you, with history as my witness, that when applied to a society, anarchy is nearly synonymous with chaos.
  • Odinsown Raymond... 2012/09/20 04:19:12
    Odinsown
    +2
    There are more sinister definitions, I am however speaking of the political ideology of free-market anarchy, which is based on the non-aggression principle.

    I do not have a proposal to eliminate all governments, I am of the opinion that while i can encourage a peaceful anarchy, it isn't something that can happen over night, anarchy by violent over throw of current governments will either end up in a state of chaos like somalia, or in a series of dictatorships. I believe that anarchy is an evolutionary phase in society, throughout history we go through periods of tyranny but we have been heading towards prosperity and freedom as a general rule, eventually that will lead to a society without borders, or a state.

    The advantage you speak of is most commonly the reliance on someone else to protect you. for instance I grew up in a town of about 80,000 people, not huge but not small, we had "gangs" but we were a safe town not because of our police, but because 2 out of 5 people carried fire arms and would use them to defend those around them. The gangs at any point could have outnumbered the armed people in most groups(obviously not at the gun club) but they didn't attack people unless they had the clear advantage of being the only armed people in the area.

    That being said I would gla...


    There are more sinister definitions, I am however speaking of the political ideology of free-market anarchy, which is based on the non-aggression principle.

    I do not have a proposal to eliminate all governments, I am of the opinion that while i can encourage a peaceful anarchy, it isn't something that can happen over night, anarchy by violent over throw of current governments will either end up in a state of chaos like somalia, or in a series of dictatorships. I believe that anarchy is an evolutionary phase in society, throughout history we go through periods of tyranny but we have been heading towards prosperity and freedom as a general rule, eventually that will lead to a society without borders, or a state.

    The advantage you speak of is most commonly the reliance on someone else to protect you. for instance I grew up in a town of about 80,000 people, not huge but not small, we had "gangs" but we were a safe town not because of our police, but because 2 out of 5 people carried fire arms and would use them to defend those around them. The gangs at any point could have outnumbered the armed people in most groups(obviously not at the gun club) but they didn't attack people unless they had the clear advantage of being the only armed people in the area.

    That being said I would gladly trade state provided security for freedom, you cannot have on with the other. The more safe you want the government to make you, the less free you become.


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  • Raymond... Odinsown 2012/09/20 05:37:16
    Raymond Allamby
    +1
    the we have to agree to disagree. one last point, is that government is also responsible for many of the advancements we have, and had religion not interfered, we would be a thousand year or more advanced. actually, 2 last points. the last is that community always will seek a leader, or a leader will evolve from strength, or intelligence. think of the first communities of this world.
  • Odinsown Raymond... 2012/09/20 06:43:52
    Odinsown
    +3
    I am ok with agreeing to disagree. To address your last points, you are absolutely right religion has caused the loss of at least a thousand years of cultural and scientific advancement, and yes there have been advancement brought by government, to deny that would be, well dumb. You are probably right that there will always be leaders, small l, my stance is that we don't need any one, or any group to force anyone else to live by a proscribed code. If people voluntarily live under the guidance of someone else, I have no problem with that. I personally would not surrender myself to the authority of another if I was given the choice. There was a quote on a YouTube show called anarchast I think it was "under anarcho-communism there is no room for anarcho-capitalism, but under anarcho-capitalism(free market anarchy) you can buy property and live under any set of rules you like." Basically under my ideology you are free to live however you like, as long as I am afforded that same freedom.
  • Raymond... Odinsown 2012/09/20 13:52:51
    Raymond Allamby
    such total freedom, no matter what benign intent with which it was entered into, would inevitably lead to the baser human instincts taking hold. you might be able to make it work, if you had a few hundred years to indoctrinate everyone to that level of peaceful freedom, but the society would be short lived, as the baser instincts are needed to drive us to excel, and to make the hard choices. drive them into extinction, and you doom the society by complacency. ultimately, it might be a good thought exercise, but it will never come to be a viable method of living.
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/21 03:37:34
    Joyce Brand
    +3
    So you think the people who gain a monopoly on the legalized initiation of violence don't have any of those "baser human instincts?" The ones with the basest of human instincts are the ones who are most drawn to the power of government. Those people have had hundreds of years to indoctrinate everyone to accept violence as a means of solving social problems. Yet most human beings instinctively recoil from using violence against other human beings. There are a small percentage of people who are natural born psychopaths who are willing to kill, but most killers (i.e. soldiers and police) have to be trained to ignore their consciences for some "greater cause" before they are willing to harm others. They have to believe that they are "defending" something rather than aggressing against their victims.
  • Raymond... Joyce B... 2012/09/21 06:45:37 (edited)
    Raymond Allamby
    generally, that might hold true, but unless you can eliminate the psychopaths, you will always have that extreme potential for violence. also, you would have to eliminate all religion, because it is a big part of the violence control mechanism. (that's something i advocate for totally.) actually, i see a potential path to a completely free society through knowledge. when we all learn our potential, to be greater than we are, dependence on government will lessen. it's a natural progression of an informed, and literate society, something we don't have yet. fear and ignorance rule the day, and violence is the main result. but though government will lessen, i don't feel we can do totally without it. there has to be some mechanism to administer the commons. can't have anyone hoarding land, or water, or air. also, we need to collectively make choices the affect everyone, and it would be nearly impossible to have the many millions of citizens vote on every issue. there will always be some form of government.
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/21 16:02:46
    Joyce Brand
    +2
    Just because there will always be psychopaths and sociopaths is no reason to allow them to rule the rest of us. The more evil there is in human beings, the more crucial it is not to allow any human being to rule others. It doesn't take an evolution in human nature. It just takes the understanding that, in the long run, you are better off by taking responsibility for your own life, rather than trusting some imperfect human, or group of humans, to take care of you.
  • Raymond... Joyce B... 2012/09/22 00:18:48
    Raymond Allamby
    well, it seems you are beyond convincing. oh well, i tried. the last things i will say, is the without some constraint on bad business practices, business will enevitably poison our land, air, and water. no matter what you believe about the free market, it can't solve these types of problems. and the people of this world will always seek leaders. the old adage of nature abhors a vacuum, applies to human nature, and a vacuum of leadership as well.
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/22 00:56:46
    Joyce Brand
    And what will it take to convince you that trusting sociopaths to "constrain" bad business practices when they never have in the history of the world is just stupid? What makes you think what rulers do is "leadership" or that real leadership has to be coercive?

    Consumer Reports, as a somewhat free market company, does more to protect consumers than all the regulatory agencies in the world. There are plenty of people who don't want land, air, and water to be poisoned. If they weren't so foolish as to believe that government is preventing pollution when all the government in the world is still allowing and even enabling pollution, they would actually be motivated to do something that works to prevent pollution. For example, owners have a vested interest in not destroying their own property, so an obvious solution would be private ownership of all land, air, and water. Bureaucrats have no such vested interest, which is why government owned land and water is the most polluted land and water.
  • Raymond... Joyce B... 2012/09/22 10:53:06
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/22 16:40:17
    Joyce Brand
    +1
    Do you really think you can have an institution with a monopoly on legalized violence without attracting sociopaths to it? No matter how many "campaign finance reforms" you pass, the sociopaths will always find a way to gain control of that kind of power. Criminalizing private contributions to politicians is the same thing as criminalizing the possession of guns. It just means that only criminals do it.

    The solution is simply to disburse that power to everyone. You don't need a monopoly on violence to provide security any more than you need a monopoly on grocery stores to provide food. You don't need a monopoly on law making and law enforcement to keep society working any more than you need a monopoly on computer repair to keep computers working.
  • Raymond... Joyce B... 2012/09/24 08:31:49
    Raymond Allamby
    they might be attracted to it, but they can be kept from being part of it. a simple look into someones background will tell the tale. no, if the only funding that politicians can use, comes from a central government source, then no outside sources can get in. there was a time when what you propose was actually tried. the dawn of civilization. funny that government grew from that, hmm? what your selling is a fantasy. but feel free to try and delude others into believing it. you'll never convince enough people to completely ignore history, and help you achieve your goal. it will NEVER happen. get over it.
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/24 13:52:02
    Joyce Brand
    +1
    LOL "Central government source?" You're going to tell a bunch of thieves that the only money they can use to get elected is money that has already been stolen, and even though they are allowed to steal and kill once in office, no cheating is allowed? And who is going to do those "simple" background checks? The same voters who don't do it now? Or are you going to let the government continue to "investigate" itself? Who is selling the fantasy?
  • Raymond... Joyce B... 2012/09/24 13:57:52
    Raymond Allamby
    dolt, the system will have to be changed, of course. you want to change it. the only difference is that my way is actually possible. all the current crop of politicians have to go. new laws, and vetting systems need to be put in place. really no big deal if we put our minds to it. your way is impossible. without laws, you can have no property. you can't have laws, without a government to enforce them. but you go ahead, keep dreaming.
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/24 18:30:39
    Joyce Brand
    +1
    How could you possibly be so ignorant of history? There were laws and recognized property rights long before any of the current forms of government were ever invented. No government doesn't mean no laws. It just means discovered laws, consentual laws, and customary laws rather than edicts handed down by bogus authorities. And there are many better ways to enforce laws than by giving a monopoly on violence to the criminals in charge.
  • Raymond... Joyce B... 2012/09/24 19:38:12
    Raymond Allamby
    you have been infected by reagan's government is the enemy meme. you can't see beyond that. you have my pity. and that's my last word.
  • Joyce B... Raymond... 2012/09/25 01:27:45
    Joyce Brand
    +1
    Reagan was a hypocrite, but even hypocrites get something right occasionally. All it really takes to see the truth is something you have obviously never done -- analyze the nature of government as an institution. Do you not even understand that the purpose of every institution is the same as the purpose of living organisms-self perpetuation?
  • Manuel Odinsown 2012/09/22 00:53:26
    Manuel
    do you eat road kill or something?
  • Odinsown Manuel 2012/09/22 01:27:01
    Odinsown
    +1
    I don't understand what this has to do with anything.
  • Manuel Odinsown 2012/09/22 00:52:08
    Manuel
    So we don't need a government?
  • Odinsown Manuel 2012/09/22 01:27:15
    Odinsown
    +1
    No we don't need government
  • Manuel Odinsown 2012/09/22 17:36:51
    Manuel
    well the choices are an organized government or organized crime...
  • Odinsown Manuel 2012/09/22 21:07:20
    Odinsown
    +1
    Your quite wrong about that.
  • Joyce B... Manuel 2012/09/24 13:39:51
    Joyce Brand
    +1
    Organized government IS organized crime, just with better PR.
  • cybernestical 2012/09/19 16:51:54
    cybernestical
    +1
    Yep..
    Cutting Taxes For The Wealthy Generates Faster Economic Growth for themselves.
  • Patent1 2012/09/19 01:53:05
    Patent1
    +1
    We all know that the bush2 lie of cutting taxes for the rich does not create jobs. We have seen that for 12 yrs now. The biggest current lie is that 47% of Americans don't pay any taxes, when we know that at least 75% of American workers pay payroll taxes. And what about the 7000 millionaires that don't pay any taxes?

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