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Texas ‘stand your ground’ shooter headed to prison...may also be Zimmerman's fate as well.

Manuel 2012/06/28 05:59:00

There are some eerie similarities in this insolent that happen in Texas with what happen in Florida with the Martin, Zimmerman case. It is clear that both Zimmerman and Rodriguez are bullies with a gun because both went out of their way to confront unarmed persons and created their problems which resulted in the deaths of their victims. Read on...here's Rodriguez, story...

A Texas man convicted of shooting
and killing his unarmed neighbor during a dispute over loud music
received a 40-year prison sentence on Wednesday.


Raul Rodriguez, 47, faced a minimum of five years and a maximum of life in prison. He claimed he shot schoolteacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas' version of the "stand your ground" law.


But prosecutors argued Rodriguez provoked the incident
by confronting Danaher, 36, and his friends with a handgun and
demanding they quiet down at a late-night birthday party in May 2010.


The Houston case captured more
attention in the wake of Trayvon Martin's death in Florida. There,
George Zimmerman says he was being attacked and cited the state's "stand
your ground" law after shooting the unarmed teen. But prosecutors
charged him with second-degree murder.


Two dozen states reportedly
now allow citizens to stand their ground even outside their home. The
specifics vary by state, but generally justify a person not retreating
and using deadly force when a threat is perceived.


As in Florida, Texas law includes public areas, "if a person has a right to be present at a location where force is used."


But veteran attorney Andy
Drumheller told Yahoo News that the Houston jury appeared to draw a line
with Rodriguez leaving his home and going down the street.


"The law is not designed to
create this bubble that you can carry with you everywhere you go," said
Drumheller, a former prosecutor now practicing criminal defense in
Houston. "The jury's verdict is a cautionary statement on the limits of
this defense."

After reading this...it clear Zimmerman is in the wrong....And this is how the court will see it in his fair trail.

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  • ZB 2012/06/28 14:29:18
    ZB
    +4
    Overly loud music, you call the police. Thats disturbing the peace. Stand your ground isn't a solve your problems with a gun law.

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  • Ryan 2012/06/29 21:22:15
    Ryan
    Two very different cases.

    But neither cases has a damn thing to do with stand your ground.

    Rodriguez went onto another person's property, refused to leave, and provoked a fight with them.

    Zimmerman initiated a confrontation with Martin.

    That said Florida law spells out use of force by the aggressor in another statute.

    Provoking a fight in no way prohibits you from using deadly force if facing an immediate lethal threat.

    If Trayvon did try to grab his gun, the shooting was Justified under Florida law.

    There is no other way to read the law.
  • Manuel Ryan 2012/07/01 06:38:27
    Manuel
    where's the blood?
  • Ryan Manuel 2012/07/02 02:11:46 (edited)
    Ryan
    What blood?

    Or do you mean the 20-30 bloodstains Forensics found on Zimmerman's clothes?

    By the way they confirmed it is Zimmerman's blood, and the blood of a young African American male.

    So almost certainly Trayvon's blood.
  • Manuel Ryan 2012/07/07 05:27:44
    Manuel
    post it...show me were it says Zimmerman clothes were covered with Marins blood...and the night he was in jail...we see no spools of Martin's blood on his clothes..
  • Ryan Manuel 2012/07/08 06:35:36 (edited)
    Ryan
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/939...

    It's 183 pages, but the reports about the blood stains are in there.

    Forensics start on page 104.

    The 5 page report that starts on page 110 is the one that states two DNA profiles in the blood stains on Zimmerman's clothes. It states plainly that the blood is Zimmerman's, and what is most likely the blood of an african american male, and then makes the claim the blood is Martins.

    14 bloodstains on his shirt, and 17 more on his Jacket. So a total of 31 bloodstains on his clothes.
  • Manuel Ryan 2012/07/08 06:41:35
    Manuel
    doesn't say covered with blood..it's like some dots worth...probably from the tiny spray...which can mean Zimmerman was on top and shot him...report says nothing of massive blood pour or blood puddles on clothing...which would happen if Zimmerman was under Trayvon when he shot him......
  • Ryan Manuel 2012/07/08 07:12:59
    Ryan
    Hm even basic study of Forensics claim otherwise.

    If Zimmerman lay under Trayzon's body for a few minutes your claim would be true.

    But Gunshot Wounds that are only entrance wounds like the one in this case don't bleed right away. Muscles contract around the wound, trapping blood in the body, and slowing bleeding.

    We know Zimmerman got up seconds after shooting, so it would be unlikely he'd have anything but the fine mist of Back Spatter on him.
  • jon 2012/06/29 18:26:39
    jon
    You do not understand ether case, in Zimmerman you miss-state the assertions of the defense and the asserted facts now disclosed. In the Rodriguez case you have minimized the import of the fact that he went to the victims property and started the altercation, the two cases are completely different on the surface of what we/ any one with out bias mite glean I am not totally aware of the Rodriguez case (not followed it, and the media has not hyped it to death as with Zimmerman) or the Zimmerman case and nether are you apparently or you are liberally biased to the point of blindness to the obvious differences and completely oblivious to the media spin and LIES about the facts in the Zimmerman case. The only thing in this thread that is clear is that you have an opinion that you regard as fact which makes you biased, in my opinion, and slanted in your post.
  • Manuel jon 2012/06/29 18:46:08
    Manuel
    +1
    . In the Rodriguez case you have minimized the import of the fact that he went to the victims property and started the altercation,

    Zimmerman did this by getting out of his car when advised not to..lost sight of Martin and then spotted him and chased Martin down... running after Martin....and then confronting him...that made Martin the victim.... That is the same... Rodriguez got into his victims space...Zimmerman got into Martin's space out side by chasing the kid down...and Rodriguez going on to his neighbor's house. Both actions taken by Zimmerman and Rodriguez deny them the Stand Your Ground Law as their defense...because they invaded their victims ground...understand?
  • P. Sturm 2012/06/28 22:58:27
    P. Sturm
    +1
    Yeah, been following it. The jury said you can't go out and challenge someone and then gun them down. If the George Zimmerman case is along similar lines, you can expect a similar verdict.
  • Manuel P. Sturm 2012/06/29 07:10:29
    Manuel
    it can go that way.
  • ehrhornp 2012/06/28 22:57:02
    ehrhornp
    +1
    I think Zimmerman is guilty but whether he gets convicted or not is a different matter. I don't know how good the evidence is. Heard in the beginning that it was improperly handled and a sloppy job is done. Plus there is the matter of race and potential racism on the jury, a conviction is hardly a forgone conclusion.
  • Manuel ehrhornp 2012/06/29 07:10:59
    Manuel
    there is a lot of worms in this can....
  • gaylehelen 2012/06/28 21:53:27
    gaylehelen
    +2
    I think Zimmerman will be convicted. What on earth was he doing a neighborhood watch with a weapon? We don't have armed neighborhood watchers with weapons here in Massachusetts. He should have listened to the police and waited.
    I don't know enough about the Texas case except for what you wrote here. It sounds as if he went looking for an argument, but like I said, I don't know enough about it to give a logical answer.
  • Manuel gaylehelen 2012/06/29 07:11:44
    Manuel
    it was taken from a Texas News site....
  • gaylehelen Manuel 2012/06/29 23:28:20
    gaylehelen
    +1
    Thanks.
  • Ryan gaylehelen 2012/07/02 02:48:01
    Ryan
    Zimmerman was on his way to the store.

    Does the fact he happened to be a watch captain mean he can never posses a gun ever?
  • luvguins 2012/06/28 18:47:36
    luvguins
    +2
    You don't accost someone and summarily shoot them. That isn't stand your ground, it is murder. Zimmerman should have stayed in his truck as told.
  • Manuel luvguins 2012/06/29 07:12:33
    Manuel
    +1
    all to true.....and sad :(
  • Cookielane 2012/06/28 16:26:52
    Cookielane
    +1
    I agree with you, Manuel
  • Manuel Cookielane 2012/06/28 18:19:42
    Manuel
    +3
    thank you...it's the right thing to do...for Zimmerman to serve time for being so irresponsible like this guy by abusing a law meant to help people in real danger .
  • Cookielane Manuel 2012/06/28 18:24:48
    Cookielane
    +2
    What Zimmerman has in effect done, is to bring unfair attention to Neighborhood Watch. I really hope they nail him!
  • Manuel Cookielane 2012/06/29 07:15:26
    Manuel
    well it puts a strain on Neighborhood Watch people...what?...will they all now be packing guns if Zimmerman gets off?....just think of what that will do...good god....what possible good could come from out of that?
  • Cookielane Manuel 2012/06/29 11:36:17
    Cookielane
    +1
    Oh gosh no!! Nobody should be packing! I just mean that they should be people you trust and maybe now, they'll be less likely to be out there helping because of such bad attention.
  • TimothyBrianFoley 2012/06/28 14:47:15
    TimothyBrianFoley
    +2
    at this rate its likely he will face the death penatly prison will be where he is going
  • Manuel Timothy... 2012/06/28 18:21:07
    Manuel
    +1
    I don't know about the death penalty...but prison would be the right move....
  • ehrhornp Manuel 2012/06/29 16:28:27
    ehrhornp
    +1
    I agree.
  • ZB 2012/06/28 14:29:18
    ZB
    +4
    Overly loud music, you call the police. Thats disturbing the peace. Stand your ground isn't a solve your problems with a gun law.
  • Manuel ZB 2012/06/28 18:21:57
    Manuel
    this is a great example of abusing this law...
  • ZB Manuel 2012/06/28 23:55:28
    ZB
    +1
    Very true. And the abuser is going to pay for it.
  • Manuel ZB 2012/06/29 07:15:53
    Manuel
    he will...
  • Marvelous Wildfire 2012/06/28 13:54:26
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    There many, major differences between the Rodriguez and Zimmerman case.
    Zimmerman was attacked while acting legally.
    Zimmerman did not video tape his *INITIATION* of a conflict, Zimmerman didn't *PLAN* the confrontation. To name just a few points.
  • Charmaine Marvelo... 2012/06/28 15:33:44
    Charmaine
    +2
    And how do you know this??? Have you seen a video of the scuffle??? If anything Zimmerman did not appear to be injured as he claimed he was, the video shown as he exited the police car exhibited a clean cut and well dressed FAT DUDE, no evidence of a scuffle!!! To name a few points.
  • Marvelo... Charmaine 2012/06/28 15:40:51
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    You should stop blindly believing the Race Pimps and News media.
    The officer that wrote the report noted Zimmerman's injuries *ON THE POLICE REPORT*, in addition there is also the doctor's report of the broken nose and cuts.
  • Charmaine Marvelo... 2012/06/28 16:11:01
    Charmaine
    +2
    I will not believe it until I see proof of these documents you speak of and the video speaks for itself in my opinion as well as the condition of his clothing after he exited the police car!!!
  • Marvelo... Charmaine 2012/06/28 16:54:29
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    I understand completely: you're a sheep, totally unable to think or reason for yourself, fully willing to believe anything you are told to believe by those who are hoping to cash in and are profiting from the Zimmerman case, because it is so much easier than using logic or reason.
  • Charmaine Marvelo... 2012/06/28 16:59:14
    Charmaine
    +2
    I am fully capable to think on my own, that is why I DON'T BELIEVE YOU since you claim there is evidence to support your claim which I asked to see and you won;t tell me where it is, words are words I want EVIDENCE!!!
  • Marvelo... Charmaine 2012/06/28 17:30:09
    Marvelous Wildfire
    +1
    If you can think for yourself: *DO SO*!
    Do *YOUR OWN* research.
    Don't even let *ME* do your "thinking" for you!

    Please, please, do your own research, so you don't stay a dumbass all your life.
  • Ryan Charmaine 2012/07/02 02:34:31
  • Ryan Charmaine 2012/07/02 02:34:14
    Ryan
    So the fact they found blood stains on his shirt and jacket are false?

    This info has been public over a month.

    The Florida Department of Law Enforcement found Zimmerman's Blood and what is almost certainly Trayvon's blood on Zimmerman's clothes. I believe it was somewhere around 20-30 bloodstains all together.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/939...

    Zimmerman's medical report listing a fractured nose and lacerations to his head should be in there too.

    Just to warn you it's 183 pages so it requires some reading.

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