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Tell me why the government shouldn't raise the minimum wage?

Ozymandias 2012/07/26 14:41:08
Because we need more sweatshops in America
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Because slavery should be legal. Screw the 14th Amendment.
3 votes
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Because poor people aren't real Americans
2 votes
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Because fighting poverty is socialism but keeping people poor is good for business
9 votes
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Because the poor and working class aren't my concern
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Because all government programs are a conspiracy
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All of the above
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None of the above
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  • Sheila 2012/07/26 15:13:58
    None of the above
    Sheila
    +15
    Because every time minimum wage goes up so does the price of EVERY product you use. EVERY SINGLE ONE. The companies don't just eat the change in the bottom line. Just like when taxes go up. YOU the consumer pays the difference.

    Minimum wage jobs are set asides. NO ONE can live on minimum wage alone. You are not supposed to. Aspire to more and then WORK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. Min wage is for students (who live at mom and dads house) and the seniors who want to work (but have income from retirement etc). It is for an entry level, no skill required job. Stick with it and aquire some skills and get a raise. Go back to school and get a raise.

    The raise you get when min wage goes up (if YOU even see a raise) will be gone the first time you go to McDonalds. Or Walmart.

    Min wage is not good for our country at all, and keeping it "going up" is very bad.

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  • Starman Charles E 2012/07/26 20:32:32
    Starman
    +1
    reducto absurdum. Really? any other logical fallacies you want to throw out.
  • Charles E Starman 2012/07/27 00:35:37
    Charles E
    +2
    You said a higher minimum wage would help the economy.
    I agreed and suggested how to make things really good.
    Which of your positions is wrong?
  • Starman Charles E 2012/07/27 03:14:57
  • Charles E Starman 2012/07/27 13:04:19
    Charles E
    I understand "Reducto ad absurdum".

    You still can't explain why a small increase in minimum wage is wonderful but you don't support a large increase in minimum wage with no explanation of why.
  • Ozymandias Starman 2012/07/26 23:22:38
    Ozymandias
    Absolutely!
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/07/26 17:47:08
  • Ozymandias jackola... 2012/07/26 23:24:00
    Ozymandias
    +1
    Really? That's interesting because the minimum wage was much higher back during the 50's in proportion to the cost of living under Eisenhower. FDR actually tried to pass an amendment making companies pay people livable wages, but that all got shot down.
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  • Ozymandias Delete 2012/07/26 23:24:52
    Ozymandias
    How does it help the poor, young, and minorities when they make more money? That makes no sense whatsoever.
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  • Ozymandias Delete 2012/07/27 02:37:54
    Ozymandias
    Everybody has to enter the workforce somewhere, and usually it's at the bottom. If employers and businesses are paying more, then more people will work for them and they'll make more money. It worked just fine back during the 50's. I don't think it's really asking too much to raise the minimum wage to $10 or even $15. $10 sounds about right to me because that's the inflation adjusted wage compared to the salaries today as opposed to those in 1968 when minimum wage was actually higher.
  • Delete Ozymandias 2012/07/27 06:06:05
  • Ozymandias Delete 2012/07/27 16:56:17
    Ozymandias
    When more people have more money to spend, companies will make more money and then will have more to pay their employees. Rather than trying to give it all to lobbyists and other things for the CEO's to flaunt their social status, they could give their employees livable wages. It's all a very symbiotic process. You act as if keeping people poor and minorities down is a good thing.
  • Delete Ozymandias 2012/07/27 17:06:17
  • Ozymandias Delete 2012/07/27 17:12:13
    Ozymandias
    Well your argument makes no sense. Either you're cherry picking the information, or you're trying to use the strawman argument.
  • Delete Ozymandias 2012/07/27 17:46:34
  • Ozymandias Delete 2012/07/28 17:21:25
  • Delete Ozymandias 2012/07/29 01:55:41 (edited)
  • Ozymandias Delete 2012/07/29 18:56:09
    Ozymandias
    Gas prices are out of control because of greed, and if you got paid more, you could actually support your family. It's too bad you fail to read between the lines and follow the same poppycock and illusion the GOP continues to feed you.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/26 17:12:38
    Because fighting poverty is socialism but keeping people poor is good for bus...
    Lady Whitewolf
    +3
    WHY do conservatives want everyone to work for SLAVE WAGES? I can't think of anyone who would want to work for 30 cents an hour. Keep minimum wage IN PLACE.
  • Charles E Lady Wh... 2012/07/26 19:38:57
    Charles E
    +3
    Why do liberals want to keep increasing the unemployment rate among the poor and minorities?

    Minimum wage is just another way to debase the currency by driving up prices without increasing productivity.
  • Lady Wh... Charles E 2012/07/26 20:00:43
    Lady Whitewolf
    baloney
  • Charles E Lady Wh... 2012/07/26 20:03:39
    Charles E
    +1
    Government statistics. Minimum wage increase = higher unemployment.
    And the biggest increase is always among the poor and minorities.
  • JP Lady Wh... 2012/07/27 02:38:45
    JP
    You are going to have to come up with a better argument than that.
  • Ozymandias Lady Wh... 2012/07/26 23:25:11
    Ozymandias
    Well apparently, Mitt Romney thinks it's good for business.
  • stormy rae 2012/07/26 17:12:20
    None of the above
    stormy rae
    +2
    Lets start with saying that if the GOVERNMENT and the FED didnt legally have the authority to counterfeit money, there would be no need to raise the minimum wage! Sound Money promotes financial security! Minimum Wage being raised only means more counterfeit money being printed and more hyper inflation resulting in even higher prices! Lets get rid of the FED and restore the gold standard, or resort to silver as currency, or at least have the silver or gold backing our dollars again!
  • Ozymandias stormy rae 2012/07/26 23:25:51
    Ozymandias
    Really? And where did you get all that information? From Alex Jones?
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  • Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/07/26 16:56:28
    None of the above
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +5
    Because every time the minimum wage is raised, unemployment for the young and unskilled goes way up. True minimum wage is ZERO!

    When wages for the unskilled and uneducated go up you have to raise everyone else up also. In the end you're still at the bottom and everything costs more so you've gained absolutely nothing!
  • Darkitec Gracie ... 2012/07/26 17:08:50 (edited)
    Darkitec
    +4
    You've actually lost ground. for every 1% raise in the minimum wage it will cost an employer about 1.3% and thus to cover this cost their product costs have to go up. In addition, every purchase means more sales tax is paid, thus unless the tax rates go down, there is no mathematical way for minimum wage to keep up with the inflation that it creates.
  • Ozymandias Gracie ... 2012/07/26 23:26:39
    Ozymandias
    Well that's interesting because minimum wage in proportion to the cost of living is lower now than it's probably been in the past 100 years, and the unemployment rate is highest since it's been since the Great Depression.
  • Jessie M 2012/07/26 16:32:04 (edited)
    None of the above
    Jessie M
    +6
    You may find this interesting in the last 10 years





    So minimum wage increase by 40% since the year 2000 and gas increased by only 311%



    Now I know liberals will not agree with a connection but during that same time period

    Bread went from $0.91 to $1.42 for a increase of 56%

    Ground Beef from $1.90 to 3.29 for a increase of 73%

    Whole Chicken from $1.06 to $1.33 for a increase of 25%

    Eggs from $0.98 to $1.94 for a increase of 202%

    Coffee from $3.54 to $5.50 for a increase of 55%



    Do you get it, a increase of the minimum wage is not helping it is hurting. The minimum wage is not meant to be a living wage. Yes many have had to choice a minimum wage job, but many have only worked minimum wages job because of the type of work ethics they choice. As minimum wage goes up so does the cost of living. Just because those who see a increase based on the minimum wage, it only closes the gap between those whom have worked and achieved a hire income.





    How would you like to be that cashier who worked for two year and received a pay raise each year, yet the new employee just starting will make as much as you. Would you not feel cheated, two years of work and you both will be making $10 per hour. Get it straight, no matter if it is Wal Mart, McDonalds or your local shop, they are not going to raise ...

    You may find this interesting in the last 10 years

    minimum



    So minimum wage increase by 40% since the year 2000 and gas increased by only 311%



    Now I know liberals will not agree with a connection but during that same time period

    Bread went from $0.91 to $1.42 for a increase of 56%

    Ground Beef from $1.90 to 3.29 for a increase of 73%

    Whole Chicken from $1.06 to $1.33 for a increase of 25%

    Eggs from $0.98 to $1.94 for a increase of 202%

    Coffee from $3.54 to $5.50 for a increase of 55%



    Do you get it, a increase of the minimum wage is not helping it is hurting. The minimum wage is not meant to be a living wage. Yes many have had to choice a minimum wage job, but many have only worked minimum wages job because of the type of work ethics they choice. As minimum wage goes up so does the cost of living. Just because those who see a increase based on the minimum wage, it only closes the gap between those whom have worked and achieved a hire income.





    How would you like to be that cashier who worked for two year and received a pay raise each year, yet the new employee just starting will make as much as you. Would you not feel cheated, two years of work and you both will be making $10 per hour. Get it straight, no matter if it is Wal Mart, McDonalds or your local shop, they are not going to raise your new wage hire then the federal mandate minimum wage.

    By the wage these number were provide by the Bureau of Labor Statistics
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  • Charles E Jessie M 2012/07/26 19:23:17
    Charles E
    The higher minimum wage advocates see your figures and say that is why the minimum needs to be increased.

    We look and see that higher minimum wages are pushing up the cost of products.
  • Jessie M Charles E 2012/07/26 19:25:00
    Jessie M
    So you want a higher cost of living?
  • Charles E Jessie M 2012/07/26 20:11:40
    Charles E
    +3
    Minimum wage is the governments fault and if that were stopped price increases would also stop, or at least slow down.

    I want the government to stop price fixing labour costs so the prices of products can stabalize.

    Higher minimum wage causes higher product prices resulting in a demand for more minimum wage increases causing more price increases ...
  • Jessie M Charles E 2012/07/26 20:15:27
    Jessie M
    +1
    great point
  • Ozymandias Charles E 2012/07/26 23:28:50
    Ozymandias
    So you would rather work in a sweat shop?
  • Charles E Ozymandias 2012/07/27 00:51:52
    Charles E
    I can take my skills to a different employer.
    Someone with no job skills is SOL. They NEVER get a legal job.
    Thank you minimum wage!
  • Ozymandias Jessie M 2012/07/26 23:28:12
    Ozymandias
    Actually you might want to get some of your statistics straight. Minimum wage has only gone up about $.50 in the past decade, but the price of gas has soared through the roof because of ethanol and because of the wars.
  • Charles E Ozymandias 2012/07/27 00:47:01
    Charles E
    +1
    Increasing world demand also helped raise the price of gas.

    But since you brought it up, ethanol is another example of government forcing people to purchase a substandard product at a premium price.

    While employers can refuse to hire workers who are not worth the government dictated minimum wage, if you drive a car the government has s**##ed you.

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