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Tell me why the government shouldn't raise the minimum wage?

Heisenberg 2012/07/26 14:41:08
Because we need more sweatshops in America
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Because slavery should be legal. Screw the 14th Amendment.
3 votes
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Because poor people aren't real Americans
2 votes
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Because fighting poverty is socialism but keeping people poor is good for business
9 votes
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Because the poor and working class aren't my concern
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Because all government programs are a conspiracy
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All of the above
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None of the above
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  • Sheila 2012/07/26 15:13:58
    None of the above
    Sheila
    +15
    Because every time minimum wage goes up so does the price of EVERY product you use. EVERY SINGLE ONE. The companies don't just eat the change in the bottom line. Just like when taxes go up. YOU the consumer pays the difference.

    Minimum wage jobs are set asides. NO ONE can live on minimum wage alone. You are not supposed to. Aspire to more and then WORK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. Min wage is for students (who live at mom and dads house) and the seniors who want to work (but have income from retirement etc). It is for an entry level, no skill required job. Stick with it and aquire some skills and get a raise. Go back to school and get a raise.

    The raise you get when min wage goes up (if YOU even see a raise) will be gone the first time you go to McDonalds. Or Walmart.

    Min wage is not good for our country at all, and keeping it "going up" is very bad.

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  • James 2012/08/20 02:38:25
    None of the above
    James
    Because we are interfering with what is considered the true market rate of one hour of labor based on what someone is doing.
  • Heisenberg James 2012/08/27 15:30:08
    Heisenberg
    So if they paid you 50-cents an hour, you'd be cool with that?
  • James Heisenberg 2012/08/28 02:37:45
    James
    Of course not. That's why I would only work in a career that is in demand. The only reason a job would be $.50 an hour is because there is so much supply in labor that employers would be able to offer whatever they want...and get away with it too. The reverse is always true.
  • Heisenberg James 2012/08/28 15:38:28
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Oh, that's right! Life is cheap to the GOP. Typical! Let me guess! I suppose you have no objections towards slavery being legalized again, right?
  • James Heisenberg 2012/08/30 17:07:09 (edited)
    James
    Why would I support slavery? I'm just stating facts learned in basic economics. I'm sure you took an economics class.....right? It's the same thing with the whole "working at Wal-mart" argument. Everyone who works there (for the most part) says that the working conditions suck, their management sucks, and the pay sucks....yet they still work there. There's always an excuse as to why they still work there. If you don't like it, quit. Find a job that pays more. If enough people quit and found a job that paid more then Wal-mart would HAVE to raise its wages because there isn't a huge supply of people to choose from that are looking for work anymore. As far as cost of living, why would it be so expensive to live somewhere and not somewhere else? Where would this money have to come from and why would it have to come specifically from there and not somewhere else? Let me know if this is going way over your head. Most people who accuse me of being with the GOP believe in some sort of magical money tree that gives everyone what they need...if they can only find it.

    money tree
  • foy49 2012/07/28 21:35:39
    Because fighting poverty is socialism but keeping people poor is good for bus...
    foy49
    +1
    Historically, raises to the minimum wage have coincided with an improvement in the US economy, and a rise in the standard of living for most of us (the working class), irregardless of what the fear mongers predicted during the inevitable debate.
    The largest US employer ,Wall Mart, pays the majority of it's employees an hourly wage that keeps them and their families below the poverty level, making them eligible for taxpayer funded, food stamps, health care, and housing.
    Wall Mart depends on the US taxpayer (well fair) to maintain it's work force.
    A substantial raise from the present minimum wage, to a living wage would "flip that switch" and prevent Wall Mart and others from steeling from the US taxpayers and force them to bear the full expense of producing their profits.
    Not to mention the improvement that would result to the standard of living of the workers.
  • Heisenberg foy49 2012/07/28 21:43:29
    Heisenberg
    +1
    What? Huh? You mean increasing wages and improving the standard of living for the working class is good for the economy? Keeping them poor is bad for the economy, huh? How dare you speak on behalf of the poor and minorities, you socialist, you! There's an "expert" on here who thinks increasing the minimum wage will hurt them.
  • foy49 Heisenberg 2012/07/29 08:20:48
    foy49
    +1
    Ya know , some times "ex-sperts" spert some ridiculous stuff, but they are certainly entitled to their (flawed) opinions. , as are you and I.
    Good topic, I like It.
    If I may be allowed to provide an example, if an industry wide wage hike were imposed, it would effect all of our competition equally, (no negative impact) and more of our employees could afford our product, (more customers), and our work force would be healthier and happier, and contribute more in taxes. Win/Win/Win, did I count those wins correctly ?
  • Heisenberg foy49 2012/07/29 18:52:36
    Heisenberg
    +1
    You said a mouthful, Guy!
  • Kalayaan 001 2012/07/28 06:03:20 (edited)
    None of the above
    Kalayaan 001
    +2
    All goods and services need labor to make them available to the public. Thus, if the price of labor were to rise, the price of ALL goods and services will also rise accordingly.
    The effect? Inflation.

    Likewise, raising the minimum price of labor (plus the legal requirements to fire under-performing employees) will make employers even more hesitant to hire... especially inexperienced people newly added to the work-force.

    And employers have only limited money, including the funds allocated to salaries. If employers have to raise their employees' salaries, their fixed budgets may force them to fire a number of them in order to stay on budget.
    The effect of above consequences? Higher unemployment.

    Remember the old American T.V.-programs where $500 could buy a house, where $0.50 was more than enough to buy a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, and 12 eggs?
    How about paying U.S. workers with Zimbabwean dollars? They would be millionaires easily!

    Money is like train-tracks. It can be a useful unit of measure, but it can also be a hindrance by hiding the very thing it is trying to measure: buying power.
    Don't get trapped by colorful slips of paper and thin disks of base-metal.
  • Heisenberg Kalayaa... 2012/07/28 17:17:09
    Heisenberg
    +3
    Inflation is bursting at the seems because of gas prices and oil. It's always easy to blame the poor and working class for things beyond their control but never the rich or Wall Street for fixing the prices only to accommodate them.
  • Kalayaa... Heisenberg 2012/07/29 05:02:27
    Kalayaan 001
    Inflation does have many causes and you are right: Wall St. does have much to do with it. Let's not forget their friends, the central bankers who intentionally make sure that the inflation rates are positive becasue they fear that, if all the prices fall, they won' t be able to tell if it is just healthy supply & demand or an all-out depression.

    It all just appears to be glorified gambling, plus playing with dangerous fire (debt). If I were the dictator the world, the buying/selling of stocks and bonds would not exist and neither would central banks.
  • Heisenberg Kalayaa... 2012/07/29 18:53:08
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Once again, it's all about greed, but the general public continues to turn the other cheek.
  • Wag 2012/07/27 13:31:43
    All of the above
    Wag
    +1
    Its just bad business too have employees financially distressed....
    financial distress
  • Heisenberg Wag 2012/07/27 16:49:57
    Heisenberg
    +2
    Well then that's all the reason more why they should increase the minimum wage to about $10 an hour.
  • Squatch 2012/07/27 03:06:05
    None of the above
    Squatch
    +1
    Because business is doing really crappy right now anyway. Raising minimum wage is going to hurt small business, AGAIN and make them less likely to stay in business, or for a new owner to open a business.

    Let's face it if you are thinking of opening a business you are probably not hurting financially. So, if we scare all these people off and they decide to stay home and keep their money in the bank who ultimately gets hurt.

    The American worker
  • Heisenberg Squatch 2012/07/27 05:14:56
    Heisenberg
    They don't have to do it right away but maybe in a few years.
  • Squatch Heisenberg 2012/07/27 12:21:25 (edited)
    Squatch
    +1
    I agree. I have had many minimum wage jobs and a raise sure would have been nice. The only thing is, when you are dealing with a raise from a business perspective, in order for one person to gain another has to lose.
    I do; however, have a problem with greedy business owners who do exceedingly well while their workers can barely pay the bills and they act like giving an extra 50 cents an hour is going to bankrupt them.
    Trust me, I have worked for a few of these guys and they ultimately drove me to join the military.
    Hard to do much better than military officer pay in this recession - if you are looking for a way to beat the minimum wage bandwagon.
  • Heisenberg Squatch 2012/07/27 16:51:12
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Your point is duly noted. I also joined the military a long time ago, and it was the biggest mistake I ever made. Not everyone is cut out for service life, and I was one of them much to my chagrin.
  • Squatch Heisenberg 2012/07/27 17:07:25
    Squatch
    +1
    No worries. That is the great thing about America, lots of ways to succeed. I would not say I am a hardcore military guy. I am proud of my Country and I work hard, but I am more thankful that it gives me a chance to provide for my family and hopefully to retire. Assuming the Dems don't revise our retirement plan in the next 7 years. Good Luck to you.
  • Heisenberg Squatch 2012/07/27 17:11:29
    Heisenberg
    +2
    I don't think they will. They want to cut down on pork-barrel spending which is to stop wasting money on all the defense projects like all the weaponry and whatnot. They don't want anymore wars, either.
  • Windy Squatch 2012/07/28 09:52:49 (edited)
    Windy
    You forgot that existing small businesses will either have to drop an employee or not hire one they were planning to hire. They only have so much money to go around for business expenses (including employee wages and taxes) if their expenses go up and the economy is such they cannot raise prices and still maintain their customer base and therefore income, their only choice is to fire someone, or not hire hire a previously planned new employee. The minimum wage laws also make it much harder for young people to enter the job market.
  • Squatch Windy 2012/07/28 13:31:26
    Squatch
    +1
    All true, very good points! Obama would have you believe it is because of the mean old business owner, but let's face it. People go into business for themselves to be successful. I mean, who in their right mind is going to put up the capital and go thru all the GOV BS to make a few bucks over minimum wage themselves?
  • JP 2012/07/27 02:35:55
    None of the above
    JP
    +1
    Everything goes up with it. Silly liberals, it's not what we make but how much we KEEP!
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/07/27 02:41:22
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/07/27 02:47:21
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/07/27 05:15:35
    Heisenberg
    +2
    Most of our oil comes from Canada, bozo. Only a small portion of it comes from the Middle East. You still don't get the big picture.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/07/27 13:18:21
    JP
    NATO oil, batman, not US oil.
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/07/27 16:52:05
    Heisenberg
    +2
    Or maybe NATO was just doing the right thing. If he did nothing, they'd still bemoan Obama for it. I'm glad we're not involved in Syria, too. We need to just stay the hell out of it.
  • JP Heisenberg 2012/07/27 16:55:24
    JP
    Assad has killed a lot of innocent people. I can't find much evidence that Syrian oil runs NATO countries like Libyan Oil did. We bombed Libya at the behest of NATO...the real blood for oil war!
  • Heisenberg JP 2012/07/28 17:18:28
    Heisenberg
    +1
    There were a lot of innocent people killed in Darfur too, but nobody ever did anything about that. We need to just but the hell out. Assad hasn't invaded Israel or any other country, and the rebels already have the upper hand. Not every problem in this world has an American solution.
  • Augure3VI JP 2013/02/01 12:41:20
    Augure3VI
    +1
    So has Gaddafi. We only help oust an already hated dictator, pretty much in the same way we outed Saddam Hessian.
  • JP Augure3VI 2013/02/04 16:09:56
    JP
    Exactly my point. Blood for Nato Oil.
  • Augure3VI JP 2013/02/01 12:38:34
    Augure3VI
    +1
    And what was the point of Bush pushing to take on Iraq and Afghanistan? Neither had anything to do with the attacks on us on 9/11.
  • JP Augure3VI 2013/02/04 16:13:53
    JP
    Blood for Nato oil. Afghanistan has large deposits of rare earth minerals needed for high tech and green manufacturing.

    We don't really know who had what to do with 9/11. I'm not a 9/11 truther conspiracy theory nut job. It is pretty easy to see why we're still in BOTH countries nearly five years after Obama was elected.
  • gregaj7 2012/07/26 22:32:33
    None of the above
    gregaj7
    +1
    Need to figure out which amendment it is (13th). Might be time for you to actually read the Constitution and all the amendments.
  • Heisenberg gregaj7 2012/07/26 23:17:41
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Thank you for reiterating that. I knew it was one of them. The 14th Amendment says anyone born on U.S. soil is a naturalized citizen.
  • gregaj7 Heisenberg 2012/07/27 05:09:43
    gregaj7
    You might want to consider getting a law dictionary and looking up every word of the first sentence of the 14th. I don't know about you, but I don't fit the legal def of a "person".
  • Heisenberg gregaj7 2012/07/27 05:16:14
    Heisenberg
    +2
    I know what it was all about. It was about making the blacks nationalized citizens after the slaves were freed.
  • gregaj7 Heisenberg 2012/07/27 05:34:39
    gregaj7
    +1
    My suggestion still stands, as I found out differently from your assertions when I did my research.
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