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Teachers want 30% pay raise: If they believe that we can afford it, are they too stupid to be teaching?

BrianD3 2012/06/06 13:44:51
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Public school teachers in Chicago begin voting today on whether to authorize their union to call a strike if a deal can’t be reached with the district.


Contract talks are ongoing, and the Chicago Teachers Union vice president Jesse Sharkey admitted on Tuesday the vote is being taken to serve as "leverage in the negotiation process."


Under a 2011 state law, 75 percent of total CTU membership must give their approval before a strike can take place. CTU hopes to top that percentage to send a message about teacher dissatisfaction with reforms being pushed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Public Schools.


Issues in the contract talks are now before an arbitrator, who will issue recommendations July 16. After that, the process calls for steps that would take 45 days before teachers could walk out.


Emanuel and education reform groups have chastised the union for taking the strike vote before the arbitration process is complete. They’ve argued that the intent of the state’s education reform was for final offers to be made public and to allow for a compromise to be reached.


This week, Education Reform Now, a sister organization to Washington D.C.-based Democrats for Education Reform, began running radio ads calling parents to sign a petition against what they called “an early strike vote.” Another national education reform group new to Illinois, Stand for Children, is also running an online petition against the strike vote.


The union and the district remain far apart on critical issues like pay raises and compensation for the longer school day next year.


CTU has asked for a compounded 30 percent raise over two years while the district has offered a 2 percent raise in the first year, no salary increase in the second and the eventual implementation of a merit pay-like system.


CPS chiefJean-Claude Brizardsent a letter to teachers on Tuesday accusing the union of misleading its members abou the district’s proposals. The letter said CPS is not changing its class size policy and is offering teachers more professional development time.


As for salaries, CPS "cannot afford a 30 percent raise, but teachers deserve a raise and will receive one that is fair," Brizard wrote. Emanuel has also said teachers deserve a raise.


The last time teachers went out on strike was in 1987.


Later today, CTU president Karen Lewis is expected to cast her vote at King College Prep High School where she taught two years ago. Union leaders will also be visiting neighborhood schools across the city to answer members’ questions.


Voting will start at 6:30 a.m., before school begins, and continue after school. Union representatives at the schools will be checking each teacher’s name against a master list and the ballots will be returned to CTU’s downtown office in secured ballot boxes in the evening.


The union has also provided four citywide locations for those teachers and union members that work across the district. The union plans to have observers, a group of faith leaders, at CTU headquarters as the ballots are counted by hand.


While CTU hopes to reach the 75 percent marker on the first day, they plan to keep ballots open for the remainder of the week, which is allowed under the CTU’s election rules

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  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/06 18:18:10
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    Kane Fernau
    +11
    I want a full years pay for working 180 days a year, with full benefits and I can't be fired.

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  • Reichstolz KrSpo 2012/06/13 15:57:11
    Reichstolz
    +1
    http://www.tvusd.k12.ca.us/hr...
    And that is just wages doesn't include family coverage for health care at no charge, then you add on a pension which they only contribute 1% toward, the average teacher in my area has the potential to make 90K in the first 5 years with pension and benefits included.
  • KrSpo Reichstolz 2012/06/13 17:50:55
    KrSpo
    +1
    Damn, I should have picked a teachable major...
  • Reichstolz KrSpo 2012/06/13 15:53:34
    Reichstolz
    +2
    Those other industries produce results for their earnings, teaching is one of the only well paid careers where you don't have to produce results and still keep getting raises.
  • Anna 2012/06/08 21:31:32
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    Anna
    +2
    At least in that area. Where I am the teachers and staff all agreed to take a small pay cut to avoid having to fire anyone. And by all I mean everyone but the administration, who aren't in much risk. So we're still going to lose a lot of good teachers and staff, but the administration get to keep their pay AND secretaries who sit and play free cell half the day.
  • BrianD3 Anna 2012/06/11 16:38:19
    BrianD3
    +2
    the "leaders" are a part of the team and if they ask you to take one for the team.....so should they
  • GeorgeAMartini 2012/06/08 20:10:53
    This proves that they are too stupid to teach
    GeorgeAMartini
    +2
    I've always felt most teachers don't really have a grasp on reality. Most only know their subject area. I even had one tell me once he didn't need to know anything about anything else.
  • Iamfree 2012/06/08 19:58:34
    This proves that they are too stupid to teach
    Iamfree
    +2
    Dimwits.

    Chicago has terrible school, and too many of their teachers are barily literate. Yet the average salary is $69,000. Yeesh.
  • BlondeAphrodite 2012/06/08 19:58:23
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    BlondeAphrodite
    +2
    they get half the year off winter and spring break 3 day holidays including "teacher work days" easy jobs and minimum days and still bitch about not having enough i had some wonderful teachers but i had some horrible ones and they dont need any more they have more than enough
  • Curmudgeon 2012/06/08 19:39:18 (edited)
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    Curmudgeon
    +2
    In times when the American Economy is isndire straights all they can think about doing to asking for more money?

    How about we give them raises based on what the average middle class worker is getting instead? You know, people that actually have to work the entire year...
  • BrianD3 Curmudgeon 2012/06/11 16:39:27
    BrianD3
    +1
    good point, people that actually pay the teachers should have more say that the teachers about what is fair pay
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/06/08 19:04:47
    This proves nothing....
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    Have a school system with three quarters of the school in at any time, so teachers have a lot more teaching time, and you can pay them more. Also, tell the unions to bugger off, and get rid of all the bad teachers - pay teachers based on their performance.
  • Night Anonymo... 2012/06/13 16:13:43
    Night
    Sometimes though you just get stupid kids or kids with English as their second language. It wouldn't be fair to those teachers who teach a normal class to those who teach an honors class.
  • Anonymo... Night 2012/06/13 16:27:16
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    I don't mean by grades - get students and inspectors to score them based on how good they are at teaching.
  • Night Anonymo... 2012/06/14 00:07:24
    Night
    Oh, then I agree. Although they do check teachers out every once in awhile...
  • Anonymo... Night 2012/06/14 07:52:02
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Yeah, we have Ofsted to check teachers...
  • S. Gompers 2012/06/08 18:48:02
    This proves that they are too stupid to teach
    S. Gompers
    +2
    Raises like that only executives give to each other.
  • keeper 2012/06/08 18:45:34
    This proves that they are too stupid to teach
    keeper
    +2
    That about says it all!
  • Raphy 2012/06/08 18:25:26
    This proves nothing....
    Raphy
    +2
    Reward the teachers that do more with less and actually care. For the sorry teachers, they can go kick rocks for all I care.
  • abycinnamon BN-1 2012/06/08 18:24:54
    This proves nothing....
    abycinnamon BN-1
    +5
    I do not know what the financial situation is in illinios. Some states have more money than others. It would certainly be stupid to do that in CA.
  • Tony 2012/06/08 18:17:09
    This proves nothing....
    Tony
    +5
    other then that unions are greedy, politicians are stupid, and in the end our children are the ones getting screwed!
  • Denny 2012/06/08 18:12:45
    This proves that they are too stupid to teach
    Denny
    +5
    This proves they are dead meat looking at what happened in Wisconsin they had better get what they can and QUICK
  • Bob, the reasonable one 2012/06/08 18:12:33
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    Bob, the reasonable one
    +7
    hah,hah, Rahm Emmanuel has to deal with it!!! Couldn't happen to a more deserving ass clown
  • BrianD3 Bob, th... 2012/06/08 19:09:17
    BrianD3
    +2
    I am still laughing
  • Bob, th... BrianD3 2012/06/08 19:23:16
  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/06/08 18:12:29
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +6
    I'll call them greedy because of their pizz poor production in educating kids.
    Production like this would get you Courts martialed and a DD in the military and here they want a big raise.
  • Red 2012/06/08 18:08:40
    This proves nothing....
    Red
    +3
    They just need to see the reality that our nation just can't afford it, I mean where do they think the funds would come from ....the sky or the money tree in the back yard? Really.
  • Pronata... Red 2012/06/08 18:15:49
  • Red Pronata... 2012/06/08 18:17:42
  • Pronata... Red 2012/06/08 18:45:21
  • Red Pronata... 2012/06/13 15:37:04
  • keeper Pronata... 2012/06/08 18:48:26
    keeper
    +2
    Good one!
  • Pronata... keeper 2012/06/08 18:59:38 (edited)
    Pronatalist Pronatalist
    +4
    Sorry, I just couldn't seem to find a good "have to carry money in wheelbarrow" picture. I was looking for the political angle, and not just "money in wheelbarrow." Perhaps you can find one?

    blinded by the money
  • keeper Pronata... 2012/06/09 21:39:31
  • keeper Red 2012/06/08 18:47:59
    keeper
    +2
    They want some obama-stash!
  • texasred 2012/06/07 22:01:37
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    texasred
    +5
    This is a tough one. I said too greedy, but they're really too stupid to know they're greedy.
  • hayesml47 2012/06/07 18:59:25
    This proves nothing....
    hayesml47
    +2
    We need to pay our teachers much more while requiring much higher standards of our entire public education system. A healthy and robust America starts with a great, unbiased, education!
  • Don Wenk 2012/06/07 08:14:02
    This proves nothing....
    Don Wenk
    +3
    Didn’t like the way the other questions were phrased. I would not be opposed to an increase in pay if it were tied to an evaluation of quality of work preformed. Like, do your kids know how to read at grade level? Can your kids solve math problems an grade level? Do your kids know about the founding fathers, the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
  • Seonag Don Wenk 2012/06/08 20:27:51
    Seonag
    +2
    That's Merit pay and what the school district wants to go to but Unions do not want this.
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/06/06 22:52:52
    This proves that they are too greedy to work for us
    TruBluTopaz
    +6
    The Illinois economic system is broke and broken. Why do union leaders pick now to try to strike for a laughable thirty percent increase on the cusp of what may be another and deeper recession? All I can figure is that if they strike, Illinois parents will be too annoyed to bother voting.
  • JCD aka "biz" 2012/06/06 21:52:04
    This proves nothing....
    JCD aka "biz"
    +3
    If you can afford Mitt Romney, you can afford giving a 30% raise to teachers.

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