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Teachers Union, Teachers at it again: Teachers strike talks resume Sunday. 430,000 students and there family's will suffer. Does the Teachers Union care about the Students?

CAPISCE 2012/09/09 14:51:16
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CHICAGO—
With a potential teachers strike less than 24 hours away, CPS students and parents wait for word on a deal.

Negotiators for the teachers union are examining the latest proposal

The two sides return to the table at 11 a.m. Sunday.


They met for nearly nine hours Saturday at the merchandise mart, where CTU
headquarters is located.


School board president, David Vitale, says the latest offer covers pay, a
recall policy for laid-off teachers aWe are very disappointed that the Chicago Teachers Union has filed unnecessary litigation at a time when our focus should be on negotiations and reaching a fair agreement in order to avoid any disruptions to our kids' school year. It's time to put antics aside and negotiate in good faith on behalf of our students so they can stay in classrooms with their teachers where they belong.

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  • Wulfdane 2012/09/09 16:34:37 (edited)
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    Wulfdane
    +7
    For most of American history, public unions were not allowed in our schools and the state of our school system is why.

    Teachers suffer an entitlement complex, they are parasites. Our schools are failing because of Unions, yet they want higher wages for their incompetence. Wages/Benefits need to be slashed down to private sector levels.

    Before Unions took control of our schools, the US has the best education system in the world, we were the envy of the world. Since Unions took control, we now have one of the worst educations systems in the world.

    We spend more money on education than any other country in the world and yet most of that money *does not* go to students, instead that money goes to feed Unions and their never ending greed. So what do Unions/Teachers do to try an cover up their failure? They graduate illiterate students and students who can't even find the US on a map. They have committed fraud on the American people for too long.

    It is time to abolish public unions from our schools, for too long they have been a wedge between the people and their elected officials, costing taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars and all we got for all this money was failure. Communities all over the United States are going bankrupt because Teacher Unions have held them hostage.

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    For most of American history, public unions were not allowed in our schools and the state of our school system is why.

    Teachers suffer an entitlement complex, they are parasites. Our schools are failing because of Unions, yet they want higher wages for their incompetence. Wages/Benefits need to be slashed down to private sector levels.

    Before Unions took control of our schools, the US has the best education system in the world, we were the envy of the world. Since Unions took control, we now have one of the worst educations systems in the world.

    We spend more money on education than any other country in the world and yet most of that money *does not* go to students, instead that money goes to feed Unions and their never ending greed. So what do Unions/Teachers do to try an cover up their failure? They graduate illiterate students and students who can't even find the US on a map. They have committed fraud on the American people for too long.

    It is time to abolish public unions from our schools, for too long they have been a wedge between the people and their elected officials, costing taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars and all we got for all this money was failure. Communities all over the United States are going bankrupt because Teacher Unions have held them hostage.

    They have been a constant drain on taxpayers as property taxes skyrocket and even in bad economic times they continue to soak the taxpayers for every penny they can get their greedy hands on.

    Chicago should fire every single one of those teachers who refuse to get back to work, even if it means closing the schools. Abolish the Unions, blackball all fired teachers and start over. It is time to clean our schools and put in teachers who really care about our children and we cannot fix our schools until we get rid of the Unions.

    Chicago has some of the worst schools in the country, the kids are not being educated because of teachers who don't even qualify for teaching jobs. If schools in Chicago actually educated these children, they wouldn't turn to crime. Because they would actually have the skills to live a productive life.
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  • JET 2012/09/13 00:41:37
    Self Interest
    JET
    +1
    It's all about how much money the union can get for them. Too bad there quite a few good teachers that get lumped in with these losers. The union needs to go!
  • RJeffreySavlov 2012/09/12 02:08:15
    Self Interest
    RJeffreySavlov
    +1
    That is why all essential service unions should be banned nationally.
  • kfallslady 2012/09/11 02:50:29
    Self Interest
    kfallslady
    +1
    there are a few good teachers, but the rest are to worryed about money
  • shaltov72 2012/09/10 22:13:10
    Self Interest
    shaltov72
    +1
    Oh yes the teachers in this state recieving $76,000 per year working 9months and added on to that benefits!
    But all this is, is the democrat subversive trick to make obama and rahm immanuel and obama look like they are going to take care of the situation, MORE FALSE FLAGS AND HE REGRESSIVE LIBERALS WILL SUCK IT ALL IN, THE USUAL LIES AND SMOKE AND MIRRORS!
  • Captain-Morgan 2012/09/10 22:07:26
    Self Interest
    Captain-Morgan
    +2
    That's all it is.. "Self Interest"... We need better teachers, and money is not the answer..
  • MsDianna 2012/09/10 15:02:50
    Self Interest
    MsDianna
    +1
    I believe self interest but they have to take care of themselves before they can teach our children. If you're worried about how you're going to feed and clothe your family, a place for them to live, pay your bills you're not at your best.
    I not so sure unions are the best way
  • CAPISCE MsDianna 2012/09/10 17:29:51
    CAPISCE
    The teachers make $76,000 for 9 months work!!!!!!
  • MW121 2012/09/10 11:17:00
    Self Interest
    MW121
    +4
    More reasons why teachers union should be eliminated. People should start a new teachers group and take all these teachers jobs.
  • P. Sturm 2012/09/10 11:04:52
    Students
    P. Sturm
    +1
    I have an idea, lets just pay them whatever business pays a degree'd professional in their subject.
  • CAPISCE P. Sturm 2012/09/10 11:53:25
    CAPISCE
    +2
    They make $76,000 for 9 1/2 months work and Summers off. They should be thrilled
  • P. Sturm CAPISCE 2012/09/10 12:45:12
    P. Sturm
    +2
    That's three times what they make here. I'll send them there.
  • joan.sloane 2012/09/10 09:59:10
    Self Interest
    joan.sloane
    There is nothing wrong with a little self interest. When union workers strike, it needs to be at the most advantageous time. Like all of us, teachers need money to live. They have the advantage of a union to help them get a raise.

    If it wasn't for organized labor, most of us wouldn't have two day weekends, health benefits, overtime pay or paid vacations.
  • CAPISCE joan.sl... 2012/09/10 10:02:26
    CAPISCE
    +2
    They make $76,000 for 9 1/2 months work and Summers off. They should be thrilled
  • joan.sl... CAPISCE 2012/09/10 10:37:13
    joan.sloane
    Thrilled to work in a war zone everyday where thugs rule? Thrilled to be forced to teach downward to the dumb and lazy at the expense of the bright and willing? Thrilled that you cannot enforce any semblance of discipline without enduring the rath of the school board and irate parents whose kids are out of control? Teachers are leaving the profession everyday out of disgust. American children test low because politically correct school boards and parents who are either overworked, lazy, drugged out, absent or just don't give a damn allow them to.

    You couldn't pay me $176,000 a year to be a teacher today, especially in cities like Chicago, New York, LA, or any urban school.
  • CAPISCE joan.sl... 2012/09/10 14:02:06
    CAPISCE
    +3
    Who forced them to live in Chicago?
    50% of the country is on some type Gov assistance and these bastards making $76,000 in 9 months are on strike?
    Wanna bet if they opened up the employment they would fill the jobs with qualified, grateful Americans in 2 days.
  • joan.sl... CAPISCE 2012/09/10 17:07:29
    joan.sloane
    You are correct no one forced them to live in Chicago. However, 8 million people live in metro Chicago for one reason or another and I’ll just bet no one is forcing them to do so either. What is your point?

    If you are interested in accuracy, which doesn’t appear to be the case, the yearly salary range for teachers in Chicago is $37,372 to $89,620 with the average being $53,713.

    The minimal education requirement to teach in Chicago is a bachelor's degree with a minimum GPA of 2.5/4.0. Like most jobs, teachers will earn more as they accumulate years in their position. A teachers pay is also based on the subject and grade level they teach. As well, their pay is also based on the average pay scale for the area. We all need food and a roof over our heads, don’t we?

    You seem very upset by your erroneous contention that teachers only work 9 months a year. The reality is that teachers are not always off then the students are. They actually are paid for the 10 months a year that they work. Do you really think that with an average salary of $53,713 they can afford, or want, 2 months leave without pay? So, teachers have to spread their 10 month paycheck out to 12 months which gives them a grand total of $4476.00 a month to live on. Not an outrageous sum of money to make in a rather expen...









    You are correct no one forced them to live in Chicago. However, 8 million people live in metro Chicago for one reason or another and I’ll just bet no one is forcing them to do so either. What is your point?

    If you are interested in accuracy, which doesn’t appear to be the case, the yearly salary range for teachers in Chicago is $37,372 to $89,620 with the average being $53,713.

    The minimal education requirement to teach in Chicago is a bachelor's degree with a minimum GPA of 2.5/4.0. Like most jobs, teachers will earn more as they accumulate years in their position. A teachers pay is also based on the subject and grade level they teach. As well, their pay is also based on the average pay scale for the area. We all need food and a roof over our heads, don’t we?

    You seem very upset by your erroneous contention that teachers only work 9 months a year. The reality is that teachers are not always off then the students are. They actually are paid for the 10 months a year that they work. Do you really think that with an average salary of $53,713 they can afford, or want, 2 months leave without pay? So, teachers have to spread their 10 month paycheck out to 12 months which gives them a grand total of $4476.00 a month to live on. Not an outrageous sum of money to make in a rather expensive urban area, is it?

    Why are you so angry at teachers? Why aren’t you complaining about the person on the Chicago Prisoner Review Board making $66,864 a year or, the Admin Assistant I position for the Natural Resources Agency who earns $66,322.50 (the Admin Assistant 2 position pays $77,448.00)?

    These teachers, who you call bastards, are charged with one of the most important jobs in the country, educating our children, the future of America. What’s more they do it with both hands tied behind their backs by the politically motivated school administrators. Thankfully for state workers, Illinois is not one of those horrendous “right to work” states like Florida where unions are vigorously discouraged. The average teacher’s salary in Miami, a very expensive city to live in, is approximately $30,000. What about being competitive in order to attract the best candidates for the job.

    I agree, everyone who has a job today is lucky. Does that mean that no working person should ever expect to get a raise? I don’t think so. This is the first teachers strike in 25 years.

    Oh, the flock of people who would be grateful to land a teaching job in Chicago wouldn’t last a year in a city with the highest youth murder rate in the country, teacher assaults, violent street gangs and other wise ass kids who have zero respect for authority.

    You don’t know what you are talking about.
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  • Elaine ... joan.sl... 2012/09/10 14:46:53
    Elaine Magliacane
    +3
    Fire them ALL... I bet there are plenty of unemployed recently graduated that would LOVE a $76,000 a year job... hell they'd fill the jobs in no time flat with unemployed engineers and computer programmers.
  • joan.sl... Elaine ... 2012/09/10 17:41:33
    joan.sloane
    THEY DON'T MAKE $76,000 A YEAR! Do you believe everything you read without checking the facts?
  • CAPISCE joan.sl... 2012/09/10 17:44:15
    CAPISCE
    +2
    That came from the teachers thenselves............read much?
  • joan.sl... CAPISCE 2012/09/10 18:02:41
    joan.sloane
    Yes, I do read a lot. I did some research before I commented to backup my response. It sounds like you accept everything someone tells you as absolute fact....think much?
  • CAPISCE joan.sl... 2012/09/10 18:45:42
    CAPISCE
    +2
    Chicago Tribune:
    A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.
    CTU attorney Robert Bloch said the teachers want more than a salary increase. It's not all about salary.
  • joan.sl... CAPISCE 2012/09/11 02:36:58
    joan.sloane
    You are the one focusing on the salary. The spokesman for the school system is not giving out accurate information. This stuff is all public record and easy to check.

    What other teacher demands do you find objectionable? What do you think would be fair working conditions and salaries for teachers in a major metropolitan area? Teachers are consistently among the lowest paid professionals in the country. Do you agree that those charged with the duty of educating our children should be on the low end of the pay scale among similarly educated professionals?

    If so, I genuinely question your values and priorities.
  • shaltov72 joan.sl... 2012/09/10 22:17:23
    shaltov72
    Only democrats progressives and those who do not know the US Constitution or the truth!
  • joan.sl... shaltov72 2012/09/11 02:38:26
    joan.sloane
    Please try to comment in complete sentences. Otherwise you look like an idiot.
  • joan.sl... CAPISCE 2012/09/10 18:12:32
    joan.sloane
    I almost forgot to compliment you on your evasive debate tactic. Don't respond to the issues I raised; just try to insult your opponent. That way you are never forced to defend your opinion. You must be a republican.
  • CAPISCE joan.sl... 2012/09/10 18:46:01
    CAPISCE
    +2
    YOU LOSE!
  • jool 2012/09/10 03:37:42
    Self Interest
    jool
    +1
    wake up people! Teachers we are all hurting....get in line!
  • Jimbo 2012/09/10 02:32:41
    Students
    Jimbo
    +2
    I don't even care. My kids go to a charter school and there is no union. The teachers are paid well and treated like professionals.

    The public education in the country sucks.
  • wtw 2012/09/10 02:31:39
    Self Interest
    wtw
    +2
    This is the reason we are going bankrupt in our country and cities. Teachers and schools beleive we need to just throw money at the problem and solutions are forthcoming--never works!
  • joan.sl... wtw 2012/09/10 17:39:41
    joan.sloane
    "This is the reason we are going bankrupt in our country and cities." Really?

    Maybe the problem is people like you who lash out at the first easy target because it is easier than thinking.
  • wtw joan.sl... 2012/09/11 13:27:34
    wtw
    Huh? No I can't think. The teacher main beef is more money. We are broke and most people in the country have either taken pay cuts or are lucky to have jobs and these selfish people have the audacity to complain about pay when they are working with the highest pay in the country for teachers already in a government that is bankrupt! Any business could not afford the pensions which is bankrupting illinois gov.
  • joan.sl... wtw 2012/09/11 16:30:55
    joan.sloane
    Okay, that is reasonable and I agree. Your point is well taken. The timing is very bad.

    What I was arguing for was their right to strike and also that there are so many state employees making the same or more money and what is more important than educating our children?

    Thanks for your reply
  • Hawk 2012/09/10 01:56:35 (edited)
    Self Interest
    Hawk
    +3
    Look into how the union bosses live and what their investments are. More and more people in the unions are starting to see the folly here. How is it a supposedly free country when you HAVE to join a union?
  • joan.sl... Hawk 2012/09/10 17:38:49
    joan.sloane
    I will admit that unions got greedy and unreasonable. I believe it might be one of the big reasons that the American auto industry went down the drain. The whole concept of a fair deal for the average worker went sour.

    But, we should also remember the advances made by the American worker because of unions. Things we all take for granted like the 5 day work week, paid holidays and vacations, safer work places and much more.

    Greed always gets you in the end.
  • Hawk joan.sl... 2012/09/10 17:46:13
    Hawk
    +1
    You are right. Good things happened because the actual workers were at the controls. Now it is simply another business with the workers as pawns. Greed - yes it is always part of the game. But still, if you don't want to be in a union - you shouldn't have to be.
  • joan.sl... Hawk 2012/09/10 18:05:17
    joan.sloane
    +1
    Agreed.
  • shaltov72 joan.sl... 2012/09/10 22:20:41
    shaltov72
    That is true but unions have passed that, it now how they influence big money, they are the one percenters, and they push alot of wieght, mostly in the govenment, and unions do not belong in the government, they already have pay grades and some are ridiculous!
  • stevmackey 2012/09/10 01:48:09
    Self Interest
    stevmackey
    +3
    My wife is a member and found out they will not help her. I told her it was a waste of money. They have done nothing to raise the teacher's pay in Broward County.
  • bosshog 2012/09/10 00:45:47
    Self Interest
    bosshog
    +2
    It's time to get rid of the UNION CUT THERE POWER, DON'T PEOPLE KNOW OWNS AND CONTROLL THE UNIONS.
  • umapathy Krishnamurthy 2012/09/10 00:32:16
    Self Interest
    umapathy Krishnamurthy
    Law to amend teachers should not strikes

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