Teachers and Their Unions: Victims or Complicit?
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2012/03/05 17:04:02
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...Continuing my rant from before about how teachers and administrators act complacent with the decline of public school education. Should Schools Lay Teachers Off Based on Seniority or Quality?
I've found one of the best videos ever to explain teachers unions and public schools. Watch this video.
I've found one of the best videos ever to explain teachers unions and public schools. Watch this video.
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Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/03/05 18:15:57Teachers are Complicit with Teacher Unions+9Funny how teachers have voices when you try to touch their benefits but can't seem to collectively gather in protest over the lack of education the kids are getting in public schools.






















This video is a good example - -at least "one" of those teachers had a "brain" that was connected to "common sense and truth" and it wasn't the one in a skirt.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe teachers are an important part of society and should be well compensated for their work. BUT, in a time of fiscal deficits and mounting debt, for people to be demanding more money when already the average starting salary of a teacher in BC is $47,461.00\yr this to me seems like extorting money from the taxpayers, holding their children's education for ransom.
And all this while the while the union keeps teachers in their jobs when they have no business being in a classroom. It is nearly impossible to be rid of a bad teacher. There are tens of thousands of teachers who cannot find employment in their field, and many of them would be better teachers than some of the entrenched teachers whose seniority will keep them going through the motions until they retire to their quite lucrative pensions.
It is the tax payer and most of all the quality of the education for the kids that is the victim
I state this everytime a poll on teachers and public schools comes up. If teh public really wantsto improve public education than the public needs to get into those schools and see what is going on in them. The public needs to stop looking at schools as free daycare (k-5) or juvi hall (6-12). The public needs to stop dropping teh kids at teh door and forgetting about them for 7.5 hours or more. The public needs to start taking responsibility for what is being taught by attending school board meetings and voting wisely on school board members and school admin. the public wants to complain but what is teh saying about its better to light a candle than curse the darkness... get in your local schools shine a light. Ask teachers about the text books and about their lesson plans and about standards then s...
I state this everytime a poll on teachers and public schools comes up. If teh public really wantsto improve public education than the public needs to get into those schools and see what is going on in them. The public needs to stop looking at schools as free daycare (k-5) or juvi hall (6-12). The public needs to stop dropping teh kids at teh door and forgetting about them for 7.5 hours or more. The public needs to start taking responsibility for what is being taught by attending school board meetings and voting wisely on school board members and school admin. the public wants to complain but what is teh saying about its better to light a candle than curse the darkness... get in your local schools shine a light. Ask teachers about the text books and about their lesson plans and about standards then start talking to your neighbors, other parenst, write articles in the paper
Because as my last principal total me when I went public on something I saw and caused a big brew hahah.... "IF the public KNEW what happended in here [public schools] the lid would blow off"
If you want to just go based on test scores then you would have to fire every single teacher out there including me, yet I have great success with many of my students, especially the "low preforming ones" because my philiosophy is to teach using connections to experences. (Oh I teach social studies which covers everything from history/govt to psy/mental health and street law).
There is no place in business where what the guy in the cubical next to you does determines if you keep your job. There is also no place in business where when employees fail the company president gets fired. The problem with tests they are not determinate of a students ability and many times students do not invest in the test results (this is what happends with standards testing) because the results of the tests do not go on the students records.
I have fellow teachers who ONLY grade based on test scores more than 45% of their students are failing or on the brink of failing, classwork, projects, partisipation, none of those count towards the students grade. Mostly because the teachers are to lazy (yes I went ...
If you want to just go based on test scores then you would have to fire every single teacher out there including me, yet I have great success with many of my students, especially the "low preforming ones" because my philiosophy is to teach using connections to experences. (Oh I teach social studies which covers everything from history/govt to psy/mental health and street law).
There is no place in business where what the guy in the cubical next to you does determines if you keep your job. There is also no place in business where when employees fail the company president gets fired. The problem with tests they are not determinate of a students ability and many times students do not invest in the test results (this is what happends with standards testing) because the results of the tests do not go on the students records.
I have fellow teachers who ONLY grade based on test scores more than 45% of their students are failing or on the brink of failing, classwork, projects, partisipation, none of those count towards the students grade. Mostly because the teachers are to lazy (yes I went there) to grade other works.
I also have teachers who do not test at all because the content doesn't lend itself to testing.
I only count tests scores as 30% of total grades and I allow several testing methods because when tests are the determination you have to consider things like is the student a poor test taker, does the student have other learning issues (more than 50% of my students read below a 3rd grade level, did I mention I teacher 9-12) is the student being cared for at home, sleep, food, security (maslows needs list) do they HAVE to hold a job to support the family? all this impacts students ability to learn successfuly.
BUT what has the most impact on student success is what is said about education and practiced in the home. If parents do not ask about what happened in class on a daily basis, if they do not ensure students study and do homework, if tehy tell the student the teachers are stupid and can't fail them or otherwise undermine the teachers authority in and out of the classroom then the student has no reason to sit up, be quiet, listen, take notes and learn. If parents do not come to parent teacher meetings if parents do not get involved with the school board if parents do not police the schools then education will never improve.
Its not the teachers who have total control. This is at least a 3 person system, the teacher, the student and the family. If we all do not take responsibility equally where we need to nothing happends.
Nothing they can do about it though, if they did, it would infringe on their "right to work"
quite a sad situation for unionless teachers all over the country.
I agree NCLB killed education but it was what the UNIONS wanted the UNIONS pushed it, developed it and demanded it become law which CONGRESS happily complied. And we haven't gotten rid of it some states have found ways to "opt" out but they just changed from one kind of test to another because UNIONS don't want teachers to have to work very hard.
I am a NON union teacher and the only thing being non union affects is my ability to have a union paid lawyer IF i need one, but I have pre paid legal as it is for my small home business and I can access that legal service if needed. My health care is covered bythe VA or if need be by my spouce's insurance so I do not need union for that and guess what I am smart enough to read a ballot and vote on my own I don't need to send money to have someone else tell me what is best politically. I am paid more now as a teacher than I was ever paid asa soldier and not because of anything union but because I keep advancing my own education and I have years of experence many other teachers do not have. The more education a teacher gets for themselves the more schools will pay them and that is no anything unions control.
And the blame bush doesn't work here I am a teacher and even during clintons years the union was pushing a form of NCLB so that is not going to work unions wanted NCLB not teachers and not government.
The schools by me are cutting 14 teaching positions and the class sizes are well over 30 students per class. If we know students perform better and learn more in smaller classes, why are we cutting teachers?
Did you watch the video? Teaching doesn't have anything to do with money. Parents home school their kids for free.
Those are the reason I got out of it almost as soon as I tried it and am trying to talk my daughter out of it. Oh ya, I also make more for better hours in the private sector and I get paid every month.
Look I teach, I am non union, I love my work and I really love my students (high school) and I use my weekends to write plans because most of my classes are non deteminant classes such as current events, government affairs, and street law (I teach social studies) which means the news cycle decides what will be taught in class the following week. I stay at least 3 hours after school every day to correct papers to imput grades and to be there if a student wants to talk about a bad break up with a gf/bf or just to see if I have an extra yogurt in the fridge because they won't get feed at home that night.
There are some sucky aspects to teaching but the aspects that dove me t...
Look I teach, I am non union, I love my work and I really love my students (high school) and I use my weekends to write plans because most of my classes are non deteminant classes such as current events, government affairs, and street law (I teach social studies) which means the news cycle decides what will be taught in class the following week. I stay at least 3 hours after school every day to correct papers to imput grades and to be there if a student wants to talk about a bad break up with a gf/bf or just to see if I have an extra yogurt in the fridge because they won't get feed at home that night.
There are some sucky aspects to teaching but the aspects that dove me to teach after 12+ years in the army and several years private sector are so very worth it... seeing that student everyone gave up on walk up and take that diploma or getting an announcement a former student graduated cum lauda... its not about money its about knowing I did something that benefited my society and will continue to do so even if I am no longer around.