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Taxes in America: how much longer do we tolerate taxes like these?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/04 18:38:36
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"Nothing is certain but death and taxes." But today we celebrate a time when Americans said they were done tolerating taxes like these:

The Molasses Act
of 1733, imposed taxes on imports of molasses, which were used
primarily for the production of rum. This tax was not passed to raise
revenue but to regulate trade. It was repealed in 1764.

The Sugar Act of 1764 is closely associated with the Molasses Act but it was a revenue raising tax that was also known as the American Revenue Act or the American Duties Act. It was repealed in 1766.

The Stamp Act of 1765 taxed every single piece of paper the Colonists used. It was repealed in 1766.

The Townshend Act of 1767 was a series of five Acts of indirect taxes placed on paper, paint, lead, glass and tea that were imported into the colonies. The implementation of this tax led to the occupation of Boston in 1768 and the subsequent Boston Massacre of 1770.

The Tea Act of 1773, contrary to popular belief, did not impose taxes but undercut the business of local merchants. (It did this by giving favored tax
treatment to the British East India Company.) The Tea Act is commonly
associated with the Boston Tea Party.


So what about it? Why do we tolerate a progressive income tax? But our Supreme Court just said that Congress can tax anything! So what do we do about it?

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  • mal 2012/07/04 19:10:40
    Fight! This is the sort of thing we fought against! If we don't fight now, wh...
    mal
    +13
    taxes and communism are the big problem. vote obama out people

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  • aneed2know 2012/07/05 04:36:58
    Undecided
    aneed2know
    +1
    as long as we want roads, police service, clean water, inspected food, electricity, libraries, schools, research and development and a military, that is how long.
  • TheTailor aneed2know 2012/07/05 12:38:57
    TheTailor
    We could cut in half what we pay and still have all that.
  • aneed2know TheTailor 2012/07/10 05:14:44
    aneed2know
    really how so, right now states are maintaining the bare minimal in emergency personnel, in fact you have one state who has a city with just two police officer and one cant even carry gun. No we cant have all that and continue with this insane policy of trickle down economics, you just cant.
  • TheTailor aneed2know 2012/07/10 12:17:17
  • aneed2know TheTailor 2012/07/11 06:49:17 (edited)
  • TheTailor aneed2know 2012/07/11 13:50:20 (edited)
  • aneed2know TheTailor 2012/07/12 04:26:45
    aneed2know
    No they dont, but your wife did not talk much that night either her gaping mouth was full , so i guess we are even.

    You want to insult, lets insult, you stupid, dumb hill jack of a Texan, i did not insult you, i did not come at your in any disrespectful way and yet you took the opportunity to insult, why?
  • lcky9 2012/07/05 03:55:28
    Fight! This is the sort of thing we fought against! If we don't fight now, wh...
    lcky9
    Sorry but I do believe that this is the tipping scale.. ever see people march to Washington with pitch forks and torches?? ME neither but I think there's a good chance that could happen.. HOWEVER .. they can all march to HYDE PARK in CHICAGO cause when the TAX sets in THAT is where OBAMA will again be living.. wonder why no one has connected MICHELLE'S pretend job at one of CHICAGO'S most expensive hospitals to this health care bill.. BTW she made a nice 100K a year for a job the made up and was SO important that they didn't even fill it again after she left.. GEE I wonder why..
  • Wulfdane 2012/07/05 03:33:09 (edited)
    Take it. We at least *have* representation.
    Wulfdane
    +1
    Whiskey Rebellion, suppressed by George Washington. Whiskey tax.

    Taxes have existed since before and after the founding of the US and will always exist.

    If you have problem with taxes, then win the hearts/minds of the people and convince them to vote for politicians who will lower tax rates. Taxes are a necessary evil and no civilization can exist without them.

    I do agree taxes are too high, but it is because of the demands society has placed on the government. Which is why I believe in a small Federal Government.
  • TheTailor Wulfdane 2012/07/05 12:42:02
    TheTailor
    The people didn't place the demands, politicians dream programs up to coerce the people for their own personal gain. Half of what's collected is spent on interest, stop deficit spending with a Balanced Budget Amendment.
  • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2012/07/05 03:21:42
    Fight! This is the sort of thing we fought against! If we don't fight now, wh...
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
  • Donnie 2012/07/05 02:37:26
  • TheTailor Donnie 2012/07/05 12:42:40
    TheTailor
    Irrelevant.
  • Donnie TheTailor 2012/07/06 00:48:06
  • TheTailor Donnie 2012/07/06 01:09:47
    TheTailor
    Independent, Obama doesn't pass tax law, the congress does. VOTE PROGRESSIVES AND RINO's OUT.
  • Devil's Advocate 2012/07/05 02:25:20
    Take it. We at least *have* representation.
    Devil's Advocate
    +2
    America is a very very low tax economy.
  • tommyg ... Devil's... 2012/07/05 03:03:52
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +2
    Exactly. But our leaders spend like we're not.
  • Rick tommyg ... 2012/07/05 03:19:50
    Rick
    +2
    that depends! If your part of the moocher class UBYSA they are low! My wife and I pay taxes = to my salary.
  • Pedro D... Devil's... 2012/07/05 03:57:31
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    It is someplace in the middle. We should strive to have something like Hong Kong. It is lower and has one of the lowest administrative costs (3rd lowest in the world). Problem with our tax system it is so convoluted that it pushes businesses to operate in ways that make no business sense, making them non-competitive or they move offshore. Not a healthy environment. This does not apply to the businesses that control the government and use them to create monopolies and use the tax code to destroy their compition. For the most part our tax code is used to keep people in their place.
  • Devil's... Pedro D... 2012/07/05 04:19:24
    Devil's Advocate
    +1
    Its pretty much at the bottom of developed nations, according to the OECD.
    Also, Hong Kongs economic model wouldnt work in the US, economic models have to reflect population, geography and resources. Whilst I am, in general, sceptical about the sustainability of the 'Tiger' model, I do admire how HK have made their little enclave work so well for them. HK is to capitalism what Norway is to social democracy haha.
    Well, academic work has proven inconclusive on whether tax systems do encourage or discourage investment. The consensus at present is that there is no race to the bottom or to the top and that investment decisions are based on more factors than tax alone.
  • Pedro D... Devil's... 2012/07/05 04:49:02
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    The tax code should be used to collect revenue and nothing else. It should be collected in the most neutral and simple manner possible and be totally transparent. What it should not be used for is economic policy, giving advantages to one party over another or should not be used to promote one industry over another, It should not be used for social policy either. It should collect revenue based on income or profit alone. Social and Economic policies should be addressed separately in legislative processes and not hidden in the tax code.
  • Devil's... Pedro D... 2012/07/05 04:57:07
    Devil's Advocate
    For the most part, I agree with you. I think taxation should be progressive, transparent, un-evadable and set to a level where it raises the revenue the country needs and no more and certainly not to provide any industry or special interest with competitive advantages.
    However, regards the point that it should not be used for social policy ends, I would say this- tax credits for low-income earners are in many ways more efficient than benefit cheques and the VAT rate should be looked at within the context of the wider distribution of the tax burden and its impact on lower income families.
  • aneed2know Pedro D... 2012/07/05 04:38:30
    aneed2know
    yeah and Hong Kong is a very dangerous city filled with corruption and organized crime, sure lets be like Hong Kong.
  • Pedro D... aneed2know 2012/07/05 06:32:41 (edited)
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    Hong Kong is ranked 12th in the world for LEAST corrupt, the United States is 24th.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/new...

    Hong Kong is ranked 40th in the world for total crime rate, the United States is ranked no 1. (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute).
    http://www.nationmaster.com/c...
    http://www.batgung.com/safety

    Your Google works as good as mine, or else you are just spreading disinformation.

    As for Me, I would take Hong Kong any day of the week

    httpwww batgung comsafety google works spreading disinformation hong kong week
    httpwww batgung comsafety google works spreading disinformation hong kong week

    over Detroit

    batgung comsafety google works spreading disinformation hong kong week detroit
    batgung comsafety google works spreading disinformation hong kong week detroit

    Detroit seems to be our economic model, I think that is going in the wrong direction.
    Honk Kong is a much better economic model.
  • aneed2know Pedro D... 2012/07/05 07:05:21
    aneed2know
    Okay i digress, i was wrong on those facts, but hey who would not want to live in a city and country with this going on:

    Polution in Hong Kong




    Polution in Hong Kong


    Polution in Hong Kong

    Polution in Hong Kong


    Polution in Hong Kong


    http://www.hardrainproject.co...


     Hong Kong s polluted water

    Yeah lets race to the bottom.
  • Pedro D... aneed2know 2012/07/05 08:22:25
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    Not saying it's not true, but I've never seen any bad pollution when in Hong Kong, always cloudy and lots of fog. I would guess that most of it comes from mainland China. That area is the most industrialized of China. Hong Kong sits at the mouth of the Pearl River delta. I would almost be certain that the beach is what has washed up from the mainland. Hong Kong used to be dirty when a British Colony. It's is almost as clean as Singapore now days.
  • aneed2know Pedro D... 2012/07/05 08:30:58
    aneed2know
    that's funny because i was in Hong Kong about a year and half ago and i saw lots of pollution and lots of poverty and god help you if you go through the back alleys, worse then Detroit could ever be. Oh an don't even get me talking about mainland China and the how they have destroyed almost all small tributaries and the pollution that is rampant there.

    I am wondering though how come you did not post a picture of the interior small cities of the American Midwest states like Oklahoma, Iowa, Illinois, Arkansas, or Southern States i have feeling you used Detroit as a punching bag, not realizing there are a helluva lot of cities that are experiencing the same industrial decline as Detroit. But only you can discern why you chose Detroit and not some other city say like in Iowa or Oklahoma.
  • Pedro D... aneed2know 2012/07/05 09:03:04
    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    I used Detriot because that is the one being bull dozed down. I think this is going to be the plan everywhere, Detroit is the best documented and ahead of everybody else. The problem of decline is in most all cities. I don't have pictures for Iowa or Oklahoma, im sure they would look or will look the same.
  • aneed2know Pedro D... 2012/07/05 09:44:22
    aneed2know
    +1
    okay i just wanted to make sure there was not some nefarious reason as to why.
  • Vision of Verve 2012/07/05 01:51:49
  • Rodney 2012/07/05 01:30:05
    Undecided
    Rodney
    +3
    If we were working at a rate as we once were, not hemorrhaging jobs off shore and wages weren't stuck in a rut. The taxes would less an issue. The bigger issue (IMO) is spending. We cannot continue spending SO much more then we take in. The left all blame Bush for the debt, but Bush's highest years of spending was when the Democrats took over Congress. They took an average deficit spending of 279.2 billion a year to where we are today (an average annual deficit of 1202.5 billion, to those who may want a better picture, that is 1.2025 TRILLION dollars a year or 4.35 times Bushes average).
  • tommyg ... Rodney 2012/07/05 03:10:56
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +1
    Well said.
  • Rodney tommyg ... 2012/07/05 03:26:47 (edited)
    Rodney
    +1
    Too many forget that the Democrats took over both houses in January 2007 and the first budget (2008) they passed was almost 3 times larger then the Republicans last budget and the following year (2009) was our first trillion dollar deficit.
  • tommyg ... Rodney 2012/07/05 03:32:48
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    Agreed.
  • aneed2know Rodney 2012/07/05 04:39:57
    aneed2know
    you just told a bald face lie, do you honestly believe everything you wrote, i gave you a rave because of the this part "If we were working at a rate as we once were, not hemorrhaging jobs off shore and wages weren't stuck in a rut."

    The rest is all Bull Shiat and you know it.
  • Rodney aneed2know 2012/07/05 05:06:30
    Rodney
    +1
    Oh, well here are the FACTS.
    2001 (Clinton/Republican Budget) Surplus 128.2 billion
    2002 (Bush/Republican budget) Deficit 157.8 billion
    2003 deficit 377.6 billion
    2004 deficit 412.7 billion
    2005 deficit 318.3 billion
    2006 deficit 248.2 billion
    2007 (last year of the Bush/Republican budgets) deficit 160.7 billion
    2008 (first year of Bush/Democrat budgets) deficit 458.6 billion
    2009 (Last Bush/ Democrat budget) deficit 1412.7 billion
    2010 (First Obama/Democrat Budget) deficit 1293.5
    2011 (Senate Never voted on a budget) deficit 1299.6 billion
    2012 (again, Harry Reid Never allow a Budget Vote) deficit 1327 billion
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sit...
    page 21 to 23
  • Beccy 2012/07/05 01:12:00
    Undecided
    Beccy
    +1
    I wondered that myself
  • Rusty 2012/07/05 01:01:25
    Fight! This is the sort of thing we fought against! If we don't fight now, wh...
    Rusty
    +3
    When all the wealthy people are gone, then only the government will have money and then the elections stop.
  • eyes wide open 2012/07/05 00:59:52
    Fight! This is the sort of thing we fought against! If we don't fight now, wh...
    eyes wide open
    +3
    the weak and lazy will always outnumber the strong , and if the strong are not very strong they will rule us . and here we are.
  • ss 2012/07/04 23:57:56
    Fight! This is the sort of thing we fought against! If we don't fight now, wh...
    ss
    +3
    The marxist, leftist, turds in this country are well aware of this one simple equation......Taxes = Power and Control. That is the sole purpose of Obama Care.

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