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Survey Confirms Right Wing Disconnect With Reality

ProudProgressive 2012/06/22 12:53:47

The disconnect between the Right Wing and reality seems to be growing larger by the day. And not only on Sodahead, where Right Wingers routinely embarrass themselves by claiming that there is no economic recovery, that the stimulus failed, that the President had nothing to do with getting bin Laden, that Bush had anything to do with getting bin Laden, and of course the champions of obliviousness, the birthers. The disconnect extends to rewriting history to deny that the Civil War had anything to do with slavery or that the New Deal didn't end the Great Depression and usher in half a century of our greatest prosperity. It isn't that Right Wingers are stupid (although some are) but rather an obsessive inability to accept that the universe simply is not what they want it to be. A recent survey out of Dartmouth University confirms that there is a real and serious disconnect among the Right Wing with proven reality. Why this happens is not clear. For some, such as the birthers, it seems to be a categorical rejection of the concept of a black President. For others, it may simply be the idea that if a Democrat does something it cannot be good, despite the improvement of their own lives that results.

Article excerpt follows:

Yes, Iraq Definitely Had WMD, Vast Majority Of Polled Republicans Insist
By Dan Froomkin
06/21/2012

WASHINGTON -- How misinformed are Republicans about world affairs? If presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's assertion that Russia is "without question our number one geopolitical foe" is any indication, then the answer would appear to be very.

A new poll supports that theory.

The poll, constructed by Dartmouth government professor Benjamin Valentino and conducted by YouGov from April 26 to May 2, found that fully 63 percent of Republican respondents still believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003. By contrast, 27 percent of independents and 15 percent of Democrats shared that view.

Jim Lobe, chief of the Inter Press Service's Washington bureau, reported the finding in his blog on Wednesday.

The Bush administration's insistence that the Iraqi government had weapons of mass destruction and might give them to terrorists was a key selling point in its campaign to take the country to war. It turned out to be untrue.

Debate continues over whether former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and other top officials knew there were no WMD, but intentionally deceived the American people and Congress because they were intent on attacking Iraq for less palatable reasons -- or whether they managed to convince themselves that it was true using cherry-picked intelligence.

There is no reality-based argument that Iraq actually had WMD, after extensive searches found none, but this is hardly the first time many Americans have been certain of something that simply wasn't true.

A Washington Post poll in September 2003 found that nearly 70 percent of all Americans were convinced that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks -- even though he was not.

Bush, Cheney and others consistently linked al Qaeda to Hussein in speeches they gave in the run-up to war, and the media rarely pushed back. But neither Bush nor Cheney continued to claim that there were actual WMDs in Iraq once the searches came up empty -- although they both continued to insist that Saddam had the "capability" to produce them.

Rather than a failure of the media, therefore, this latest poll result seems to indicate a refusal -- unique to the modern Republican Party -- to acknowledge facts.

According to this poll, an even larger proportion of Republican respondents who said Iraq had WMD -- 64 percent -- said they have either always believed (or have come to believe) that Barack Obama was born in another country, which he was not.

Overall, the poll found Republicans to be considerably more militaristic in their worldview than Democrats and independents.

In a finding that would indicate plenty of GOP support for yet another war in the Middle East, nearly two-thirds of Republicans said it's very likely that if Iran produces a nuclear weapon, it would use it against Israel.


Read More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/iraq-wmd-...

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  • aneed2know 2012/06/26 06:20:12
    aneed2know
    +2
    well after reading the first few republican replies, Dartmouth may be onto something.
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/06/24 16:30:27
    ★Calliope★
    Idiotic bunch of drivel.

    What can you expect from Huffington Post?
  • The_Infidel_Atheist 2012/06/24 03:51:19
    The_Infidel_Atheist
    +1
    They also believe Abraham Lincoln was a vampire hunter.
    abraham lincoln vampire hunter
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/23 18:18:15
    jackolantyrn356
    +2
    Ok, what's the breakdown? How many in survey, racisl makeup, Republ;ican or Marxist, and Verifycation and Vakidation oif the sampling. Any or all would be appropiate. Othersise you have a group of people which have no valid points to uphold.
  • ★Calliope★ jackola... 2012/06/24 16:31:05
    ★Calliope★
    Don't confuse 'em!
  • Cognito22 2012/06/23 16:40:14 (edited)
    Cognito22
    +2
    In an effort to scientifically validate the inferiority of Republicans, why do I have the feeling the next step is employing Goebbel-like propaganda to call for the extermination of this PLAGUE upon our nation. That way, we'll just have a ONE PARTY system which is the DESTINY OF THE FATHERLAND! . . . THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY OF AMERIKA!

    AND THERE WILL BE NO MORE QUESTIONING OF OUR GOD-LIKE FUHRER!

    Oops . . . sorry . . . got caught up in the passion of the moment.
    Hitler was such a passionate speaker . . . I can see how you were inspired by him, PP
    just as the original Progressive Party was inspired by him about a hundred years ago.
  • ProudPr... Cognito22 2012/06/23 20:54:44
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    You seem to be channelling the Republicans, my friend. You're the ones who have claimed that every Hispanic in America is a member of a Mexican drug cartel, that every Muslim in America is a terrorist, that every woman in America is a slut who has so much sex they can't afford the birth control, that homosexuals are vile and evil spreaders of disease, and so on. Just substitute "Aryan" for "Patriotic American" in any right Wing speech these days and you'll hear echoes of Berlin all around you.

    Besides, the Right Wing disconnect with reality is obvious beyond any given study. Just look at Fox. They exist for the sole purpose of presenting unreality as if it was "news".

    And by the way, 100 years ago Hitler was 23 years old and living in obscurity in Vienna. American Progressives were in no way inspired by Hitler, nor did they share his views on anything. If you really want to find a Nazi analogue, look to the Tea Party. They want to destroy their own government too.
  • ★Calliope★ Cognito22 2012/06/24 16:31:28
    ★Calliope★
    So very true!!
  • cowboy 2012/06/23 15:50:18
    cowboy
    Maybe the WMDs were there and maybe they were not. I am STILL glad Sadaam is not of this earth anymore.
  • ProudPr... cowboy 2012/06/23 20:55:00
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    They weren't there. That has been proven countless times.
  • MichaelWolfgang 2012/06/23 14:58:55
    MichaelWolfgang
    +2
    lost me at slavery part... it really was about southern command vs northern, slavery was one of the many things that were involved with the civil war. to say it was all about slavery is ridiculous, as it was about government control.
  • ProudPr... Michael... 2012/06/23 20:58:19
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    It was all about slavery. You ought to read the articles of secession that the various confederate states passed. The attempt to deny that slavery was the sole motivation for the Southern rebellion is one of the biggest propaganda efforts the Right Wing has ever undertaken, but its so ludicrous and so easily disproven that no one takes it seriously.

    South Carolina:

    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

    Mississippi:

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the w...
    It was all about slavery. You ought to read the articles of secession that the various confederate states passed. The attempt to deny that slavery was the sole motivation for the Southern rebellion is one of the biggest propaganda efforts the Right Wing has ever undertaken, but its so ludicrous and so easily disproven that no one takes it seriously.

    South Carolina:

    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

    Mississippi:

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
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  • Risk 2012/06/23 13:14:30
    Risk
    Survey Confirms Left Wing Disconnect With Reality ... PROOF BELOW !

  • ProudPr... Risk 2012/06/23 14:45:35 (edited)
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    So did the conservatives ever get off the escalator, or did they spend the rest of the day trying to figure out how President Obama secretly stopped the escalator as part of his vast conspiracy to force people to use elevators instead?

    (PS That IS a funny clip, I must admit.)
  • my2cents Risk 2012/06/23 17:42:34 (edited)
    my2cents
    +1
    LOL! What makes you think these two people are Democrats? Because the guy is black? Are there no black Republicans?
  • Risk my2cents 2012/06/24 13:42:55
    Risk
    No, it's because Democrats are the ones that have become dependent on others to solve their problems other then doing it themselves.
  • my2cents Risk 2012/06/24 18:21:54
    my2cents
    +1
    Republicans are dependent on magical thinking to solve problems.

    Perhaps you're right. Conservatives would have held a prayer vigil and waited for God to save them.
  • Risk my2cents 2012/06/25 12:47:59
    Risk
    ....and the Liberals solved all the problems by holding hands and shouting " Yes We Can " .
  • my2cents Risk 2012/06/25 15:35:21
    my2cents
    +1
    Make up your mind! Either Dems are helpless or self-motivated, they can't be both!

    What we are certain of is those conservatives are still on that escalator waiting for God to get it moving again.
  • shadow76 2012/06/23 12:58:06
    shadow76
    Oh a poll of progressives by progressives, that is really going to be unbiased...,NOT!
  • ProudPr... shadow76 2012/06/23 14:46:52
    ProudProgressive
    The survey was done by Dartmouth University of a random sample of the public. Not everyone is a progressive yet. Give us about five more years. By then the Republicans will have all self-destructed.
  • shadow76 ProudPr... 2012/06/23 16:50:35
    shadow76
    Is that supposed to impress me? Not everyone ever will be!
  • Angus 2012/06/23 12:09:26
    Angus
    +2
    You are an embarrassment even to the dumbest of liberals out there. Your incoherent ramble just shows a delusional and disconnected from reality you truly are which by the way makes you the perfect Obama follower. However, I will pray for you hoping that one day you will wake up from the Obama Kool Aid induced coma and realize what you have done.
  • ProudPr... Angus 2012/06/23 14:48:04
    ProudProgressive
    Try learning the English language and everything around you might not baffle you so much.
  • Cognito22 ProudPr... 2012/06/23 16:08:11
    Cognito22
    , replies the compassionate and self-righteous Liberal.
  • ProudPr... Cognito22 2012/06/23 20:59:10
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    He does this all the time. Pops in, spouts some incoherent nonsense, then retreats back to the caves.
  • Angus ProudPr... 2012/06/23 16:17:13
    Angus
    +1
    Try using your brain even if it is very small. You may actually sound somewhat intelligent. However, your response proofs that you're not.
  • Sinpac Angus 2012/06/23 21:36:41
    Sinpac
    Hurry back to the caves.
  • Angus Sinpac 2012/06/24 15:29:41
    Angus
    Why don't you take that big gun of yours and do us all a favor.......................
  • Sinpac Angus 2012/06/24 17:53:37
    Sinpac
    So long for a self inflrcted gun shot
  • Sinpac Angus 2012/06/24 17:53:56 (edited)
    Sinpac
    To long for a self inflicted gun shot. But I am pretty good at 450 yards. I bet that round would bounce around in a cave pretty good.
  • Angus Sinpac 2012/06/25 12:05:29
    Angus
    My distance is 1200 yds. Bring it on ;-)
  • Sinpac Angus 2012/06/25 22:24:49
    Sinpac
    Thats pretty good, But I can only go out 450 because that all the room I have.
  • Angus Sinpac 2012/06/26 10:49:25
    Angus
    +1
    Darn. I go to a sniper range close by.
  • Maynard 2012/06/23 11:18:23
    Maynard
    +3
    Iraq DID have them.

    They used them against Iran.

    They used them against the Kurds.

    Clinton bombed them in 98.

    Hillary and Biden, along with other leading Dems leading up the the Iraq war said this, in UNISON.

    "Iraq, left wth nuclear, biologica and chemical weapons in not acceptable to the American People."


    AND WHEN NONE WERE FOUND IT WAS ALL BUSH'S FAULT?
  • Mack Maynard 2012/06/23 14:29:29
    Mack
    +2
    Wow...someone who actually knows what they're talking about! Excellent post!!!
  • ProudPr... Maynard 2012/06/23 14:51:42 (edited)
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    The only WMDs Iraq ever had were given to him by Ronald Reagan in the hopes they would be used against Iran (which Reagan had, of course, also supplied with arms as part of the deal to hold our hostages and sabotage the Carter Administration). That was in the late 1980s. He never had WMDs again.

    It was not Bush's fault that none were found. None were there, and Bush knew that before he lied to Congress to get us into a war

    You are the PERFECT example of what this survey found. It's ten years later and you STILL are buying into the proven lies.

    And the funniest part is that we've known for years that there were no WMDs in Iraq yet you and the other low capacity conservatives are STILL arguing the point!
  • Cognito22 ProudPr... 2012/06/23 16:11:07
    Cognito22
    +1
    If that dead horse wasn't dead, I'd feel sorry for it.
    You've beaten it to the point where it's not even fit for dog food.

    I'm retired so I have nothing better to do . . . you?
  • Maynard ProudPr... 2012/06/24 11:23:18
    Maynard
    You called Clinton a Liar, LOVE IT.

    You admit that Clinton was wrong, bwaa haa haa.

    WERE YOU UPSET THE DAY CLINTON BOMBED THEM IN 98?



    Oh so funny.
  • George ... ProudPr... 2012/06/25 16:33:57
    George Bratcher
    It's a total myth that Reagan gave them WMD, actually it was Jimmy Carter who gave them "agricultural credits" which they then used to buy weapons from the Soviet Union and China to use against Iran.

    How come no one remembers it was Jimmy Carter who started the "warm fuzzy" relationship with Saddam to get back at Iran for embarrassing him with the hostage situation?
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