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Supreme Court Strikes Down Law Barring Lies About Military Medals

ProudProgressive 2012/06/29 04:22:06
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This was a busy day in the political world, between the Supreme Court's announcement of its decision in the Health Care Reform Law case and the Republican House's contempt vote against Eric Holder. But the Supreme Court issued another ruling today that seems to have gotten lost in the hubbub. I know that my liberal friends and my conservative friends share my respect for the brave men and women that bear the uniform of this country and keep us all safe, so I didn't want this story to just get lost. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this one. Is it ok to lie about a military achievement someone never did or are there limits to what constitutes free speech?

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Supreme Court Strikes Down Law Barring Lies About Military Medals
By Debra Cassens Weiss
Jun 28, 2012

The U.S. Supreme Court has struck down a law that makes it a crime to lie about earning military medals.

Six justices agreed that the law violates the First Amendment. A concurrence by two of those justices, however, gives Congress a chance to redraft the statute to avoid the constitutional problem, SCOTUSblog reports. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote the plurality opinion striking down the law.

The Stolen Valor Act makes it a crime for a person to falsely claim to have received a military medal. A water district official from Pomona, Calif., was accused of violating the law when he asserted at a public meeting that he was a retired Marine who had received the Medal of Honor.

"Lying was his habit," Kennedy wrote at the beginning of his plurality opinion. "Xavier Alvarez, the respondent here, lied when he said that he played hockey for the Detroit Red Wings and that he once married a starlet from Mexico. But when he lied in announcing he held the Congressional Medal of Honor, respondent ventured onto new ground; for that lie violates a federal criminal statute, the Stolen Valor Act of 2005."

Alvarez pleaded guilty while reserving the right to challenge the law. His conviction must be overturned, Kennedy said in a plurality opinion joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor.

Kennedy said content-based restrictions on speech required exacting scrutiny, and the statute can't survive under that standard. "Permitting the government to decree this speech to be a criminal offense, whether shouted from the rooftops or made in a barely audible whisper, would endorse government authority to compile a list of subjects about which false statements are punishable," Kennedy wrote.

"Were this law to be sustained, there could be an endless list of subjects the national government or the states could single out. Where false claims are made to effect a fraud or secure moneys or other valuable considerations, say offers of employment, it is well established that the government may restrict speech without affronting the First Amendment. ... But the Stolen Valor Act is not so limited in its reach."

Justice Stephen G. Breyer concurred in the judgment in an opinion joined by Justice Elena Kagan. He said the statute violates the First Amendment, but the government might be able to achieve its objectives "in less burdensome ways" with a "more finely tailored statute." Congress could determine that some military medals deserve more protections than others, he said, or it might punish military medal lies that cause on specific or material harm.

The case is United States v. Alvarez.

Read More: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/stolen_valo...

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  • Zuggi 2012/06/29 05:22:03
    I agree with the ruling. Freedom of speech includes freedom to lie.
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    The result here sucks, but free speech applies to scum too.

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  • elijahin24 2012/07/05 13:47:08
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    elijahin24
    This is a tough one. On one hand, it is disgraceful that people do this (and they do); but I don't think it should be illegal. SCOTUS got this one right. It's just unfortunate that it's an issue at all.
  • Call me Mark willya? 2012/06/29 19:13:20
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    I do support freedom of speech, and if someone wants to lie about military achievements so be it, that only reflects their character, showing that they were too afraid to actually do the things they claim and that they are willing to lie about it speaks to their credibility. That being said, I believe that if someone is actually PROVEN to be lying about winning a ribbon or medal or whatever award or achievement they are claiming. Well, is it legal represent yourself as BEING a military officer? Is it legal to lie about BEING a police officer? Allowing someone to lie about military medals or any other achievement is fine. Lying is fine, but anything gained by said lie should be taken away when the story is proven false!

    I know I personally don't take well to liars and cowards. I tend to disassociate myself from them if at all possible, and if not possible, Well let's just say I'll only put up with crap for so long and sooner or later the temper will win. Look for things to get broken, mostly belonging to the liar, and mostly internally. I don't really know how to fight, I know how to break people. Fighting takes too long.
  • Heptarch 2012/06/29 16:09:48 (edited)
    I disagree with the ruling. Fraud is unacceptable.
    Heptarch
    Horrible ruling. But I'm biased, I suppose. I earned what I earned and nothing more. I would never even consider pinning a medal on my uniform that I didn't earn.

    Though it does appear that there will still be a law on the books once Congress takes another pass at it.
  • JaguarSocialist 2012/06/29 13:38:03
    I agree with the ruling. Freedom of speech includes freedom to lie.
    JaguarSocialist
    Whether I like it or not, the law was just plain stupid.
  • shrfu31 2012/06/29 11:40:39
    I agree with the ruling. Freedom of speech includes freedom to lie.
    shrfu31
    It's a stupid thing to lie about but until we can make being stupid illegal, we might as well allow the stupid as many ways as possible to identify themselves.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/06/29 05:49:22 (edited)
    I agree with the ruling. Freedom of speech includes freedom to lie.
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +2
    As stated in reply to you elsewhere.

    I HATE the ruling (and I haven't read the facts yet, but I will), but it sounds correct to me on the issue.

    Lies are protected as free speech all the time -- religious leaders promising salvation, exaggerations by politicians, promises people have no intention of keeping, extramarital affairs. It's rarely the LIE that is the legal problem, it's some action that accompanies it.

    P.S. I'm glad you wrote this blog. :)
  • ProudPr... jubil8 ... 2012/06/29 11:35:38
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    I unfortunately have to agree with you on this one (not that its unfortunate that we agree LOL). If we were to impose a standard that only truth is protected by the First Amendment there would be lawsuits every time someone makes a misstatement by accident or has too many typos. On the other hand, when the speech is for the purpose of falsely obtaining some advantage (like lying on a resume to get a job, lying about eligibility for some sort of reward, etc.) I'm not so sure.
  • jubil8 ... ProudPr... 2012/06/29 23:08:51
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    I absolutely agree with you. I think you can say that any lie is to get some advantage, otherwise why bother? But the slippery slope of only protecting truth is just too great.

    I hope this dirtball didn't get any material advantage out of his terrible lie(s). :)
  • twocrows 2012/06/29 05:29:08 (edited)
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    twocrows
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    this is a one of those times I'm glad I'm not a member of SCOTUS. it's a tough call.

    on the one hand, the point is well taken that this could open the floodgates to all sorts of speech that could be deemed "unacceptable". could we get arrested for criticizing the president or a member of Congress? everyone in the country would be in prison.

    otoh, if claiming to have received a medal one did not earn brings about monetary reward, that's a clear case of fraud. or if it causes harm to another, it COULD result in a crime having been committed. is speech that defrauds or hurts someone else protected?

    this seems, to me, to be a clear case of, "Congress, go back and craft a better law - one that will pass constitutional muster."
  • Zuggi 2012/06/29 05:22:03
    I agree with the ruling. Freedom of speech includes freedom to lie.
    Zuggi
    +3
    The result here sucks, but free speech applies to scum too.
  • luvguins 2012/06/29 04:47:41
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    luvguins
    +2
    Part of me says agree, and part says disagree. Seems to be too much free speech behaving badly that we allow theses days. If claiming medals for monetary gain, fraud, or employment it would be good to have some other avenue for punishment if a crime can't be proven.
  • Mel 2012/06/29 04:35:38
    I disagree with the ruling. Fraud is unacceptable.
    Mel
    +1
    A fraud should be busted especially someone that lies about their service to their country saying they served in combat or won medals for valor. They had a guy on America's Got Talent like 2 weeks ago that was exposed for lying saying he was wounded in action and that's the reason he stuttered, turns out he lied about the whole thing

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