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Supreme Court Says Buy Health Insurance Or Be Taxed More. Do you agree?

Foxhound BN0 2012/06/28 14:15:13
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The Supreme court ruled that while Congress cannot make you get health insurance, you can be taxed more if you don't. Do you agree with their verdict?

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  • Philo-OOO For 3 weeks! 2012/06/28 16:43:27
    I disagree with the verdict.
    Philo-OOO For 3 weeks!
    +35
    Completely unconstitutional. SCOTUS cannot institute a tax, neither can POTUS. Bad law, worse medicine. Welcome to the USSA, comrades!
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  • JAA ALofRI 2012/07/02 04:02:14 (edited)
    JAA
    Spock (you spelled his name wrong, geek wanna be) would be very proud of me. In fact, I'm married to a Spock life form & he thinks I'm great in the "logical" & intellectual realm. I believe he would also see the logic in removing the liberal from political discourse. ;-)
  • jere.ch... ALofRI 2012/07/01 20:52:27
    jere.chievres
    Bugger off on that one!
  • merlins... All Ame... 2012/07/02 15:31:21
    merlinskiss
    The deadbeats they penalize (or tax) is no skin off my teeth. You haven't haven read about it and certainly don't understand who the penalty applies to. You are believing the hype being put out by the radical right wing.
  • All Ame... merlins... 2012/07/02 15:49:17
    All American
    Here's some additional taxes that will go into effect from Obamacare:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blog...

    The largest tax increase in history in addition to the tax penalty.
  • merlins... All Ame... 2012/07/02 17:20:17
    merlinskiss
    Rodger Riney owns Scottrade. What do you know about him? Hmmm, right winged maybe? Not a fan of helping the sheeple? Old fashioned and tight lipped about what he supports but linked to the Mitt Romney site? And he uses Scottrade just like the owners of Fox use it. Bet you don't have a clue how that was researched.

    Henry Blodget is a former equity research analyst, currently banned from the securities industry. What a reference.

    I did this for grins but am done. You should learn to learn. Might shed some light on the total crap being put put by the Dems and Repubs and let you get at some reality.
  • Cyan9 2012/06/30 14:16:04
    I agree with the verdict.
    Cyan9
    +5
    A penalty and a tax have always been the same thing. It's semantics. It's as equally absurd to pretend that the revenue the individual mandate will generate is somehow a completely death crushing tax on the middle class. First off, this only affects those without insurance and will affect only 2-5% of the population. Furthermore it's an elective tax such as any other excise tax. Lastly the tax burden of the mandate is extremely low: For the year 2014, an annual tax of $95, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater that will rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016. Exemptions to the tax in cases of financial hardship or religious beliefs are permitted
  • Studied Cyan9 2012/06/30 15:22:06
    Studied
    Plus it provides credits for those that cannot afford to pay the fine, tax, penalty or whatever you want to call it. So now, who do you suppose is going to have to really pay for this?
  • ALofRI Studied 2012/06/30 15:40:22
    ALofRI
    +1
    It will be cheaper than ER costs.
  • jere.ch... Studied 2012/07/01 13:43:48
    jere.chievres
    The ones that work for a living.
  • rustex782 2012/06/30 14:00:02
    I disagree with the verdict.
    rustex782
    +3
    i say make a law to get rid of medical insurance altogether
  • Jibbyman 2012/06/30 13:56:48
    I disagree with the verdict.
    Jibbyman
    +2
    Welcome to socialism, rationing of healthcare, a board of 15 unelected deciders of everyones fate. If my daughter had been born under this law she would not have seen her 1st birthday. They would have let her die. Who cares now Democrats or Republicans. The Democratic socailist party has given you FREE healthcare because they care my ass.
  • Idiot r... Jibbyman 2012/06/30 14:31:50
  • Jibbyman Idiot r... 2012/06/30 17:11:47
    Jibbyman
    +1
    I'm not going to get in a pissing match with a mental midget. Your screen name says it all.
  • Idiot r... Jibbyman 2012/06/30 17:46:55
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    Idiot repub, let me guess you didn't bother to read the whole thing did you?
  • jere.ch... Jibbyman 2012/07/01 20:54:24
    jere.chievres
    +1
    I agree that guy is dumber than a bag of hammers
  • Tombo 2012/06/30 13:18:55
    I disagree with the verdict.
    Tombo
    +2
    We are on the road to serfdom!

    The Road to Serfdom
  • ALofRI Tombo 2012/06/30 15:46:20
    ALofRI
    +1
    Only if we let Romney and his billionaires take over the country and start collecting all the money they've invested in him! People like the Kochs, Addelson, Hugo Sanchez, etc., and a few other countries that don't like U.S.
  • Tombo ALofRI 2012/06/30 20:06:16
    Tombo
    +1
    Beware, the greedy hand of GOVERNMENT thrusting itself into ever corner and crevice of industry. -Thomas Paine
  • Picasso's Cat 2012/06/30 12:43:17
    Undecided / Other
    Picasso's Cat
    +3
    This whole thing is stupid, people are stupid.
    If you don't subscribe to that health care and decide not to buy in to it and don't buy healthcare than the IRS will charge you a fee, but they can not force you to pay it!
    That's right, the health care act states the IRS can't take money from your bank account, they can't forclose on or seize your home or anything else if you don't pay the health care tax, all they can do is tell you that you owe the money, THAT'S IT !!!!
    I won't be paying any health care tax, and I won't buy any health care either, and there is nothing the IRS can do to me, the law states so!
    It's a fail-safe mandate in the law incase millions of Americans don't pay, so they can just say you owe the money but never collect.
    And I would rather owe the money to my government than cheat them out of it, Lol.
    This health care thing is nothing to worry about, not a big America destroying thing delusional people are telling you it is, Lol.

    the sky is falling
  • gil vaz... Picasso... 2012/06/30 13:17:05
    gil vazquez
    +1
    You are absolutely right! But really you should pay the stupid little tax because if you really get hurt, you won't have to feel guilty about using the Emergency room. Just saying.....
  • Picasso... gil vaz... 2012/07/01 15:50:13
    Picasso's Cat
    I won't feel guilty, Lol.
    I have always paid as I go, never taking welefare medical, but just paying for my own medical when i need it. In the last 10 years I have spent $3500 on medical. Had I purchased medical insurance I would have spent almost $14,000.
    So i will continue to be my own decision maker in my wn medical, as i take care of myself and eat nutritious, so why should i be penalized for being responsible?
    And I won't be !
  • gil vaz... Picasso... 2012/07/01 17:41:23
    gil vazquez
    +1
    I'm sure you'll stay healthy for the rest of your life. But if the day comes when you really need it and it's extremely expensive? I bet you you will break down and buy insurance now that you won't be able to be disciminated for any condition. I wish you great health really.
  • Picasso... gil vaz... 2012/07/02 01:08:47
    Picasso's Cat
    Nope, your wrong. I will most likely in that event let whatever it is take my lifeif i can not pay for it myself.
    Because I'm not afraid of death, I have lived before, and will again if this life ends for me. Those who live respectable lives, live another one.
  • gil vaz... Picasso... 2012/07/02 02:20:31
    gil vazquez
    Okay but how many lives would you allow to die because you don't like the bill?The lack of medical coverage in America is a serious problem as approximately 50 million people were uninsured all through 2010. But the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was passed in 2010, was constitutional. The legislation, once implemented in its entirety, is expected to cover 30 million Americans currently lacking coverage.
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    The lack of medical insurance has had grave consequences for individuals and the nation. In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week. However, some states fared better than others. Based on the latest report by Families USA, a health care consumer advocacy group, 24/7 Wall St. identified the 10 states with the highest number of deaths per 100,000 people due to a lack of insurance.
    24/7 Wall St.: Eight states slashing local funding
    Not surprisingly, nearly all of the states with the most residents dying due to a lack of insurance also had high numbers of uninsured residents. Seven of the states on the list were among the 10 states with the highest percentage of people without health coverage. Seven of the states were also in th...




















































    Okay but how many lives would you allow to die because you don't like the bill?The lack of medical coverage in America is a serious problem as approximately 50 million people were uninsured all through 2010. But the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was passed in 2010, was constitutional. The legislation, once implemented in its entirety, is expected to cover 30 million Americans currently lacking coverage.
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    The lack of medical insurance has had grave consequences for individuals and the nation. In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week. However, some states fared better than others. Based on the latest report by Families USA, a health care consumer advocacy group, 24/7 Wall St. identified the 10 states with the highest number of deaths per 100,000 people due to a lack of insurance.
    24/7 Wall St.: Eight states slashing local funding
    Not surprisingly, nearly all of the states with the most residents dying due to a lack of insurance also had high numbers of uninsured residents. Seven of the states on the list were among the 10 states with the highest percentage of people without health coverage. Seven of the states were also in the bottom 10 for the lowest rates of private insurance coverage.
    People without health insurance often forgo medical treatment for different reasons. According to Families USA, a supporter of President Obama’s health care reform law, uninsured adults are nearly four times more likely than insured adults to delay or avoid preventive care screening due to cost. Uninsured adults are also nearly seven times more likely to go without needed care due to cost than privately insured adults.
    “You still see a very, very strong correlation between uninsurance and poor health-care outcomes — including mortality — and [that is] because people aren’t getting the type of care that they need,” Kim Bailey, the research director for Families USA, told 24/7 Wall St.
    Many of the states with high death rates due to a lack of insurance also were among the poorest states in the country. The top seven states on this list also are among the 10 states with the highest poverty rates. Every state on this list is in the top half.
    Poor health also appears to play an important role. States with high death rates due to lack of insurance had a high percentage of people with lifestyle-related risk factors for poor health. Of the states on our list, five of them have among the 10 highest percentages of smokers and among the 10 lowest percentages of people who eat vegetables at least three times a day. Four have among the 10 highest proportions of overweight or obese adults. Seven states on the list were in the bottom 10 in terms of life expectancy.
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    24/7 Wall St.: Countries that spend the most on health care
    Based on Families USA’s report, “Dying for Coverage: The Deadly Consequences of Being Uninsured,” 24/7 Wall St. identified the 10 states with the highest number of deaths from being uninsured per 100,000 residents. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the methodology used by Families USA, first developed in 2002 by the Institute of Medicine, to determine excess mortality from being uninsured. This method considers the proportion of people who are insured and uninsured, the mortality risks for the uninsured and the number of expected deaths from a hypothetical fully insured population. 24/7 Wall St. also identified poverty rates and median income by state, provided by the U.S. Census Bureau. The Kaiser Family Foundation’s website — Statehealthfacts.org — provided health-related data, including life expectancy, obesity and diabetes rate.
    These are the 10 states dying for health coverage.
    1. Mississippi
    • Excess deaths from a lack of insurance (per 100,000): 15.82
    • Percent of population uninsured: 18.2 percent (ninth highest)
    • Percent living below the poverty line: 22.4 percent (tied for the highest)
    • Life expectancy at birth: 74.81 years (The lowest)
    Many residents of Mississippi cannot afford insurance. The state has the lowest median income in the nation and the highest percentage of residents living below the poverty line. As a result, Mississippi has the second-lowest percentage of residents with private health insurance coverage, at 56.49 percent. Exacerbating the problem, residents are especially unhealthy. Among all states, Mississippi has the second-highest obesity rate, the second-highest percentage of adults with diabetes and the fifth-highest percentage of adult smokers in the nation. Probably on account of both high uninsurance rates and poor personal health, Mississippi is the only state where life expectancy was below 75 years at birth in 2010. Mississippi’s excess death rate was the highest among all states and twice that of 28 states in 2010.
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    2. Louisiana
    • Excess deaths from a lack of insurance (per 100,000): 14.94
    • Percent of population uninsured: 17.8 percent (10th highest)
    • Percent living below the poverty line: 18.7 percent (sixth highest)
    • Life expectancy at birth: 75.39 years (fourth lowest)
    Louisiana has one of the lowest life expectancies at birth in the U.S. at 75.4 years. Though much of this certainly can be attributed to poor health choices — the state has a higher number of smokers and its residents eat comparatively little fruit or vegetables — the inability of many residents to receive proper care due to lack of insurance is also a contributing factor. In Louisiana, 17.8 percent of the population goes without health insurance, despite the fact that 21.9 percent of the population qualifies for Medicaid — the fifth-highest proportion among all 50 states. The high uninsurance rate is partly due to the relative economic disadvantage of the state’s residents. With 18.7 percent of residents living below the poverty line — the sixth-highest rate in the nation — and a median income that is more than $5,000 lower than the U.S. average, just 58.39 percent of state residents have private insurance. That is the fourth-lowest such rate in the nation.
    3. Arkansas
    • Excess deaths from a lack of insurance (per 100,000): 13.49
    • Percent of population uninsured: 17.5 percent (tied for 12th highest)
    • Percent living below the poverty line: 18.8 percent (fifth highest)
    • Life expectancy at birth: 76.09 years (sixth lowest)
    According to the Council for Community and Economic Research’s ACCRA Cost of Living Index, Arkansas had the second-lowest cost of health care in the United States. However, with 18.8 percent of the population living below the poverty line and a median annual household income of just $38,307 — both among the lowest figures for any state — many Arkansans cannot afford private health coverage. As a result, just 58.78 percent of the population has private insurance, the sixth-lowest figure in the country.
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    4. South Carolina
    • Excess deaths from a lack of insurance (per 100,000): 13.48
    • Percent of population uninsured: 17.5 percent (tied for 12th highest)
    • Percent living below the poverty line: 18.2 percent (seventh highest)
    • Life expectancy at birth: 76.57 years (ninth lowest)
    South Carolina is not a particularly healthy state: 67.4 percent of the state’s residents are either overweight or obese, just 23.3 percent eat proper amounts of fruit, only 22.9 percent eat proper amounts of vegetables and 10.7 percent are diabetic. All of these are among the highest rates in the country. Meanwhile, much of the cost of health care falls to private individuals. The state spent about $6,300 per person on health care in 2009, among the lowest levels, and just 51.9 percent of residents have employer-based health coverage. Unfortunately, South Carolinians have trouble affording insurance on their own: Median income was just $42,000 in 2010, significantly lower than the $50,000 national average, 18.2 percent of residents live below the poverty line and the cost of health care is higher than is the case in many states.
    5. New Mexico
    • Excess deaths from a lack of insurance (per 100,000): 12.15
    • Percent of population uninsured: 19.6 percent (sixth highest)
    • Percent living below the poverty line: 20.4 percent (tied for the highest)
    • Life expectancy at birth: 78.21 years (20th lowest)
    New Mexico has a fairly healthy population, with relatively low heart disease and obesity rates. However, just 55.8 percent of residents have private health insurance — the lowest rate of any state in the country. One possible reason is that few employers provide insurance — just 45.6 percent of the population has employer-based health coverage. The relative poverty of the state also means many residents cannot afford medical coverage. The median income in the state was just above $42,000 in 2010, far below the national median of about $50,000, while 20.4 percent of people live below the poverty line — the highest rate in the country.
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    I Really I wish you well. Just a little food for thought.
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  • Picasso... gil vaz... 2012/07/03 13:20:17
    Picasso's Cat
    I never said I did not like the plan!!!!!!
    I think it will be great for hundreds of thousands of people who do not have health care.
    And I don't have the power to make decisions that would allow people to die, our political leaders do, and so far they have been willing to let many die, as we can see with wars we get involved in.
    I have always paid my own way for medical and dental, that's just me, and I have done so because I save thousands from doing so.
    I live a healthy lifestyle, eat right, take vitamins, and don't drink ( a glass of white wine once in a while). I don't eat junk food.
    So my health care has been minimal, and I can't see why i should pay into a system that pays for others health care that are not responsible when I am.
    So I will not pay into it, it's as simple as that.
    But I think it's a good thing for alot of people who have no option on healthcare.
    I understand your point, and you wrote way to much, but you don't understand my point.
  • Tombo Picasso... 2012/06/30 13:18:05
    Tombo
    Say hello to the
    Tim Man!
  • Picasso... Tombo 2012/07/01 15:54:39
    Picasso's Cat
    Tim Man ??????
  • Tombo Picasso... 2012/07/03 23:34:47
  • Picasso... Tombo 2012/07/03 23:49:55
    Picasso's Cat
    I believe he's called the "Tin" man, not the Tim man..
    And I blow steam out of my ass, Lol!!!!
  • Lee Picasso... 2012/06/30 13:37:57 (edited)
    Lee
    Wrong.

    Have fun in Federal Prison.

    All governments have the power of coercion.
  • Picasso... Lee 2012/07/01 15:53:33
    Picasso's Cat
    NOT!
    It's written law nuckle-head.
    You are the example of what republicans want you to think, and republicans are so wrong about this.
    But you go ahead and believe what you want.
  • Lee Picasso... 2012/07/01 16:21:57
    Lee
    I have no idea what your talking about.

    . . . And I'm guessing you don't either.
  • Picasso... Lee 2012/07/02 01:10:41
    Picasso's Cat
    Indeed my friend, so let's just leave it at that since you cannot grasp the concept.
  • Lee Picasso... 2012/07/02 01:51:25
    Lee
    There's a concept?
  • Picasso... Lee 2012/07/03 23:51:57
    Picasso's Cat
    Like i said, you can't understand nucklehead.
  • Studied Picasso... 2012/06/30 15:30:59
    Studied
    +1
    Actually since theSupremes stated this is not a Mandated fine as stated by the bill, but instead a tax, the IRS now has the power to take it right out of your paycheck or your refund. The government has the right to impose and enforce any tax.
  • Picasso... Studied 2012/07/02 01:13:33
    Picasso's Cat
    True, they can do that, but I figure my taxes so I always owe, even if it's just $40, I always owe, because i like to keep my money and not let the IRS hold it at interest till the end of the year.
    And they can only take any refund, they can not take your paycheck, that is written right into the health care act.
  • Freedom... Picasso... 2012/06/30 18:43:33
    FreedomFighter
    +1
    Wrong, if you do not pay taxes the government can seize your property.
  • Picasso... Freedom... 2012/07/02 01:16:28
    Picasso's Cat
    If you don't pay taxes that's right, but the health care act is a penalty tax, not an income tax, there is a difference.
    And the health care act clearly states the IRS can not seize anything if a person does not pay it.
  • explorer1618 2012/06/30 12:36:26
    I agree with the verdict.
    explorer1618
    +3
    GOP can well --- you know !

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