Supreme Court Refuses To Hear Obama Birth Certificate Challenge, Should They Hear The birthers claims?
American☆Atheist
2012/06/11 17:57:56
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Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/11 21:08:40no






















It would put the issue away since obama, who could do it easily, refuses by hiding his records.
He is hiding his records.
For example, there has been little to no outcry against John McCain’s run for Presidency, despite the fact that he was born in Panama. As such, Senator McCain is a citizen and not a natural born citizen.
Why should we focus upon the eligibility of one and not the other? Is it not possible that much of the momentum behind the birther movement is motivated by our commander in chief’s skin pigmentation?
There has been questions about McCain's eligibilty, the Congress investigated the issue and passed the resolution that since he was born on the US military base and both of his parents were citizens then he is in fact a natural born citizen.
None of that applies to obama. His father was Kenyan and a British subject, his mother was underage. Then there are questions about his birthplace. Assuming that he was born in Hawaii his father was not a citizen which does not meet the Constitutional definition of natural born citizen.
You are willing to accept the Senate Resolution 511, a resolution affirming Senator McCain citizenship. Why are you reluctant to accept Senate Resolution 225, a resolution affirming President Obama’s citizenship?
How is the age of President Obama's mother the least bit relevant? Citizenship is not dependent upon the age of the parent.
Regardless, with the unanimous passage of the senate resolution, the issue died on the 28th day of July in the year 2009. That horse you are beating is not just dead; It has been turned into glue and sold to school children.
The senate resolution 511 states that because both parents are citizens then McCain is a natural born citizen. Obama does not meet this criteria. Only one of his parents was a citizen, namely his underage mother.
"It was during the bill’s hearing that Sen. Patrick Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the following statement:
“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.
What’s interesting here is that Sen. Leahy, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary, confirms that a “natural born” citizen is the child of American citizen parents."
Without a doubt you are wrong, but it is not the kind of wrong that can harm anyone.
I wish you the very best.
No direct statement as to his elligibilty and the fact that one parent was a foreign national.
The senate resolution 511 directly adressed the eligibility issue in McCain's case which is much preferable to the resoltion 225 where they INDIRECTLY appear to be stating that obama was born in Hawaii. No declaration on eligibility whatsoever.
"Yesterday, the Senate unanimously adopted a resolution (S. Res. 225) by Voice Vote “declaring that ‘the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961,’ indirectly affirming Obama’s status as a natural-born citizen — a requirement for presidential candidates under Article II of the Constitution,” Congressional Quarterly reports.
The major purpose of the resolution, however, was to honor Hawaii’s 50th anniversary of statehood.
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Seriously, how stupid are you?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_...
So, McCain born on Us military base and both parents citizens is in Fact natural born.
Obama has only one parent citizen under the age of 19 is not a natural born regardless where he was born.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/174...
"The Conclusive Definition of Natural Born Citizen
The provision on natural-born citizens of the United States is precise, clear and definite.
NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS ARE THOSE WHO ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. FROM BIRTH AND WHOSE PARENTS ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. AT THE TIME OF THEIR BIRTH.
Natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens and naturalized citizens, are those born in the United States of parents who are citizens. Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of the child."
Obama does not meet this definition.
Read the following;
"Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act o...
So, McCain born on Us military base and both parents citizens is in Fact natural born.
Obama has only one parent citizen under the age of 19 is not a natural born regardless where he was born.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/174...
"The Conclusive Definition of Natural Born Citizen
The provision on natural-born citizens of the United States is precise, clear and definite.
NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS ARE THOSE WHO ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. FROM BIRTH AND WHOSE PARENTS ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. AT THE TIME OF THEIR BIRTH.
Natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens and naturalized citizens, are those born in the United States of parents who are citizens. Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of the child."
Obama does not meet this definition.
Read the following;
"Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status.
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1. The Slaughterhouse Cases 83 U.S. 36 (1873) The Fourteenth Amendment excludes the children of aliens. “The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”
2. Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874) The Fourteenth Amendment draws a distinction between the children of aliens and children of citizens. “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
3. Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94 (1884) The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" requires "direct and immediate allegiance" to the United States, not just physical presence. “This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.”
4. Wong Kim Ark Case, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) Affirms that “natural born citizen,” is the child of an existing citizen. “The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.”
5. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U. S. 325 (1939) In citing a long series of cases, involving minors removed from their US domicile by their foreign born parents, the Supreme Court distinguishes the difference of “a native born person” of two naturalized citizens can become President. This distinction of citizenship is not made to the others, only that their Jus soli citizenship is intact if at the age of majority they reclaim it.
As you can see from the intent of the Founding Fathers to the Supreme Court decision that “a natural born” is the child of citizens. A natural born citizen is not the child of an alien. In this there is no doubt. The question now that we seek answered is that Barack Hussein Obama, II is both the child of an alien who never had any intention on becoming a naturalized citizen and the child of a citizen minor. If Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Hawaii, he is a citizen under Jus soli and afforded all rights any citizen has. But he is not a citizen under Jus sanguinis, because we have laws that dictate how Jus sanguinis citizenship can be transferred. If Barack Hussein Obama, II cannot claim citizenship under Jus sanguinis then he is not a natural born citizen.
While many patriots will argue with clear conviction “natural born” should be narrowly interpreted as to mean both parents must be citizens, giving birth to that child under the jurisdiction of the United States of America, they do accept that Jus sanguinis citizenship can be passed from one parent in accordance to the law of the land at the time of birth. So what was the law of the land at the time for giving a person Jus sanguinis citizenship?
There three ways for a person claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen. Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status.
Common sense tells us that both Jus soli and Jus sanguinis are what the Founding Fathers intended when they penned the phrase “a natural born citizen.” For imagine foreigners owing allegiance to a foreign power, arriving in America, giving birth to a child and immediately returning home to their country with their child. This child is reared for 21 years in a culture that hates America and that wants to see America destroyed. On the child’s 21st birthday this child returns to the United States of America, claiming their citizenship based Jus soli. For fourteen years they live in the United States, supported covertly by these foreign powers, growing in wealth and stature until they reach the age of 35 years. This scenario cumulates with this child of the soil, not having one drop of American blood in their veins, becoming President and destroying this country. Considering that countries are a creation of mankind, and non-existent in nature, natural loyalties are too blood.
“To disregard such a deliberate choice of words and their natural meaning would be a departure from the first principle of constitutional interpretation. 'In expounding the Constitution of the United States, every word must have its due force, and appropriate meaning; for it is evident from the whole instrument, that no word was unnecessarily used, or needlessly added. The many discussions which have taken place upon the construction of the constitution, have proved the correctness of this proposition; and shown the high talent, the caution, and the foresight of the illustrious men who framed it. Every word appears to have been weighed with the utmost deliberation, and its force and effect to have been fully understood.” Chief Justice Roger B. Taney
It turns out that you blocked me, hypocrite. First you accuse me of that intention then go ahead and do it yourself. True to the liberal motto "do as I say not as I do."