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American☆Atheist 2012/06/11 17:57:56
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  • ghostrider 2012/07/13 03:17:24
    no
    ghostrider
    It wouldn't matter if the case was heard every day of the week and twice on Sundays ... the 'birthers' would continue to rant their delusion.
  • Brosia 2012/07/04 15:04:43
    no
    Brosia
    They have no claim. The Superior Court has so many more important things to worry about than the racist rants of a small group of people that refuse to listen to reason...and facts.
  • Marek 2012/06/16 21:36:46
    yes
    Marek
    Why NOT?
    It would put the issue away since obama, who could do it easily, refuses by hiding his records.
  • ProudPr... Marek 2012/06/23 20:37:25
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    The President isn't hiding anything. He released proof of his birth the first time anyone asked for it.
  • Marek ProudPr... 2012/06/23 23:51:28
    Marek
    Him being here is proof of his birth.
    He is hiding his records.
  • Brosia Marek 2012/07/04 15:07:05
    Brosia
    Released twice. Plus newspaper reports of the birth several times. But they always claim they are fakes.
  • Marek Brosia 2012/07/04 18:27:51
    Marek
    Maybe they should not be releasing fakes.
  • Brosia Marek 2012/07/04 20:20:58
    Brosia
    Not fake. Just wishful thinking from some very transparent racists.
  • Marek Brosia 2012/07/05 04:00:26
    Marek
    BS, just because he is a mulatto then he cannot be scrutinized? I think providing fakes to shut the critics up and screaming racism if they don't is racist in itself.
  • Donald ... Marek 2012/07/06 11:09:22
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    No other president or presidential candidate in U.S. history has had their birth records as closely scrutinized as President Obama, despite the fact that there have been other presidential candidates who were of questionable eligibility.

    For example, there has been little to no outcry against John McCain’s run for Presidency, despite the fact that he was born in Panama. As such, Senator McCain is a citizen and not a natural born citizen.

    Why should we focus upon the eligibility of one and not the other? Is it not possible that much of the momentum behind the birther movement is motivated by our commander in chief’s skin pigmentation?
  • Marek Donald ... 2012/07/06 15:16:12
    Marek
    No other resident in the White House made so much effort to hide his records. You say he was scrutinized more then others, so tell us which records are made public?

    There has been questions about McCain's eligibilty, the Congress investigated the issue and passed the resolution that since he was born on the US military base and both of his parents were citizens then he is in fact a natural born citizen.

    None of that applies to obama. His father was Kenyan and a British subject, his mother was underage. Then there are questions about his birthplace. Assuming that he was born in Hawaii his father was not a citizen which does not meet the Constitutional definition of natural born citizen.
  • Donald ... Marek 2012/07/06 19:06:19
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    You are the one making the claim. You should be the one to provide the evidence. Prove to me that President Obama is not eligible to hold the office of President of the Untied States of America.

    You are willing to accept the Senate Resolution 511, a resolution affirming Senator McCain citizenship. Why are you reluctant to accept Senate Resolution 225, a resolution affirming President Obama’s citizenship?

    How is the age of President Obama's mother the least bit relevant? Citizenship is not dependent upon the age of the parent.

    Regardless, with the unanimous passage of the senate resolution, the issue died on the 28th day of July in the year 2009. That horse you are beating is not just dead; It has been turned into glue and sold to school children.
  • Marek Donald ... 2012/07/06 19:24:20
    Marek
    Quite simple really,...
    The senate resolution 511 states that because both parents are citizens then McCain is a natural born citizen. Obama does not meet this criteria. Only one of his parents was a citizen, namely his underage mother.

    "It was during the bill’s hearing that Sen. Patrick Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the following statement:

    “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”

    At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.

    “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.

    “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.

    What’s interesting here is that Sen. Leahy, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary, confirms that a “natural born” citizen is the child of American citizen parents."
  • Donald ... Marek 2012/07/06 19:37:53
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    Why do you bring up the age of President Obama's mother at every opportunity?
  • Marek Donald ... 2012/07/06 19:46:26
    Marek
    Why not? She was underage was she not? The truth is that his father was not an American citizen and that makes obama ineligible. That is the important fact, more so than him being or not being born in Hawaii. Now, if he was born in Kenya then that would be second reason why he is an unconstitutional resident of the White House.
  • Donald ... Marek 2012/07/06 19:51:50
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    Sorry. I am just not convinced. Besides, I am not sure that I even care.

    Without a doubt you are wrong, but it is not the kind of wrong that can harm anyone.

    I wish you the very best.
  • Marek Marek 2012/07/06 19:40:37
    Marek
    You mean this resolution 225 wher senate INDIRECTLY appears to be confirming his eligibility by accepting that he was born in Hawaii,... is that right?
    No direct statement as to his elligibilty and the fact that one parent was a foreign national.
    The senate resolution 511 directly adressed the eligibility issue in McCain's case which is much preferable to the resoltion 225 where they INDIRECTLY appear to be stating that obama was born in Hawaii. No declaration on eligibility whatsoever.

    "Yesterday, the Senate unanimously adopted a resolution (S. Res. 225) by Voice Vote “declaring that ‘the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961,’ indirectly affirming Obama’s status as a natural-born citizen — a requirement for presidential candidates under Article II of the Constitution,” Congressional Quarterly reports.

    The major purpose of the resolution, however, was to honor Hawaii’s 50th anniversary of statehood.
    "
  • Brosia Marek 2012/07/08 00:05:11
    Brosia
    Do you see what you are even typing? Right there, that quote you provided, to somehow prove that Obama is not eligible, states that he is eligible.

    Seriously, how stupid are you?
  • Marek Brosia 2012/07/08 00:29:27 (edited)
    Marek
    Yes I know exactly what I am typing. You, however don't read too well and have comprehension problems You are not smart enough to see the contrast between the two resolutions. The 511 McCain resolution directly affirms his eligibility because both of his parents were citizens while the 225 resolution did not even directly address obama eligibility and merely acknowledged that he was born in Hawaii. Did not mention his parents being citizens. When you compare both resolutions you clearly see that obama does not meet the criteria since only one of his parents was a citizen.
  • Brosia Marek 2012/07/10 01:45:49
    Brosia
    There is no law that states either or both parents have to be citizens to be eligible for president.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_...
  • Marek Brosia 2012/07/10 04:29:48
    Marek
    Oh, yes there is; The law clearly defines that natural born citizen is a child of citizens born on US territory.
    So, McCain born on Us military base and both parents citizens is in Fact natural born.
    Obama has only one parent citizen under the age of 19 is not a natural born regardless where he was born.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/174...
    "The Conclusive Definition of Natural Born Citizen

    The provision on natural-born citizens of the United States is precise, clear and definite.

    NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS ARE THOSE WHO ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. FROM BIRTH AND WHOSE PARENTS ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. AT THE TIME OF THEIR BIRTH.

    Natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens and naturalized citizens, are those born in the United States of parents who are citizens. Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of the child."
    Obama does not meet this definition.


    Read the following;
    "Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act o...































    Oh, yes there is; The law clearly defines that natural born citizen is a child of citizens born on US territory.
    So, McCain born on Us military base and both parents citizens is in Fact natural born.
    Obama has only one parent citizen under the age of 19 is not a natural born regardless where he was born.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/174...
    "The Conclusive Definition of Natural Born Citizen

    The provision on natural-born citizens of the United States is precise, clear and definite.

    NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS ARE THOSE WHO ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. FROM BIRTH AND WHOSE PARENTS ARE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. AT THE TIME OF THEIR BIRTH.

    Natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens and naturalized citizens, are those born in the United States of parents who are citizens. Natural-born citizens are also those born outside the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the birth of the child."
    Obama does not meet this definition.


    Read the following;
    "Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status.
    "


    1. The Slaughterhouse Cases 83 U.S. 36 (1873) The Fourteenth Amendment excludes the children of aliens. “The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”

    2. Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874) The Fourteenth Amendment draws a distinction between the children of aliens and children of citizens. “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

    3. Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94 (1884) The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" requires "direct and immediate allegiance" to the United States, not just physical presence. “This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.”

    4. Wong Kim Ark Case, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) Affirms that “natural born citizen,” is the child of an existing citizen. “The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.”

    5. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U. S. 325 (1939) In citing a long series of cases, involving minors removed from their US domicile by their foreign born parents, the Supreme Court distinguishes the difference of “a native born person” of two naturalized citizens can become President. This distinction of citizenship is not made to the others, only that their Jus soli citizenship is intact if at the age of majority they reclaim it.



    As you can see from the intent of the Founding Fathers to the Supreme Court decision that “a natural born” is the child of citizens. A natural born citizen is not the child of an alien. In this there is no doubt. The question now that we seek answered is that Barack Hussein Obama, II is both the child of an alien who never had any intention on becoming a naturalized citizen and the child of a citizen minor. If Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Hawaii, he is a citizen under Jus soli and afforded all rights any citizen has. But he is not a citizen under Jus sanguinis, because we have laws that dictate how Jus sanguinis citizenship can be transferred. If Barack Hussein Obama, II cannot claim citizenship under Jus sanguinis then he is not a natural born citizen.



    While many patriots will argue with clear conviction “natural born” should be narrowly interpreted as to mean both parents must be citizens, giving birth to that child under the jurisdiction of the United States of America, they do accept that Jus sanguinis citizenship can be passed from one parent in accordance to the law of the land at the time of birth. So what was the law of the land at the time for giving a person Jus sanguinis citizenship?



    There three ways for a person claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen. Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status.



    Common sense tells us that both Jus soli and Jus sanguinis are what the Founding Fathers intended when they penned the phrase “a natural born citizen.” For imagine foreigners owing allegiance to a foreign power, arriving in America, giving birth to a child and immediately returning home to their country with their child. This child is reared for 21 years in a culture that hates America and that wants to see America destroyed. On the child’s 21st birthday this child returns to the United States of America, claiming their citizenship based Jus soli. For fourteen years they live in the United States, supported covertly by these foreign powers, growing in wealth and stature until they reach the age of 35 years. This scenario cumulates with this child of the soil, not having one drop of American blood in their veins, becoming President and destroying this country. Considering that countries are a creation of mankind, and non-existent in nature, natural loyalties are too blood.



    “To disregard such a deliberate choice of words and their natural meaning would be a departure from the first principle of constitutional interpretation. 'In expounding the Constitution of the United States, every word must have its due force, and appropriate meaning; for it is evident from the whole instrument, that no word was unnecessarily used, or needlessly added. The many discussions which have taken place upon the construction of the constitution, have proved the correctness of this proposition; and shown the high talent, the caution, and the foresight of the illustrious men who framed it. Every word appears to have been weighed with the utmost deliberation, and its force and effect to have been fully understood.” Chief Justice Roger B. Taney
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  • Brosia Marek 2012/07/12 01:17:12
    Brosia
    Fine. Have it your way. Obama is not eligible to be the president, even though he is president and was vetted by people smart and with more knowledge and resources than you. Vote for Romney, and have fun when your job gets shipped to China or India.
  • w2xad 2012/06/14 14:33:40
    no
    w2xad
    +1
    sour grapes I guess! Both the democrats and republicans are guilty of a conspiracy if Obongo is not a citizen born in the USA!
  • ProudPr... w2xad 2012/06/23 20:37:46
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    Good thing he's proved that he was born in Honolulu.
  • Paige 2012/06/13 14:41:02
    yes
    Paige
    +1
    Just wasting tax payer money on a stupid issue thats been proven over and over.
  • Brosia Paige 2012/07/04 15:07:48
    Brosia
    So...you want them to waste the money?
  • Donald Eric Kesler 2012/06/13 13:13:20
    no
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +2
    Why waste the time of the Supreme Court on an issue that was settled years ago.
  • Brosia Donald ... 2012/07/04 15:10:35
    Brosia
    +1
    Why was it even an issue? I will always stand by the thought that it is only because he is black. They never raised the issue when McCain was running, and he was born in Panama before we had a military base there. He was grandfathered in as an American citizen, but this never seemed to bother anyone.
  • Donald ... Brosia 2012/07/04 15:15:48
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +2
    I have a theory on why this is an issue for some people. It is no longer acceptable to hate someone for being black. However, it is considered acceptable in certain circles to hate illegal immigrants and Muslims. I don't consider it acceptable, but some people do consider it acceptable.
  • Brosia Donald ... 2012/07/04 20:21:52
    Brosia
    +2
    Yes, but they are still racist, even if they scream to the heavens otherwise.
  • Donald ... Brosia 2012/07/05 02:14:27
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    To be certain. Some of them are racist.
  • Brosia Donald ... 2012/07/06 02:41:52
    Brosia
    +1
    I am currently having a pointless fight with one above.
  • Donald ... Brosia 2012/07/06 10:57:19
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    I will take a look. I may even add my two cents.
  • Brosia Donald ... 2012/07/06 22:57:03
    Brosia
    +1
    Go for it. I have about given up on it. There doesn't seem to be any talking to them.
  • Donald ... Brosia 2012/07/07 20:31:56
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    I tried it. I found him fixated on the age of President Obama's mother.
  • Brosia Donald ... 2012/07/08 00:01:00
    Brosia
    See what I mean? These people are completely illogical.
  • Brosia Donald ... 2012/07/08 00:05:50
    Brosia
    +1
    Also, I had to poke the bear one more time. I wonder if he is going to block me for it.
  • Marek Brosia 2012/07/10 04:35:22
    Marek
    No, I am not going to block you for it. I have not blocked Donald either. You both are simply wrong. Obama is not a natural born citizen by any definition I found.
  • Marek Marek 2012/07/12 03:20:49
    Marek
    To Brosia.
    It turns out that you blocked me, hypocrite. First you accuse me of that intention then go ahead and do it yourself. True to the liberal motto "do as I say not as I do."
  • beach bum 2012/06/13 08:45:29
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