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Supreme Court INVALIDATES health care law? Say what?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/30 18:24:16
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Nick Purpura, the author of the linked article, filed the most comprehensive anti-Obamacare lawsuit that anyone ever filed, in any court (Purpura v Sibelius, 11-7275). In this piece, he of course excoriates John Roberts, as did the conservative dissenters (Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas JJ, jointly!), for rewriting the law to save it. (And in the process giving the Congress an unlimited taxing power that sets at naught every protection against the arbitrary deprivation of property without due process of law. The only thing the government cannot arbitrarily do to you is execute you or confine you.)

Have a look at the Purpura case. It lists nineteen separate violations of the Constitution and monumental inconsistencies with existing law.

The big point that Purpura makes in this piece is: John Roberts said that this is a tax. OK. But this tax originated in the Senate. Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution reads:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.

So what really happened here? Well: after Scott Brown replaced Ted Kennedy, the House simply took an unrelated bill, stripped it of its contents and short title, put in the Senate language (even the "In the Senate of the United States" heading), and then "deemed it passed" in the vote on the House Rule. Classic bait-and-switch.

But Judge Roger Vinson of the US District Court for the Northern District of Florida has already said that the bill originated in the Senate. What about that?

That finding stands and is not controverted. So Mr. Purpura says, and I agree with him, that his case deserves a reargument. And more broadly speaking, Mr. Chief Justice Roberts just invalidated ObamaCare when he sought to save it. Otherwise he just declared the Constitution unconstitutional.

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  • Walt 2012/06/30 19:08:25 (edited)
    Agree.
    Walt
    +16
    "... Mr. Chief Justice Roberts just invalidated ObamaCare when he sought to save it. Otherwise he just declared the Constitution unconstitutional... "

    As much as I've hated seeing 0bama, the Senate, and the House beat the Constitution like a whipped dog, I hate it even more seeing the Supreme Court treating it this way. Despite 0bama's appointments to the SC and Judge Ginsburg, I have always previously had great respect for the SC.

    Now I have very little respect for any of them.

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  • Mr. Won... ZachStowe 2012/07/02 03:35:18
    Mr. Wonderful
    George is a classic right wing nut job. You're a good American if you agree with his wacko views. If you disagree you instantly become the enemy.
  • ZachStowe Mr. Won... 2012/07/02 20:39:13
    ZachStowe
    Exactly
  • Mr. Won... George 2012/07/01 17:18:39
    Mr. Wonderful
    Say Tea Party, hows things shaking for your boy Ron Paul?

    The only reason you still hear echoes in your ears is because there is a vast empty wasteland between your ears where normal people have brains.
  • George Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 23:30:06
    George
    +1
    Ron who? Not a part of any party Im attending.
  • Al B Th... Geenie ... 2012/07/01 02:38:11
    Al B Thayer
    Calling a Tea Party member a "bragger" is like calling a white person a cracker. Not a big deal. Lol
  • Geenie ... Al B Th... 2012/07/01 02:58:24
    Geenie Nabottle
    Wow, how racist of you considering that baggers are not just white people. Or are you revealing that the tea party is just supposed to be for white folks?

    There is an entire minority looney wing, I like to call them the Hermanites.

    Just so you know when I talk about baggers.... I'm talking about the entire lot of the wackos. ;o)
  • TheTailor Geenie ... 2012/07/01 04:33:29
    TheTailor
    +2
    Ahh, the "wacko's" that want fiscal sanity and a Balanced Budget Amendment?
  • Al B Th... Geenie ... 2012/07/01 14:21:52
    Al B Thayer
    I'm not equating the two together. I'm pointing out that the insult carries no shame. I would be one of the Hermanites.
  • Geenie ... Al B Th... 2012/07/02 00:05:09
    Geenie Nabottle
    Your statement sure sounded like simile to me....
  • TheTailor Geenie ... 2012/07/01 04:28:59
    TheTailor
    +1
    LOL Well time will tell who lost ;-) Obamacare has been defanged ;-)
  • Geenie ... TheTailor 2012/07/02 00:11:56
    Geenie Nabottle
    +1
    Aye, we will....
  • Stacy F Geenie ... 2012/07/01 06:11:29 (edited)
    Stacy F
    +1
    real cost

    How about you "pucker up, and lube on"? I would ask you to use your common sense, but, seeing as you don't have any...
  • explorer1618 2012/07/01 00:06:39
    Disagree.
    explorer1618
    Get another TV or server --- SH is F'ed up !
  • Stacy F explore... 2012/07/01 01:45:12 (edited)
    Stacy F
    +2
    Go ahead. No one will cry if you leave.
  • Beccy 2012/06/30 23:58:31
    Disagree.
    Beccy
    +1
    THese criminals do not care, they are going to do what they want to no matter what we the people want
  • Geenie ... Beccy 2012/07/01 00:16:35
    Geenie Nabottle
    +2
    Umm I don't think your one sided idea of "we" the people is correct.

    I say this because a majority of "we the people" elected Obama based upon his campaign promise that he would reform the healthcare system. He kept his word and laid the first brick of the foundation to do just that.

    So in reality, he did do exactly what "WE THE PEOPLE" wanted!
  • zapped Geenie ... 2012/07/01 00:38:39 (edited)
    zapped
    +4
    I'm all for affordable heath care ...but the way it's being built & sold ,, isnt correct ..

    now the govt .admin gets their care for 100.00 $ a mo. premiums "med / dent / phar. ..
    now this plan isnt good enough for them ..so why do the people have to take it ?

    congress shall pass no laws that dont effect them as well ...... food for thought ???
  • Geenie ... zapped 2012/07/01 01:15:18 (edited)
    Geenie Nabottle
    +2
    I'm not saying or meant to imply that the affordable care act aka Obamacare(s) is perfect or the complete solution to the problems we have as a nation in relation to health care.

    It is however the first step finally in the right direction. Many laws and programs that benefit the greater good in this country look nothing like their first iterations. I expect this one to be no different. It will be changed and improved upon as time goes on.
  • zapped Geenie ... 2012/07/01 02:24:31
    zapped
    +2
    be it as it may ....nothing is perfect ,,,,
    too bad the people had nothing to say about it ( though "we" were supposed to review it before it was voted on or signed ) that was another promise ......that wasnt fullfilled ...!

    and a bill one person ( or olargie ) put into words ....for we the people ...!

    would you sign a contract or enter into an agreement without reading it ?

    and another step towards socialism ...
  • TheTailor Geenie ... 2012/07/01 04:38:31
    TheTailor
    +1
    If kept, and that's unlikely, the PPACA will cost more than Medicaid and Medicare and services will be worse.
  • TheTailor Geenie ... 2012/07/01 04:36:19
    TheTailor
    +1
    Well the "people" poll at 2/3rd's to 3/4's against Obamacare, so he's right.
  • Mr. Won... TheTailor 2012/07/02 03:50:03
    Mr. Wonderful
    Very distored. The same people say they love the two provisions already in place, letting kids stay on parent's policies till 26 and now carrying people that had pre-existing problems and often were banned from getting coverage or needing to pay excessive costs if they could.

    Here's a news flash, since the two provsions I mentioned are so popular the Republic Party leadership has already said they are going to fiddle with them. So tell me, what's all the noise about other that to try to stir up the base? Besides the other stuff in the bill doesn't take effect until 2013 and 2014,so how can you dislike something that hasn't even happened yet?
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/02 04:35:37
    TheTailor
    Nobody cares in the insurance industry if kids stay on their parents policy till they are 26, people don't die and have health problems when they are that young, and the premiums are still being paid. Premiums have of course gone up in cost to cover the pre-existing condition cases. Yes, there is still time to kill the law before it's even started fully, parts of it that were have to already begun couldn't be launched.
  • Mr. Won... TheTailor 2012/07/02 13:39:37
    Mr. Wonderful
    Typical right winger, very naive. There are MILLIONS all across the country with terrible diseases, many life threatening. Every since there were insurance companies they conspired to find ways to prevent such people from having coverage. This law prevents that kind of shameless abuse. You're against saving people's lives? How typical of a right winger to put hording money above saving life.
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/02 20:19:30
    TheTailor
    You are grasping at straws and presuming you know what I think before I tell you, pathetic. I'm an independent, and I don't care how badly people live or if they die, that's their business as long as they keep their hand out of my pocket. If they want to smoke and swill beer that brings them diabetes and lung cancer, so be it.

    People with pre-existing conditions can buy insurance, it simply costs more. Insurance is a private industry, if they don't want to insure high risk, they don't have to. You could always start a company insuring those that have pre-existing conditions, why don't you? The sole reason that the insurance companies are taking these cases is that they will be PAID to do it, through taxing the masses with Obamacare.
  • Mr. Won... TheTailor 2012/07/03 15:06:52
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/03 15:18:14
    TheTailor
    How is any of that sh*t relevant? Fact is, allow existing conditions, but know that the rates of everyone are going to go up as a result, that's the way it works. That doesn't make health care more "affordable".

    Yes, I don't care, it's not my business. As I said, I'm an independent, and for the record I'm not rich nor do I have any real use for large sums of money. Use your childish rhetoric on someone else.
  • Mr. Won... Beccy 2012/07/02 03:44:26
    Mr. Wonderful
    I thought right wingers like Mitch McConnel and crybaby Bonehead Johnny no brainer
  • Tinka123 2012/06/30 23:40:31
    Agree.
    Tinka123
    +7
    What a mess this is...
  • Huntclan 2012/06/30 23:31:00
    Undecided
    Huntclan
    +5
    Why should we start following the laws anyway? With HMFIC Holder in charge of Justice, who is going to stop them?
  • Kaleokualoha 2012/06/30 23:15:40
    I have another idea...
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    Grasping for straws.

    "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. That is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)
  • TheTailor Kaleoku... 2012/07/01 04:39:51
    TheTailor
    How is that relevant?
  • Maria 2012/06/30 22:50:47
    Agree.
    Maria
    +4
    What in the heck went wrong with supreme Court judges? why don't care about America people anymore? who are these Judge's parents whom raise them? are you sure they're America while growing up? They shouldn't done that to us America..
  • Geenie ... Maria 2012/07/01 00:18:05
    Geenie Nabottle
    +3
    Whaaat?
  • TheTailor Maria 2012/07/01 04:41:18
    TheTailor
    Huh?
  • Che Guevara - Hero 2012/06/30 22:41:04
    I have another idea...
    Che Guevara - Hero
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/06/30 22:00:51
    Agree.
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +11
    Good article- Too bad Congress never reads the Constitution
  • Flaming... Hula gi... 2012/07/01 04:13:19
    Flamingo Flame Gem *AFCL*
    +1
    They didn't even bother to read the legislature before they approved it....BTW the dem congress excluded themselves from the HCC disasterous legislature because they knew it was flawed and would be challenged in the courts. btw dem congress excluded hcc disasterous legislature flawed challenged courts
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/06/30 21:43:07 (edited)
    Undecided
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +5
    So what. it is still upheld and it will be implemented unless repealed. The Constitution took tremendous damage because of this.
  • TheTailor Dan (Po... 2012/07/01 04:43:39
    TheTailor
    Implemented without the states setting up expanded Medicare?

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