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Supreme Court INVALIDATES health care law? Say what?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/30 18:24:16
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Nick Purpura, the author of the linked article, filed the most comprehensive anti-Obamacare lawsuit that anyone ever filed, in any court (Purpura v Sibelius, 11-7275). In this piece, he of course excoriates John Roberts, as did the conservative dissenters (Kennedy, Scalia, Alito, and Thomas JJ, jointly!), for rewriting the law to save it. (And in the process giving the Congress an unlimited taxing power that sets at naught every protection against the arbitrary deprivation of property without due process of law. The only thing the government cannot arbitrarily do to you is execute you or confine you.)

Have a look at the Purpura case. It lists nineteen separate violations of the Constitution and monumental inconsistencies with existing law.

The big point that Purpura makes in this piece is: John Roberts said that this is a tax. OK. But this tax originated in the Senate. Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution reads:

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.

So what really happened here? Well: after Scott Brown replaced Ted Kennedy, the House simply took an unrelated bill, stripped it of its contents and short title, put in the Senate language (even the "In the Senate of the United States" heading), and then "deemed it passed" in the vote on the House Rule. Classic bait-and-switch.

But Judge Roger Vinson of the US District Court for the Northern District of Florida has already said that the bill originated in the Senate. What about that?

That finding stands and is not controverted. So Mr. Purpura says, and I agree with him, that his case deserves a reargument. And more broadly speaking, Mr. Chief Justice Roberts just invalidated ObamaCare when he sought to save it. Otherwise he just declared the Constitution unconstitutional.

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  • Walt 2012/06/30 19:08:25 (edited)
    Agree.
    Walt
    +16
    "... Mr. Chief Justice Roberts just invalidated ObamaCare when he sought to save it. Otherwise he just declared the Constitution unconstitutional... "

    As much as I've hated seeing 0bama, the Senate, and the House beat the Constitution like a whipped dog, I hate it even more seeing the Supreme Court treating it this way. Despite 0bama's appointments to the SC and Judge Ginsburg, I have always previously had great respect for the SC.

    Now I have very little respect for any of them.

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  • TheTailor Diane 2012/07/01 12:49:48
    TheTailor
    +1
    Obviously you do, as it's not convoluted, it's clear cut, Obamacare has been neutered! Woot! LOLZ Pound sand lefties :-)
  • Diane TheTailor 2012/07/01 14:59:53
    Diane
    How has it been neutered?
  • TheTailor Diane 2012/07/01 16:25:47
    TheTailor
    +3
    Well first the court made it clear it IS a tax, and of course leftists said all along it wasn't a tax, the use of the commerce clause was struck down, they can't force you to buy anything. Further, Roberts brought with him ALL the liberals on the court to show that they supported the FACT that they are all about TAX and control over lives of Americans.

    Second, the threat by the federal government to withhold Medicaid support to states that don't open Obamacare exchanges was struck down, states are not required to have them to receive Medicare from the feds.

    Third, and what may be the real killer is that Obamacare now being found a tax may invalidate it. Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution reads: "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.", the senate deemed Obamacare passed. As a tax bill they can't do that, start over.

    Lastly and I'm not clear on this, but as I understand it, there's no penalty if you don't pay the tax! Ha! Obamacare has been defanged with the help of the leftist half of the court :-)
  • Diane TheTailor 2012/07/01 21:54:02 (edited)
    Diane
    It was not invalidated. It is the law of the land. There is no penalty if you don't pay the tax, other than that you won't get your refund.
  • TheTailor Diane 2012/07/01 23:17:56
    TheTailor
    +2
    Time will tell on the invalidation issue, a federal judge pointed out that it didn't originate as a tax bill in the house. Yep, it's the law of the land, for now.
  • Mr. Won... TheTailor 2012/07/01 23:21:13
    Mr. Wonderful
    +1
    Wow, I'm amazed, I finally saw a right winger on SoadHead get something right. Good boy! Its now the law of land. Deal with it.
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 23:29:58
    TheTailor
    +2
    We are dealing with it, that's how it got neutered, and that's how it will be killed.
  • Mr. Won... TheTailor 2012/07/02 03:31:23
    Mr. Wonderful
    If you want to have a wet dream, go ahead, but most guys first go somewhere quite and shut the door, you want to have one on SoadHead.
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/02 04:25:48
    TheTailor
    +1
    I'm sure you would know, and here I thought you had moved beyond puberty.
  • Diane TheTailor 2012/07/02 06:01:35
    Diane
    Don't hold your breath, bud.
  • Mr. Won... TheTailor 2012/07/01 23:30:53
    Mr. Wonderful
    If you don't pay a tax, you get to deal with the IRS who have to power to seize any of your money, any of your assets.

    Here's a scary but true story. Many years ago I use to do the payroll for the company I worked at. We had one employee who was a very hard worker, why he was kept around but also the classic deadbeat, he'd buy everything on credit, maybe make a payment or two then stop so companies legally took steps to have his employer garnish his wages.

    Well he went too far it didn't pay what he owed on his federal taxes. He got hurt in an accident and wasn't working for a couple months. Think that stops the IRS? Hell no. They got a court order and seized the amount he owed about $600 and the IRS directly took it out of the company's corporate account.
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 23:37:29
    TheTailor
    +1
    Nope, there are no collections other than keeping the money out of your refund as far as I can see, so we'll just have to do our taxes so no extra is paid in. Of course this doesn't start for a couple years, by then it should be gone. I know all about how the IRS f*cks people, they got me for $30,000 in wrongly assessed penalties and took the money out of my account. When I pointed out they did it wrongly, they told me to sue, knowing they took every penny I had.

    I was very pleased to see that guy fly his plane into their building in Austin, I hope I'm alive to see a violent taxpayer revolt against them.
  • Mr. Won... Diane 2012/07/01 16:44:00
    Mr. Wonderful
    +1
    Just typical right wing posturing. They never admit when they lost. Not in their nature.
  • Diane Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 22:04:41
    Diane
    Exactly right!
  • TheTailor Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 23:39:24
    TheTailor
    Are you sure it was a loss? ;-)
  • Bilingual required sucks 2012/07/01 03:08:42
    I have another idea...
    Bilingual required sucks
    +1
    You need psych meds immediately.
  • shadow76 2012/07/01 02:56:57
    Agree.
    shadow76
    +6
    I don't believe roberts wanted to save the law, he did it on purpose to kill it!
  • TheTailor shadow76 2012/07/01 04:15:54
    TheTailor
    +2
    I agree.
  • shadow76 TheTailor 2012/07/01 10:07:25
    shadow76
    +1
    It is the only thing that makes sense.
  • Stacy F shadow76 2012/07/01 06:05:36
    Stacy F
    +1
    I agree completely.
  • shadow76 Stacy F 2012/07/01 10:08:20
    shadow76
    I am glad!
  • Janet C K 2012/07/01 01:53:52
    Agree.
    Janet C K
    +4
    Yes they will pay for it with middle America's income tax refunds. Wonder when Obama will be coming with his hand open to increase the debt ceiling again to make up for the funding he just lost for it---it's already being spent! "it's only $95/mo the first year"- "it's not a
    Tax"-- are they really that ignorant to believe he'd only lIe about one of those statements? Who's gonna pay for this?!
  • Flaming... Janet C K 2012/07/01 04:04:13
    Flamingo Flame Gem *AFCL*
    +1
    Janet for president !
  • nverumind 2012/07/01 01:53:42
    Agree.
    nverumind
    +7
    In the late 1960's, President Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled Congress gave us Medicare and Medicaid. In the 1990's, the Clinton's tried to create a totally government-run health care system for every U.S. citizen. "What's wrong with that?", you say. To begin with, the U.S. Constitution, what's supposed to be the supreme law of the United States, does not give to the federal government any authority to set up universal health care systems. how wise the Founding Fathers were, not wanting the federal government to have this power.
  • Flaming... nverumind 2012/07/01 04:05:13
  • Mr. Won... nverumind 2012/07/01 16:46:46
    Mr. Wonderful
    +1
    What part of the Supreme Court ruling: the law is CONSTITUTIONAL are stupid beyond description right winger buffoons not understanding?
  • nverumind Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 16:49:21
    nverumind
    +1
    Not right wing , but nice try!~
    And just because a Supreme court in a day where corruption and paid for politicians says that it IS constitutional doesnt make it so.
    Not TO MENTION, they had to deem it a tax to even concider passing it with claims of it being the only constitutional way to Pass IT. (Although your messiah, promised and swore that it wasnt a tax)
  • Stacy F 2012/07/01 01:26:28
    Agree.
    Stacy F
    +6
    The Constitution is being trampled, and that is unacceptable! It is time for the American people to stand together, and let Congress, and the Supreme Court, know, in no uncertain terms, that Obama has gone too far! November cannot get here soon enough!

    "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." - The Declaration of Independence
  • Mr. Won... Stacy F 2012/07/01 16:48:58
    Mr. Wonderful
    +1
    It was a REPUBLICAN majority supreme court that said the law is constitutional. What a bitter pill for all right wing nut jobs to swallow.
  • Stacy F Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 16:55:47
    Stacy F
    +1
    Only one of the conservative justices sided for it, and I would be willing to bet that he had ulterior motives for it. My guess is that John Roberts KNEW what kind of firestorm this would cause. All he did was fire up the same people that voted in a Republican majority into Congress, in 2010, BECAUSE of ObamaCare.
    We'll see who's swallowing that bitter pill, come November.
  • Mr. Won... Stacy F 2012/07/01 17:04:37 (edited)
    Mr. Wonderful
    +1
    Have you suffered from delusions long?

    What firestorm? It has only caused the predictable mashing of teeth and fist pounding from the usual suspects that always go ape when they don't get their way.
  • Stacy F Mr. Won... 2012/07/01 17:07:17
    Stacy F
    +1
    Keep telling yourself that.
  • Lee 2012/07/01 00:59:19
    Disagree.
    Lee
    +1
    That's obviously not true.
  • ray Lee 2012/07/01 03:25:32
    ray
    +3
    It is true.
  • TheTailor Lee 2012/07/01 04:22:24
    TheTailor
    +2
    How is it obviously not true?
  • Lee TheTailor 2012/07/01 04:30:43 (edited)
    Lee
    Because the Supreme Court upheld the law.

    And Upholding the law is the OPPOSITE of invalidating the law.

    That's why.

    How can Right Wing Nut jobs convolute such simple concepts?

    You people are nutty as hell.
  • ray Lee 2012/07/01 05:09:20
    ray
    +2
    Says the guy who likes Obama. Any one that likes him is either naive or an ignorant dumb ass.
  • Lee ray 2012/07/01 05:36:31
    Lee
    lol

    You Right Wingers crack me up . . . Especially when you're being serious.
  • ray Lee 2012/07/01 15:01:54
    ray
    +1
    lol

    You left wingers crack me up, especially when you're being retarded.
  • Mr. Won... Lee 2012/07/01 17:01:37
    Mr. Wonderful
    Funny, it was Chief Justice ROBERTS, a right wing Republican that made the deciding vote and ruled the law is constitutional, yet right wingers, true to form still try to blame Obama.

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