Subject: Joe versus Jose, Do the math
- 2009/06/16 22:58:13
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productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter.
You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have
2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in
construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour
with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction,
has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour
"under the table".
Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year ..
Now take 30% away for state & federal tax..
Joe Legal now has $31,231.00
Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per
year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes...
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00
Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage
$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal now has $19,231.00
Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state
and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year.
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00
Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps
or welfare - Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00
per year - Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00
Jose Illegal has no documented income, so he is eligible for Food
Stamps and Welfare - Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00
Joe Legal pays rent $1,000.00 per month - $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769..00
Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy ..
Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month (section 8 housing)
$6,000.00 per year - Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job
after work or his wife must work. Jose Illegal has nights and
weekends off to enjoy with his family (and eat out!).
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.
Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches
Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored breakfast & lunch,
and they also qualify to be bused to school at tax payer expense.
Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
Joe Legal's children have to find a way to get to school and go home
after school as, "latch-key kids" with no adult supervision.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
Jose Illegal can send most of his money back home to Mexico to build a
new home for retirement, and have money to buy a new truck
(and still have Medi-Cal benefits while living in a foreign country;
until someone turns him in to authorities....if they ever find out)
Joe Legal is still in the hole.
Any questions?

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Is economically productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter or federal government. You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour "under the table" (false, Jose illegal works at McDonalds or mowing lawns where he makes minimum wage and gets paid by check like Joe Legal .. it's the employer's obligation to distribute taxes to SDI, SS, FEDERAL TAX, etc (however if Jose Illegal worked in construction, he gets paid by check, gets the same deductions and runs the risk of INS picking him up every other da...
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Is economically productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter or federal government. You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour "under the table" (false, Jose illegal works at McDonalds or mowing lawns where he makes minimum wage and gets paid by check like Joe Legal .. it's the employer's obligation to distribute taxes to SDI, SS, FEDERAL TAX, etc (however if Jose Illegal worked in construction, he gets paid by check, gets the same deductions and runs the risk of INS picking him up every other day, he always has the fear of being deported but still works).
.Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year .. Now take 30% away for state & federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00 Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes (LIE)
Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with FULL coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal now has $19,231.00
Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. (LIE) ask any illegal, if you apply for Medical you don't qualify unless you're dieing (they call it emergency medical) .. in order to qualify for full medical benefits you need a SSNUMBER which Jose Illegal doesn't have .. to get food stamps you need a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, to get SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS you need what? duh! to claim credits for childen when you do taxes you need a valid SSN, to get most federal credits that U.S. citizens get, you need a valid SSN. so while Joe Legal got a full refund and probably 4,000 in credits for having his two children, Jose Illegal will never see his taxes back, or qualify for full medical/assistance benefits .. TAKE 10 MINUTES AND CALL YOUR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, ASK IF SOMEONE WITH A NON VALID SSN QUALIFES? not! UNEMPLOYMENT? DOESN'T QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU NEED A VALID SSN
Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored breakfast & lunch, and they also qualify to be bused to school at tax payer expense JOSE ILLEGAL IS A TAX PAYER
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay (NOT TRUE) . Jose Illegal can send most of his money back home to Mexico to build a new home for retirement .. YES LIFE IN MEXICO IS DEFINITELY A PLACE WE'D LOVE TO RETIRE HAVEN'T A GREAT NUMBER OF AMERICANS DONE THE SAME THING
(and still have Medi-Cal benefits while living in a foreign country; until someone turns him in to authorities....if they ever find out) Joe Legal is still in the hole
WITH THE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE IN 2010 IS THERE NOT A WAY TO GET A SYSTEM WITH EMPLOYERS TO CHECK SSN???? come on! ... why doesn't the government say .. oh your number isn't valid so we can't take your taxes. .. if you have been an illegal you probably have seen the letter that your employer gets where SS says "Dear employer we are in receipt of they money you reported however the number you reported it to doesn't match our records, until we can figure out a valid number in our system, this money will remain in limbo .. it's because the Government benefits from this money that the situation will never change .. I'm all up for the country to be safe but unless you can call yourself dark and american indian, you are an immigrant!
LET'S NOT FORGET THAT JOSE ILLEGAL AND HIS BROTHER JUAN ILLEGAL ARE EXPOSED TO INTENSIVE HEAVY LABOR WHERE MOST ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, AND WILL DO ANY JOB IN ORDER TO GET A BUCK IN HIS POCKET .. WHILE JOE LEGAL AND HIS BROTHER WILL NOT TAKE ANY JOB UNLESS IT PAYS ABOVE AVERAGE AND .. I ASK YOU TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICES .. YOUR LOCAL WELFARE OFFICES .. TELL ME HOW MANY JOSE ILLEGALS YOU SEE THERE? crackheads, pot heads, homeless people crowd this offices, ghetto, intolerant, rude people who refuse to work are the ones using both JOE AND JOSE'S TAXES. injured veterans benefits from taxpayers money .. both JOE AND JOSE'S
I AGREE THAT WELFARE SHOULD BE CUT OFF AND MANY OTHER BENEFITS FOR THAT MATTER ., OR MAKE PEOPLE WORK DOING ANYTHING IN THE STREETS IN ORDER TO GET A CHECK INSTEAD OF HANDING MONEY OUT FOR FREE.. BUT PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU FORWARD ANOTHER EMAIL
Those around us had only been laid off a month and already have their first checks coming in yet they looked like they just came off the streets. It felt like reverse racism in the room.
the only thing left out of this blog is they get money form SS.. how well they have a mom who in on SS.. yes ppl it is easier to get SS if you are illegal....than they say she is sick.. the wife has to take care of her full time.. 1300 per month... they split the payments between to two..
How did I find this out... an illegal in LA told me .. they are actually taught how to do this by our leftist who have set up non profit groups... I hate the left.. sorry but I do ..
I am asking God to help me here.. but I am fighting an upward battle
for a 3rd party and probably going to vote one .Im
unsatisfied with both main parties.
$52,000 per year ..
Now take 30% away for state & federal tax..
Joe Legal now has $36,400.00 not $31,231.00
And the rest of you math is not factual.
it is all in that number Hula.. the SS number make you have to pay taxes by law.. without it you do not have to ..
it is so simple it is hard to wrap our heads around it
remeber when harry creep reid slipped and said.. 'it is illegal to pay taxes but if you do not you will go to jail'....well that got me thinking... and talking to some ppl .. and what i learned can save this country.. but it would have to be a mass movement underground