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Subject: Joe versus Jose, Do the math

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter.

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have
2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in
construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour
with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction,
has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour
"under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year ..
Now take 30% away for state & federal tax..
Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per
year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes...
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage
$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state
and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year.
Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps
or welfare - Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00
per year - Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income, so he is eligible for Food
Stamps and Welfare - Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent $1,000.00 per month - $12,000.00 per year
Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769..00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy ..
Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month (section 8 housing)
$6,000.00 per year - Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job
after work or his wife must work. Jose Illegal has nights and
weekends off to enjoy with his family (and eat out!).

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.
Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches
Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored breakfast & lunch,
and they also qualify to be bused to school at tax payer expense.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
Joe Legal's children have to find a way to get to school and go home
after school as, "latch-key kids" with no adult supervision.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Jose Illegal can send most of his money back home to Mexico to build a
new home for retirement, and have money to buy a new truck
(and still have Medi-Cal benefits while living in a foreign country;
until someone turns him in to authorities....if they ever find out)

Joe Legal is still in the hole.

Any questions?



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  • DANCE2H2O 2010/12/05 06:04:31
    DANCE2H2O
    +1
    I received this email and I'm so sick of hearing the same story over and over that in order to understand what I'm about to say I'd ask that you scroll all the way to the bottom of this email then come back to read the facts, The bottom email was written by Joe Legal or Joe Legal's brother who is probably a sheep that follows what he hears around ... only the one who has been illegal and/or in need will ever understand how the economy works.

    Is economically productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter or federal government. You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour "under the table" (false, Jose illegal works at McDonalds or mowing lawns where he makes minimum wage and gets paid by check like Joe Legal .. it's the employer's obligation to distribute taxes to SDI, SS, FEDERAL TAX, etc (however if Jose Illegal worked in construction, he gets paid by check, gets the same deductions and runs the risk of INS picking him up every other da...

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    I received this email and I'm so sick of hearing the same story over and over that in order to understand what I'm about to say I'd ask that you scroll all the way to the bottom of this email then come back to read the facts, The bottom email was written by Joe Legal or Joe Legal's brother who is probably a sheep that follows what he hears around ... only the one who has been illegal and/or in need will ever understand how the economy works.

    Is economically productive for the State of California...or any other state for that matter or federal government. You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California . "Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.... "Jose Illegal" also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash per hour "under the table" (false, Jose illegal works at McDonalds or mowing lawns where he makes minimum wage and gets paid by check like Joe Legal .. it's the employer's obligation to distribute taxes to SDI, SS, FEDERAL TAX, etc (however if Jose Illegal worked in construction, he gets paid by check, gets the same deductions and runs the risk of INS picking him up every other day, he always has the fear of being deported but still works).

    .Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year .. Now take 30% away for state & federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00 Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year, Jose Illegal pays no taxes (LIE)

    Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with FULL coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal now has $19,231.00
    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. (LIE) ask any illegal, if you apply for Medical you don't qualify unless you're dieing (they call it emergency medical) .. in order to qualify for full medical benefits you need a SSNUMBER which Jose Illegal doesn't have .. to get food stamps you need a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, to get SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS you need what? duh! to claim credits for childen when you do taxes you need a valid SSN, to get most federal credits that U.S. citizens get, you need a valid SSN. so while Joe Legal got a full refund and probably 4,000 in credits for having his two children, Jose Illegal will never see his taxes back, or qualify for full medical/assistance benefits .. TAKE 10 MINUTES AND CALL YOUR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, ASK IF SOMEONE WITH A NON VALID SSN QUALIFES? not! UNEMPLOYMENT? DOESN'T QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU NEED A VALID SSN

    Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored breakfast & lunch, and they also qualify to be bused to school at tax payer expense JOSE ILLEGAL IS A TAX PAYER

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay (NOT TRUE) . Jose Illegal can send most of his money back home to Mexico to build a new home for retirement .. YES LIFE IN MEXICO IS DEFINITELY A PLACE WE'D LOVE TO RETIRE HAVEN'T A GREAT NUMBER OF AMERICANS DONE THE SAME THING

    (and still have Medi-Cal benefits while living in a foreign country; until someone turns him in to authorities....if they ever find out) Joe Legal is still in the hole

    WITH THE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE IN 2010 IS THERE NOT A WAY TO GET A SYSTEM WITH EMPLOYERS TO CHECK SSN???? come on! ... why doesn't the government say .. oh your number isn't valid so we can't take your taxes. .. if you have been an illegal you probably have seen the letter that your employer gets where SS says "Dear employer we are in receipt of they money you reported however the number you reported it to doesn't match our records, until we can figure out a valid number in our system, this money will remain in limbo .. it's because the Government benefits from this money that the situation will never change .. I'm all up for the country to be safe but unless you can call yourself dark and american indian, you are an immigrant!

    LET'S NOT FORGET THAT JOSE ILLEGAL AND HIS BROTHER JUAN ILLEGAL ARE EXPOSED TO INTENSIVE HEAVY LABOR WHERE MOST ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, AND WILL DO ANY JOB IN ORDER TO GET A BUCK IN HIS POCKET .. WHILE JOE LEGAL AND HIS BROTHER WILL NOT TAKE ANY JOB UNLESS IT PAYS ABOVE AVERAGE AND .. I ASK YOU TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICES .. YOUR LOCAL WELFARE OFFICES .. TELL ME HOW MANY JOSE ILLEGALS YOU SEE THERE? crackheads, pot heads, homeless people crowd this offices, ghetto, intolerant, rude people who refuse to work are the ones using both JOE AND JOSE'S TAXES. injured veterans benefits from taxpayers money .. both JOE AND JOSE'S

    I AGREE THAT WELFARE SHOULD BE CUT OFF AND MANY OTHER BENEFITS FOR THAT MATTER ., OR MAKE PEOPLE WORK DOING ANYTHING IN THE STREETS IN ORDER TO GET A CHECK INSTEAD OF HANDING MONEY OUT FOR FREE.. BUT PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU FORWARD ANOTHER EMAIL
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  • beth we... DANCE2H2O 2011/08/23 06:11:06
    beth weisleder
    +2
    I had a real eye-opener several weeks ago when I went to Social Services. I was declared 'medically disabled after working & paying taxes for 45 yrs.It took me over 3 yrs. to be 'awarded' Disability. I was trying to get Medicaid & Food stamps. I was denied both because I had earned too much money when working. BS. I was a single Mother for years - often working 2 jobs.At any rate,most of the other applicants could not even speak English. There was a sign(in Spanish & Creole & ??) that stated 'Social Services does NOT report to any other government agency such as Immigration. They also said they would help Illegal Aliens get a social security # &/or green card.These users can't speak English but sure as hell can find Social Services & FREE Benefits that include Medicaid, Food stamps,housing,childcare,educ... etc. WHO pays for their benefits? Not them. The Legal taxpayers do. White woman who are disabled & elderly get NOTHING. So YOU check your facts.
  • Hula gi... beth we... 2011/08/23 07:58:49
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    They find the information because they actually hold classes for the illegals on how to game the system. It's a big scam and someone has to stop it. I was down to Unemployment the other day to keep a friend company. The room was packed and we were the only whites in the room and look too well dressed compared. She's been unemployed and on tons on interviews yet younger people keep getting hired. She has yet to get an unemployment check yet has had nothing since May. Her company paid into the system for over 20 years for her.
    Those around us had only been laid off a month and already have their first checks coming in yet they looked like they just came off the streets. It felt like reverse racism in the room.
  • dico 2009/06/17 20:09:21 (edited)
    dico
    +1
    This is a great and very provocative blog Hula....can I pass it around?



    the only thing left out of this blog is they get money form SS.. how well they have a mom who in on SS.. yes ppl it is easier to get SS if you are illegal....than they say she is sick.. the wife has to take care of her full time.. 1300 per month... they split the payments between to two..



    How did I find this out... an illegal in LA told me .. they are actually taught how to do this by our leftist who have set up non profit groups... I hate the left.. sorry but I do ..



    I am asking God to help me here.. but I am fighting an upward battle
  • Poet003 2009/06/17 14:17:54
    Poet003
    +3
    I raved you for being thought provoking but I am looking
    for a 3rd party and probably going to vote one .Im
    unsatisfied with both main parties.
  • Lanikai 2009/06/17 13:50:47
    Lanikai
    +2
    Wow, that is a great way to break the costs down. Any wonder why I am so against illegals remaining here?
  • Butch 2009/06/17 02:17:08
    Butch
    +1
    I think you are very smart. But this is silly.
  • Hula gi... Butch 2009/06/17 02:20:39
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    What's silly? Facts?
  • Lanikai Hula gi... 2009/06/17 13:51:18
    Lanikai
    +2
    Hula, you know libbies and sympathizers never want truth or facts.
  • Butch Hula gi... 2009/06/17 22:06:15
    Butch
    For openers:
    $52,000 per year ..
    Now take 30% away for state & federal tax..
    Joe Legal now has $36,400.00 not $31,231.00
    And the rest of you math is not factual. tax joe legal 36400 00 31231 00 rest math factual
  • Hula gi... Butch 2009/06/17 22:08:05
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    Just copy and paste...they sentiment is still the same.
  • dico Butch 2009/06/17 20:10:59
    dico
    +1
    the only silly one here is you...are you illegal?
  • ☆Hitler was a community org... 2009/06/17 00:49:17
    ☆Hitler was a community organiz☆
    +2
    I love math
  • Greatbear100~support our vets 2009/06/17 00:20:06
    Greatbear100~support our vets
    +4
    Stop benefits for illlegal aliens, enforce immigration laws, and deport illegals.
  • Lanikai Greatbe... 2009/06/17 13:51:57
    Lanikai
    +3
    Why do we have to follow the torture laws but not the illegal immigration ones. I don't like paying taxes, can I skip it since it is a law I do not like?
  • Hula gi... Lanikai 2009/06/17 16:48:00
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    Taxes are voluntary remember....

    taxes voluntary remember
  • dico Hula gi... 2009/06/17 20:14:22 (edited)
    dico
    +1
    if you lose you SS number they can do nothing to you... I want to post on this.. but I am still reading through 1500 papers on the subject...

    it is all in that number Hula.. the SS number make you have to pay taxes by law.. without it you do not have to ..

    it is so simple it is hard to wrap our heads around it

    remeber when harry creep reid slipped and said.. 'it is illegal to pay taxes but if you do not you will go to jail'....well that got me thinking... and talking to some ppl .. and what i learned can save this country.. but it would have to be a mass movement underground
  • myssabz 2009/06/16 23:29:56
  • Hula gi... myssabz 2009/06/16 23:34:54
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +2
    Ah Lily.....I have met her. I had a lovely conversation with her and Bette filming Big Business.
  • myssabz Hula gi... 2009/06/17 01:17:12
    myssabz
    +2
    I really loved her early comedy. She was so good. And thats the truth!

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