Stand Your Ground Law is a killer law or what?

Here's a stroke of reality for you "bob".... The ONLY difference between standard self defense laws and the SYG laws....is that you as the person being assaulted/attacked n longer has a duty to retreat. That's it bubba....and yes, its that simple.

BTW...did you read the article where "Zimmies" wife got arrested? His bail got revoked as well.... Seems the truth is a foreign beast to him and her......

It's supposed to be simple, but I have yet to see a law that was so clearly written that it couldn't be misinterpreted.

It never pays to overestimate the human factor. :)

Can't argue with your logic!!

This is Florida's law. All SYG is, is the "...does not have a duty to retreat..."

" However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;"

How is that unclear?

It didn't change the situations you can use deadly force, it just says you don't have to run away first.

Of course it's been misinterpreted, but the basis of the law is so simple, it's hard to believe anyone can't understand it.

Don't ask me how it's unclear. Ask the dead people whose MURDERERS have been denied its protection. Oh, I forgot. You can't -- they're DEAD.

A law that allows one person to kill another and then have a process that says "Oops, that law didn't apply to YOUR situation" is a damn stupid law imo.

Wait what the hell are you even talking about?

Stand Your Ground is a very specific law. It only applies if:

You are attacked outside your home where you have the chance to run away, and believe the attack puts you, or another person at risk of death or serious injury.

If that isn't your situation it does not apply.

There are other sections of Florida's Use of Force laws that cover other situations.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/st...

For example:

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.
776.05 Law enforcement officers; use of force in making an arrest.

The Zimmerman case doesn't involve Stand Your Ground because his action contributed to the conflict, therefore his use of force is under 776.041

The Marissa Alexander case also has nothing to do with Stand Your Ground, because she left the house, got the gun from her car in the garage and returned to the house. Then she fired a "warning shot" into the wall next to her kids.

Stupid people shouldn't own guns!!!!!!!

I guess that is all of the Reichties........

Yeah that would make it easier for you libbies to carjack and rob us working class wont it?

agreed, As a hunter, most gun nuts can't even shoot straight.

Killer = Beneficial in a manly way.

The stand your ground law is a good law when applied properly and it is being applied properly here in florida.. When people get the idea it is not Ok to shoot an unarmed person just because they shove or slap you ... There are currently 4 Cases where defendents in shootings have been denied the use of the Stand your ground law... When someone stuffs a gun in their belt and goes looking for trouble, then it no longer becomes "Stand your Ground" Especially if they have to leave their property to approach the person the argument is with...Or you go retreive a gun and return to the argument...

And how are any people who got shot by these idiots doing? Any bullet holes in them?

all dead....

I don't suppose that's much comfort to the dead people's families.

Thats my point.. these 4 dead did nothing to deserve the idiots that pulled a gun out and shot them.. The courts are not going to let people use the Stand Your Ground Law, when people go around shooting people because the victim yelled at them or punched them...That is why the law reads "Meet Force with Equal force, including Deadly force where necessary."

MY point is that a law that allows dipsticks to kill people and then a legal interpreter says "Oops, you didn't understand the law" is a DUMB LAW.

The no retreat law is a good law when acted upon properly,,

It's that qualifier that's the "killer" -- literally.

There are ding dongs out their that will think it gives them Cart Blanc to shoot people...But they will do it regardless of the law anyway.. they just think they can use this law, which many are finding out they cant...we have 4 cases of it here in the last month,, Denied the stand your ground status...Guilty of Murder... Off to jail they go....

There are many situations where you used to have to put yourself in greater danger than simply defending your family and house from an armed invader. These were eliminated with enactment of "stand your ground" law. The law actually prevents lawsuits because neither the criminal who gets themselves shot, nor their family nor next of kin are allowed to sue for damages if the shooter is in a place where they have a right by law to be and they are defending themselves or their family.

Why should the next of kin of a wanna-be murderer who ends up getting shot invading someone's house have the right to sue the intended victim ? Before this law, lawsuits were the rule, not the exception.

Ugh! I remember a lawsuit by a robber. He forcibly entered through a window. The family's son left his toys by the window. The robber broke...something, I'm not quite sure, but he was living and breathing. He sued the family and won the court case!

They shouldn't have that right -- but it would have been easy enough to pass a law saying "You don't have that right" rather than SYG.

It's really funny how no one left on the planet earth can remember what I can. I do remember how the foreign-tourists would go to the USA and visit; and when they went to Florida, then the criminals would recognize the fact that the foreign-tourists were driving a rental car, like Hertz, or National; just to name two. The criminals would box-in the tourist and keep him from rolling. The criminals would use two vehicles to accomplish that task. Then they would rob the tourist. So, Jeb Bush said enough is enough. Then the criminals stopped doing that. They asked some of the captured criminals if they would do the same crime when they got out of jail. They all said "NO WAY!! You can get shot now. Everyone is safe from us because of the 2nd Amendment." It is so sad that no one can remember that. I realize that the Liberal Media said "Don't Give The Truth In Reporting! Don't Give The Truth!" . . . . That, I can understand. What I can't understand is why I am the only American Citizen who can remember how the 2nd Amendment made it safe for tourists to drive in Florida. I actually live in California. NOT Florida; but who cares where I live in the USA; I am the only one who can remember. The USA doesn't have a Trey What's His Name Problem in Florida. The USA has a Memory Problem. No wonder this country sucks!!!

I do remember the story you are talking about. As I remember some of the foreign tourist got killed.

Exactly! Exactly! Yes, you are correct!!

Thanks for your wisdom. We needed that.

You know, I just don't understand why sometimes the media does not want to report stuff like that; or at least, provide the public with a more thorough coverage . . . Unlike the "Trey-Von-Shooting-Case" of today . . . ? ? ?

Truth is not in the eye of the media. They would prefer that we forget all of history so they can rewrite it.

Aha! You definitely have touched on something there . . .

So you're suggesting that SYG in Florida was passed to protect foreign tourists? Then I guess letting Zimmerman go after he shot Trayvon Martin was absurdly wrong -- neither of them was a foreign tourist.

What's the reason for SYG in Kansas? Foreign tourists there too?

Florida isn't the only state with some form of SYG law.

It sure did STOP the Cuban/Mexican Whatevers from boxing-in those cars though. THAT's A FACT!! Some of the criminals actually came forward and admitted that they would never ever think of trying those tricks again. NEVER!!! The 2nd Amendment is A WELL-PROVEN deterrent to crime. Way to go, 2nd Amendment!!!!

I don't have anything against the 2nd Amendment (some of the others now, not so easy...). Switzerland has a low crime rate, and it's generally accepted that one of the reasons is that most homeowners have a gun, keep it handy, and know how to use it.

But there are some specifics -- like clarifying self-defense and CCW -- that SYG hasn't done very well. I just think there might have been other ways to accomplish the goal without increasing the homicide rate in SYG jurisdictions.

Do you know what happened when The Railroad started putting armed U S Marines on trains? . . . Jesse James stopped robbing trains. Arming citizens with the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States has proven time-and-time-again-and-again... to be a deterrent to crime. I didn't create it. I am not the innovator of . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . .

I said I don't have a problem with the 2nd Amendment, so I really don't know why you keep on about it.

Have a nice night.

Stand your ground laws simply means that you have the RIGHT to protect you and yours.

Don't count on the police to show up in time. It'll be over before they even get dispatched. Protect yourself. But do it right.

Common sense goes a long way.. Does one shoot an unarmed person if they shove them?? Not no! Hell No!

Stand your ground is a legitimate state law. It is only a bad law if you happen to be the one on the wrong side of the gun. If the special board appointed by the Governor finds through "Public" hearings that changes need to be made then put it to a vote of the people. My guess is here in Florida the people will vote to keep it. But.. if you don't like it there are 56 other states you can move to.
Excuse me I meant 49 states, Barack Obama's 57 states keeps throwing me off.

Ah a typical response from a religious conservative homophobic closet case

WOW! This is the first time I have been called a "religious conservative homophobic". Can I copy this and quote you on this, the next time some RWNJ calls me an "atheist liberal homo lover?
OBTW; Stand Your Ground is a legitimate law in the state of Florida until either the people of Florida vote it out or some liberal court rules it unconstitutional.