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Some Christians Praise Dr. Tiller's Death: Do certain Christians use religion to justify violence?

Creamy 2009/06/03 00:05:44
Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
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Christians have used the Bible as justification for violence and bigotry. Christians have oppressed women and blacks before their respective movements and now smut efforts to have gay marriage legalized.

Ever more, the death of "Tiller the Killer," the infamous abortion doctor from Kansas, has received praise from the Christian community, claiming that it is better that Dr. Tiller was killed, compared to how many "babies" would otherwise have died at his hands through abortions.

Despite the teachings of Jesus, do Christians use the Bible to justify their own bigotry and/or violence?
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  • Angel 2009/06/03 01:45:09
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    Angel
    +68
    No we use the common sense God gave us to know right from wrong, and it was VERY wrong for the Dr to destroy innocent lives on a daily bases,, you can't keep murdering and shedding innocent blood without justice coming back to you.... and if you will read history it is our wonderful Government who oppressed blacks and women and many other people ....
    Do you really think Jesus would approve of the Dr killing babies daily??? Jesus says
    “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” 16 And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them

    This doesn't sound like God or Jesus would be okay with killing children on a daily bases

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  • wtw Illjwamh 2009/06/03 04:14:41
    wtw
    +2
    Wrong! You certainly never knew any christian people. I know more than most because of my travels and no christian I know would agree with violence of this type--not one! You diatribe has no basis in fact. Zero!
  • Illjwamh wtw 2009/06/03 04:21:08
    Illjwamh
    +3
    I should clarify. I certainly didn't mean *all* Christians do this. In fact I would say that probably (hopefully) the majority of them do not. But yes, there are plenty who do, I assure you.
  • wtw Illjwamh 2009/06/03 04:59:31
    wtw
    +2
    Thanks for the clarification you have honor!
  • Illjwamh wtw 2009/06/03 05:16:31
    Illjwamh
    +1
    Thank you; I appreciate that.
  • Cindy Illjwamh 2009/06/03 15:11:21
    Cindy
    right on about "religion"
    an individual "spiritual walk" however is quite different...that's the journey we should strive for, not listening/following Big fundamental, far right Religious Corp Gods.....who suck in all those churchgoers...
  • Icarus326 2009/06/03 04:10:27
    I think...
    Icarus326
    I think every religion uses religion to justify violence in some way
  • The Big Taboo [AKA Phuck No... 2009/06/03 04:10:17
    Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
    The Big Taboo [AKA Phuck Norris]
    Yes. It doesn't make it right, it just brings reproach to Christianity, and to Christ and His message.
  • S 2009/06/03 04:09:11
    Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
    S
    At least some do - mostly the far right, which does not necessarily make them Christian. I don't know any Christians personally that use religion to justify violence.
  • xscd 2009/06/03 04:00:32
    Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
    xscd
    +2
    Yes, I have had quite a few conversations here at SodaHead with Christians who state that violence, even killing, is justified and sometimes even condoned by God under certain circumstances.
  • Cindy 2009/06/03 03:59:45
    Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
    Cindy
    +2
    Sadly - yes.
    Many are sheep (I used to be one) who cannot believe anyone, or a pastor would teach or preach a lie.
    But innocent following of interpretation and fear of people policies ("God is not where fear is") generates hate and violence, often seeming like "the way to go" ...

    Others are just greedy sons of guns who know exactly who they are taking advange of for personal rewards.

    Both these have played roles in the bloodiest wars and murder of the innocents throughout history.
  • Kenyon 2009/06/03 03:54:58
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    Kenyon
    +2
    I believe some people are religious and they no nothing of the Relationship that comes with being a Believer. They are the people who go to church, but that is just it. Pew warmers is what they are called.
  • Max7 Kenyon 2009/06/03 05:41:40
    Max7
    +1
    Even a pew warmer has a right to life, and does not deserve to be shot down. Many Christians haven't killed the part of self, that causes them to pass judgment on others; at least the bench warmer is in Church, for all you know he/she could be there striving for deliverance. Everybody that goes to Church are not happy campers, many are either going into a storm or about to come out of one. We as Christians really don't have the answers to why some people do as they do. Perhaps there is someone that question your motives as well as mine. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, when we see others going through, believe me, it is but by the Grace of God, there go (you) I.
  • Kenyon Max7 2009/06/03 13:51:23
    Kenyon
    +1
    I don't care if someone is questioning my motives. See my role in life is not please them, I am only here to do the work that my Lord and Savior called me to do. But like I said pew warmers and religious folk don't need to be telling everyone else what to do but to show everyone what to do by example. I never said religious folk have the answer. I see a difference between Christians and Religious people. Christians are Christ like or at least trying... Religious folks are those who are there for show. Now I am not judging them but I am recognizing that they do exist.
  • Max7 Kenyon 2009/06/04 04:42:09
    Max7
    +2
    I think for most people who to the best of their ability is trying as best they know how to do the work that the Savior has called us to do. However, even for the babe in Christ, you have to begin, you have to start somewhere. So that bench warmer would not have the same mind set that a seasoned Christian would have. This is why the Word tells us to exhort ye one another. I do agree that there is a difference between being a Christian and being religious, you can do anything religiously, you can sin religiously. If we became exhorter's, sometimes as being fisher's of men, we have to reach out more, and get out of our comfort zone. I wouldn't necessarily say that religious people are there for show, their in the Church because there is something wthin telling them that it is time for change in their lives. My point is that sometimes those of us who profess to know the righteous way, often is all show and no go, we have to befriend the bench warmer, you could be saving his/her life by sharing. My son just experienced loosing a co-worker by means of suicide; he lost his job, his girlfriend broke up with him and he had no hope.
    Faith built on hope will take you a long, long way - my point we really don't know why people do what they do. Just for the record, I was not questioning your motives, just stating a fact.
  • Cindy Max7 2009/06/17 18:41:52
    Cindy
    Since you bring up righteousness Max -

    "The road to destruction is wide and MOST people travel it, but the path to righteousness is narrow, and FEW it be that find it."

    If we just worked on our own life and path, relationship with God, rather than pointing to the sin of others (or what we might THINK ONLY in our HEADS is the sin of others) anf trying to CONVERT the world - perhaps the world would be a better place today.
  • Max7 Cindy 2009/06/17 20:49:31 (edited)
    Max7
    Not quite sure where you are going with your comment. The opinion asked for, relates to taking a life and using christianity as a reason for doing so. I stand by my opinion that God giveth and God taketh life, and when we murder someone, it has nothing to do with christianity. If we killed every time we were offended, the earth would be null and void. People have a "free" choice to convert, even God does not force himself on any of us. It's strange how individuals will try to make all kinds of things legal, without considering the harm that it might cause; but if a statement is made regarding christian belief, automatically there will be someone who thinks that you're trying to convert them. One has to want to be converted, I work on my spiritual life daily, which is why I don't have a problem voicing my opinion.
  • Cindy Kenyon 2009/06/16 18:12:01 (edited)
    Cindy
    +1
    Actually Kenyon-
    I believe it is the difference between organized religion and policies and true "spirituality."
    I believe we are physical/sexual, emotional, intellectual, SPIRITUAL beings, the human race.....and God asks us to walk a spiritual life with God, which the scriptures definition of "God" is "God is love" and "God is a spirit."
    Jesus was a human, with the Spirit of God born in him: "God robed him/herself in flesh and was born and dwealt among men" - So Jesus was fully man and fully God.
    Then, believers received the opportunity by faith to accept that spirit, the Holy Spirit (which IS the spirit of Christ) - and THAT act transforms us to understand love in new ways and boundaries as we walk, striving to live an ever growing "spiritual" life path ("The holy spirit WILL teach you all things" we read), present tense, as we humans generation after generation learn more about the heights and depths of love.
  • Mollybdamned American Atheist 2009/06/03 03:52:37
    Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +5
    The only difference between the Muslim Taliban and Christian Taliban is 8000 miles.
  • S Mollybd... 2009/06/03 04:10:21
    S
    Yes. And a close eye should be kept on Randall Terry and his followers. I think they are capable of anything.
  • wtw Mollybd... 2009/06/03 04:20:09
    wtw
    +1
    Get in real trouble and go to any atheist organizations and see how much they help you. You can go to hundreds of christian organizations across the world and they will lend a helping hand. I do agree that each religion even atheism has it's radicals.
  • Cindy wtw 2009/06/17 18:42:46 (edited)
    Cindy
    and they both have those with compassion who "love" and help others.
  • Max7 Mollybd... 2009/06/03 05:42:01
    Max7
    Wrong!
  • Kenyon Mollybd... 2009/06/03 13:52:37
    Kenyon
    +1
    Molly,
    You ain't saying nothing but a word (which is the truth.) Except I just like to call both groups religious folk.
  • average Joe blow 2009/06/03 03:43:56
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    average Joe blow
    nutcakes, use religion to justify violence,
    This is not a argument anyone should have.
    Everyone has a right to life.
  • CRX H22 2009/06/03 03:42:17
  • Wilted 2009/06/03 03:38:15
    I think...
    Wilted
    Smut efforts for gay marriage? I think I'd like to get into that.
  • kevjon 2009/06/03 03:34:30
    I think...
    kevjon
    +1
    Actually, according to history, and you can look it up, the Democrats have oppressed women and blacks. And most democrats don't believe in Christianity according to the comments on sh. So this posted question is full of crap.
  • Peggy 2009/06/03 03:34:23
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    Peggy
    +4
    Some christians do. They have not discovered what a bad name they give the rest of us. I suppose their are zealots and those who take things too far in any group. A lot of wars and killing and hate is spread in God's name. I hear HE is getting tired of it and wants people to take responsibolity for their own free will actions.
  • Marlow ~ Let There Be Light 2009/06/03 03:33:43
    No, Christians do not use religion to justify violence
    Marlow ~ Let There Be Light
    +2
    I haven't seen anyone cheering. I have said that the murderer should face justice. But this ranks lkike a drug dealer or a mafia Don or a hitman being killed. It happened. There are thousands of murders in the US every year and most are trgedies. This was no tragedy.

    Frankly if all the pro-abortion people had any sympathy for the one million plus babies aborted in the US and tossed into a bin every year, maybe I could understand your outrage. But you pro abortion people have iron hearts to begin with. You feel no compassion for the murdered babies. Why should I care what you think of me for not caring about the death of this one slime bag? May this slime bag's soul burn in hell for eternity.
  • steve "Democrats have commi... 2009/06/03 03:24:56
    No, Christians do not use religion to justify violence
    steve "Democrats have committed Treason on their country"
    +8
    THis is a slanted question that has no merit. How about do all muslims use religion to justify violence because there are a few bad apples? I think not.
  • IndyLinda 2009/06/03 03:23:50
    I think...
    IndyLinda
    +9
    Why not use a qualifier, such as "Some"?
  • Bitwise Operator 2009/06/03 03:23:14 (edited)
    No, Christians do not use religion to justify violence
    Bitwise Operator
    +9
    The person who shot Tiller comitted a serious crime and should be punished the same as anyon else who commits murder.

    But Tiller himself was a man whose very livelihood was based in one of the most violent legal acts imaginable. This man held wiggling babies down with his own hands while punching shears into the base of their skulls and sucking their brains out. He cut infants apart limb from limb. It's kinda difficult to have sympathy for someone like that.

    Meanwhile all fingers are pointing at the all pro-life people who were not involved and Tiller's former friends and business partners avoid scrutiny. Tiller had close ties to Kathleen Sebelius who has politcal stardom in her eyes and Tiller was not the brightest bulb in the box.

    I wonder if good of Kathy didn't arrange to have Dr. Tiller done away with. Better to leave a body trail than a trail of evidence that might surface later when it's inconvenient.
  • Doc Rock 2009/06/03 03:19:08
    Yes, Christians use religion to justify violence
    Doc Rock
    +3
    "Do certain Christians use religion to justify violence?"

    Does a bear shit in the woods?
  • kevjon Doc Rock 2009/06/03 03:36:38
    kevjon
    +2
    Does your head rattle when you shake it?
  • Doc Rock kevjon 2009/06/03 03:41:25
    Doc Rock
    +2
    No.

    Why do you ask?
  • kevjon Doc Rock 2009/06/03 04:04:58
    kevjon
    +1
    Just curious.
  • Decided... kevjon 2009/06/03 03:44:45 (edited)
    Decided to Leave SH
    +2
    An empty vacuum makes no noise regardless of how hard you shake it.
  • Doc Rock Decided... 2009/06/05 06:21:54
    Doc Rock
    +1
    I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
  • Decided... Doc Rock 2009/06/05 12:11:22
    Decided to Leave SH
    And true!
  • MIZ® ₱... Doc Rock 2009/06/04 21:09:17
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    That is the second most offensive, stupid avatar I've ever seen
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