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SodaHead members should realize that nothing that the other side says or points out will change anyone's mind.

ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/01 01:20:53
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Pointing out things about President Obama, if it comes from the right, is going to be ignored just like the progressives and what they say are ignored. So, things like, before you vote for Obama read this. NOTHING that I read will keep me from voting for President Obama. NOTHING the right says is going to mean anything to me regarding Willard or Paul. SodaHead isn't an exchange of ideas, no one is interested in ideas from the other side.

My opinion is made up, just like it is for every single person on this site. Kind of makes you ask what's the purpose. I guess it's a place to write down your own opinion and put it out there for your friends to say, "What a great post," or your nemesis can tell you how "wrong you are." I can tell you what I do, as soon as I leave a thread and said what I wanted to say, I don't even remember who I made the comment to. This applies to those who slam progressives or President Obama. I do remember what I say to my friends and they to me. Often times, once I've made a comment, I never go back to the thread when there has been a comment left for me in My Happenings, I just click on the red X and delete it.

There are some conservatives I do know and remember, but I can count them on one hand. I guess what I'm saying is nothing I say or anyone from the right says makes a bit of difference to me, I almost instantly forget about it.

Do you think that no minds can be changed on SodaHead? Do you know anyone who has ever listened to the other side and changed their mind because of it?
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  • Mopeder 2012/05/01 20:35:49
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    Mopeder
    +5
    My support for President Obama is unwavering. He has done the best job he possibly can considering the mess the country was in and the Congress that he has had to contend with. So yes I'm voting for him.

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  • Charles R. Anderson 2012/05/01 07:39:00
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    Charles R. Anderson
    +1
    Of course changing one's mind on a particular matter of fact is much easier than changing one's mind on the issue of respecting the existence and rights of individuals versus believing it right to use force extensively to micromanage the lives of others who must all be like yourself and perfectly interchangeable so central planners can manipulate them.
  • beach bum 2012/05/01 05:54:34
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    beach bum
    +1
    people have the choice to change their minds
  • Bob DiN 2012/05/01 04:59:21
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    Bob DiN
    +2
    People do change there mind on SH, but they are as rare as a winning lotto ticket. A lot of trolls on SH.
  • mamacrash 2012/05/01 04:51:54
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    mamacrash
    +4
    If your mind is that closed you cannot learn anything more in your life. That is very sad! At 64 I still learn things on an almost daily basis and hope it stays that way until I croak in 30 - 40 years. In looking at both sides of an issue or new facts brought to light you can not only learn something but also help someone else open their mind. I do hope that people will allow themselves to be open to new thoughts or perspectives.
  • Dana 2012/05/01 04:27:25
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    Dana
    +2
    As far as this election goes... I don't think there is anyone on SH show does not have their minds made up. And frankly it is pointless to even try. But, it is "soothing" maybe, to at least point out how they are so wrong in their thinking. Show them the facts or point out to them how they have been misled. But, do I think I would change their minds? Not a chance.

    The only thing this election will hopefully do, is bring out those who would not normally take the time to vote. IF they can accomplish that, then I think the man I want to win, will. Otherwise, he may not.
  • Starman 2012/05/01 04:27:24
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    Starman
    +3
    I have to agree, I've been thinking the same thing. I keep thinking that I need to provide logical, fact based rebuttal for any open minded SHers. But I'm beginning to think that they don't exist.
  • Odinsown 2012/05/01 04:23:52
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    Odinsown
    +2
    clicked the wrong one, i have changed my mind on global warming based soley on arguments presented here.
  • Bob DiN Odinsown 2012/05/01 05:00:37
    Bob DiN
    Which way?
  • Odinsown Bob DiN 2012/05/01 12:58:49
    Odinsown
    I went from being a staunch non believer to a skeptical believer.
  • Bob DiN Odinsown 2012/05/01 13:50:45
    Bob DiN
    I new it was a scam from the start, even before the bogus emails came out. Sadly there is big bucks in junk science. Political insiders like Al Gore make a fortune on this scam at taxpayers expense. That's why it was invented. I guess there is something to the old addage if you don't have a carreer invent one.
  • Michael 2012/05/01 04:04:01
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    Michael
    +1
    I used to believe some of the crap fed by the right wing. I was a Goldwater boy. I actually thought Clinton was responsible for concealing a murder. But I learned that I had been scammed and the legitimate conservatism of Goldwater is now considered too liberal to be allowed in the Repugnican party.

    The United States is dead. We are irrevocably divided and I expect to see an internal war within the decade. And it is ALL on the Repugs and the Corporatist Dems.
  • jcadla Michael 2012/05/01 04:18:21
    jcadla
    +1
    Clinton did conceal a murder and many other crimes,-some eventualy came to light,-mostly rapes.
    Michael, have you considered professional help?
  • Steve 2012/05/01 04:01:02
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    Steve
    +3
    It is uncommon in online debates that either side admits error. This does not mean that no minds have been changed, however. In some cases, one side only avoids publicly admitting error.

    In many, many other cases, the minds that are changed are the silent eyes in the audience. A well-articulated argument is rarely wasted.
  • Bob DiN Steve 2012/05/01 05:02:00
    Bob DiN
    With politics I think there are a lot of paid Obama trolls.
  • Joel 2012/05/01 03:57:54
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    Joel
    +3
    Not 100% true but close enough. Important to get out the vote for Obama/Biden in 2012. That is the key to giving the GOP the pink slip so millions of others can find work again!
  • luvguins 2012/05/01 03:44:00
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    luvguins
    +2
    It is probably better to term news and politics section a rave and massage party for either side as they only agree with each others opinions, and spend the rest of the time arguing with those who don't agree with them. The right is going to vote for Romney though many are not thrilled with him, and the left is going to vote for President Obama, though some are not 100% thrilled with him.
  • Zuggi 2012/05/01 03:43:27
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    Zuggi
    +1
    It's all a form of mental masturbation, really.
  • kitkat42 2012/05/01 03:15:59
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    kitkat42
    +1
    I tend to agree with this statement. This is why I don't bother to argue with anyone. Each person (at least on this site) seems to be cast in concrete.
  • EdVenture 2012/05/01 02:32:24
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    EdVenture
    +3
    Hi Trude, If you can cet beyond the emotional aspects that flow in and rank queens that think that matters, I'm assuming immature kids, you can expand upon your knowledge of events and sources of research to assist with making an informed choice regarding the political threads. I also have benifitted from discussing a particular perspective with others that may not coincide with mine or compel me to do more research. I have learned alot on the site. My hope for others is that their curiosity or a sincere interest in the issues may find some topics revelating to them and give them food for thought as well as possibly engage. I suspect that some information is share or discussed amoung friends in their own little community. Thanks for your time and effort, it appreciated by me.
  • abycinnamon BN-1 2012/05/01 02:31:33
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    abycinnamon BN-1
    +4
    Generally not. Rarely I meet someone who says something worth thinking about - but I have to say that's rare. Today I'm feeling a little testy as I've exceeded my maximum daily allowance of DBs.
  • ServantOfAllah 2012/05/01 02:16:06
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    ServantOfAllah
    +2
    I disagree. Open minded people can learn.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ Servant... 2012/05/01 02:19:30
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    That's rich coming from you.
  • ETpro 2012/05/01 02:43:16
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    ETpro
    +4
    You're certainly correct when it comes to ideologues, but fortunately most Americans are not ideologues. Most are open to evidence, and will reject policies after we try them over and over only to have them continually fail.
  • Tomus Megalomania 2012/05/01 02:13:04
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    Tomus Megalomania
    +5
    Many times. But it takes someone a lot smarter than the average sodahead.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ Tomus M... 2012/05/01 02:14:04
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    I don't believe you for one minute.
  • Tomus M... ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/01 02:21:48 (edited)
    Tomus Megalomania
    +3
    So I'm lying? Why would I do that? Some people can actually think and reason and reevaluate their beliefs accordingly.
  • rdmatheny Tomus M... 2012/05/01 03:05:47
    rdmatheny
    +1
    You're talking to one that can't.
  • Seiryuu ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/01 04:58:29
    Seiryuu
    ^ Perfect example here.
  • Servant... Tomus M... 2012/05/01 02:14:56
    ServantOfAllah
    +1
    Thanks, Tomus.
  • twocrows 2012/05/01 01:54:56
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    twocrows
    +3
    hey, Tunde - - how'd you get so smart? :)
    you're right, of course, people come on SH to have their own opinions verified [yes, all of us.]

    when people agree with us [and it's true across the board] we admire how insightful they are. when they disagree, we chalk them up as 'dumb as a sack of rocks' and dismiss them.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ twocrows 2012/05/01 02:00:51
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    Exactly! ;-)
  • Tomus M... twocrows 2012/05/01 02:23:02
    Tomus Megalomania
    +3
    While that behavior is true for the majority of Americans and sodaheads, it is certainly not true of everyone.
  • twocrows Tomus M... 2012/05/01 03:41:55
    twocrows
    +1
    well, I certainly can't vouch for everyone. but I know I do it and most of the posts I see here suggest that the vast majority of others do, too.
    just sayin.
  • Tomus M... twocrows 2012/05/02 17:13:37
    Tomus Megalomania
    Definitely.
  • MichaelJ 2012/05/01 01:43:40
    I do agree that no one changes their mind...
    MichaelJ
    +2
    I agree it's very unlikely that you are going to change any other regualar sodahead posters. Many of the claims made from both sides are so rediculous as to not deserve a response.

    Why would I most likely waste my time? To some extent, bordom but every once in awhile
    I find someone and exchange possible solutions to todays problems.
    Like I say it is rare.
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ MichaelJ 2012/05/01 01:46:35
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    +1
    I can't remember any exchanging of possible solutions, except in 2008, perhaps.
  • tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA 2012/05/01 01:37:05
    I don't agree. I have changed my mind if I'm convinced I'm wrong.
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +3
    But it sure is fun to debate, isn't it?
  • ὤTṻnde΄ӂ tommyg ... 2012/05/01 01:40:58
    ὤTṻnde΄ӂ
    +1
    I'm not sure that what happens on SH is debate. That requires facts and rebuttals.
  • tommyg ... ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/01 01:41:58
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +3
    Depends on the thread I guess.
  • Tomus M... ὤTṻnde΄ӂ 2012/05/01 02:24:08
    Tomus Megalomania
    +3
    I have had several interesting debates on here.

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