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SODAHEAD BRIEF: Have Voters Taken Control Of Their Parties?

Edward Barrera 2010/05/19 13:59:32
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No, voter anger will subside by the November elections.
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For party-backed candidates this election season, the warning is clear: Be prepared to pack your bags. In the wake of recent eviction notices given to career politicians in Utah and West Virginia, Tuesday's primaries once again highlight voter unrest and the ebbing power of party politics.

Sen. Arlen Specter lost in Pennsylvania even though the once-Republican now-Democrat was recruited and backed by the establishment and President Obama. Specter, seeking his sixth term, but first as Democrat, lost to two-term Rep. Joe Sestak. Having run as an outsider, Sestak said his "win for the people over the establishment, over the status quo, even over Washington, D.C."

Kentucky Republicans chose Tea Party favorite Rand Paul - the son of Texas Rep. Ron Paul, whose 2008 presidential candidacy sparked legions of followers - as their nominee for the Senate seat being vacated by retiring Republican Sen. Jim Bunning. Tea party activists lifted Paul to victory over Secretary of State Trey Grayson, who was the favored candidate of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

In Arkansas, voters forced Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln into a run-off. Tuesday's primaries came a little less than five months before the midterm elections. Wonder what will happen then?

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  • Jaxxi 2010/05/19 17:12:15 (edited)
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    Jaxxi
    +7
    First, let's take back our government--THEN we can worry about the parties. DIVIDED WE FALL--think about it...

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  • MarinerFH VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:09:59
    MarinerFH
    The "people" love anyone who gets them more free stuff from the government'

    This is from a British Political Philosopher in 1787:

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

    A major part of Obama's base support are people who will always "vote themselves largess from the public treasury".
  • VICTORIA MarinerFH 2010/05/22 02:17:24
    VICTORIA
    Where's MY free stuff then?
    What do you know that I don't know?

    Misquotation - Tytler Cycle

    The following unverified quotation has been attributed to Tytler, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election[8]:

    There is no reliable record of Alexander Tytler's having made the statement.[8] In fact, this passage actually comprises two quotations, which didn't begin to appear together until the 1970s.[9] The first portion (italicized above) first appeared on December 9, 1951, as part of what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson.[10] The original version was as follows:
    Two centuries ago, a somewhat obscure Scotsman named Tytler made this profound observation: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
    The list beginning "From bondage to spiritual faith" is commonly known as the "Tytler Cycle" or the "Fatal Sequen...












    Where's MY free stuff then?
    What do you know that I don't know?

    Misquotation - Tytler Cycle

    The following unverified quotation has been attributed to Tytler, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election[8]:

    There is no reliable record of Alexander Tytler's having made the statement.[8] In fact, this passage actually comprises two quotations, which didn't begin to appear together until the 1970s.[9] The first portion (italicized above) first appeared on December 9, 1951, as part of what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson.[10] The original version was as follows:
    Two centuries ago, a somewhat obscure Scotsman named Tytler made this profound observation: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
    The list beginning "From bondage to spiritual faith" is commonly known as the "Tytler Cycle" or the "Fatal Sequence". Its first known appearance is in a 1943 speech "Industrial Management in a Republic"[11] by H. W. Prentis, president of the Armstrong Cork Company and former president of the National Association of Manufacturers, and appears to be original to Prentis.

    Here's the cycle- where do you think we are now?

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.

    I say here- From complacency to apathy;
    (more)
  • MarinerFH VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:18:35
    MarinerFH
    Regardless, the content is true. Thomas Jefferson feared the same.
  • VICTORIA MarinerFH 2010/05/22 02:25:56
    VICTORIA
    Regardless that it's a fake quote?

    I believe in personal responsibility myself-
    I also am happy to be able to buy meat and food and drugs and know they are safe.
    There's a lot of things our government does that is helpful- and a lot that I am not for- like the wars we went into.

    But it seems no one had these complaints before- and no one even seems to be able to specify exactly what they're angry about.

    ANd most of this free floating anger seems like sour grapes to me.
    If I had to endure 8 years of a GOP majority- and the atmosphere of repression that it cultivated-
    I think the right can live with a few years of the other voices having their say.
  • MarinerFH VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:28:04 (edited)
    MarinerFH
    +1
    Read what I said. We get tired of delineating the specifics and reasons to people who either can't or won't see it at all.

    Gotta go. Have a good weekend.
  • VICTORIA MarinerFH 2010/05/22 02:33:09
    VICTORIA
    I did read it. It was interesting- but not very enlightening.
    Ok, you too.
  • MarinerFH VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:37:48 (edited)
    MarinerFH
    I leave you with this: Proverbs 21: 9

    LOL.
  • lauren ... Alfred 2010/05/20 12:56:43
    lauren dull
    +1
    I agree voters didn,t vote for obama they voted against Bush,to bad they did not look up his voting record first and listen to some of his speeches,I did and realized he was not a man I wanted in the WH.People voted with there emotions not there brains,many now having second thoughts.
  • MarinerFH Alfred 2010/05/22 01:47:07
    MarinerFH
    +1
    BHO was in the Illinois State Senate from January 8, 1997 through November 4, 2004. In the US Senate from January 3, 2005 through November 16, 2008.
    He spent most of his time in the US Senate running for President.
  • Kahrtoro VICTORIA 2010/05/19 20:36:47
    Kahrtoro
    +5
    politics corrupts the people who engage in it. "Seasoned and experienced" politicians are so successful primarily because they've given up their souls in return for campaign funds from deep pockets.

    I'd actually like to see more fresh faces in congress. Then maybe we'd actually get something done.
  • VICTORIA Kahrtoro 2010/05/19 20:53:45
    VICTORIA
    Well, then sending in politicians destined for future corruption is an unknown that I do not care to advocate.

    Simply reacting against- instead of proposing for a thing- it is a short sighted (and not very bright) way to construct a government.

    I'm wondering where all the ideas are here.
  • Nobody VICTORIA 2010/05/20 00:04:07
    Nobody
    +1
    Letting the politicians know that they might only have one chance to get it right is all the more reason to vote them all out. They have shown us that they think that their jobs are safe and they can do as they please...we are showing them how wrong they are.

    If they couldn't get it right in 30+ years...they don't need to be there any more. Just look at Arlen Specter...he was making claims that he needed one more term to create 250,000 jobs! What the heck was doing for the last 30 years???
  • VICTORIA Nobody 2010/05/20 03:26:40
    VICTORIA
    45 years. Arlen Specter has been in public service for 45 years.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/21 14:01:03
    lsm2244
    Ted Kennedy was a Senator as long as I have been alive and thats way too long cause Im way old :)
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/21 20:56:13
    VICTORIA
    Well....I don't mean to be picky but--- unless you are dead also Ted Kennedy hasn't actually been a Senator as long as you've been alive--technically speaking that is.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/21 21:56:38
    lsm2244
    +1
    well OK he was a Senator from the time I was born until he died
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/21 22:04:04
    VICTORIA
    +1
    I couldn't help myself- sorry- I looked to see how old "way old'is- but if you're dressing your dog up in scuba gear- you're alroght with me.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/21 22:08:13
    lsm2244
    +1
    it OK it was very early with only one cup of coffee when I wrote it. I didn't even realize it until Senator Kennedy died. My kids commented that he had been in there since "like right after the civil war" I looked at the dates and grounded them (just kidding, I didn't ground them) :)
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/21 22:16:51
    VICTORIA
    +1
    I need at least 2 cups to start functioning myself- so I'm all sympathy on that one.
    It's sort of sad that Specter lost- he did have a long career, beat cancer- and brought home the bacon for his constituents-

    At least you're making your kids learn history- :)
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/21 22:19:46
    lsm2244
    +1
    I was never a big Spector fan (sorry) I don't like the flip flop but in his defense the parties are definately not what they were even 20 years ago. I try to look up each canidates voting record instead of listening to ad's becuase they are all generally liars. Yes I am one of those mean moms that made my kids read books
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/21 22:41:17
    VICTORIA
    +1
    You know, that reminds me- I'm in NJ- and our primaries are coming up- and instead of looking up the voting records- I'm playing here.
    SO, apparently you've been a good influence on more than your kids!
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/21 22:48:09
    lsm2244
    +1
    I am in Texas and I have a gov. race coming up and I may have to vote none of the above. Rick "The Hair" Perry will not get my vote (I will write in the name of my pet goat before I vote for him) or Bill White (former mayor of Houston) and I have heard some not so good things about him so Im not sure what to do about that one. I would lots rather be on Sodahead then look at the crap politicans vote on. Its no wonder we are broke
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 01:29:51
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Well, I moved to NJ 5 months back, and have discovered it is the most corrupt state in America- so- I can't really say my choices are any better!
    You're right, maybe I should write your pet goat in on my ballot and spend more time on sodahead enjoying my self.

    What's his or her name? People, apparently- will vote for anyone. Why not a nice little goat?


    write pet goat ballot spend sodahead enjoying people vote goat
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 01:41:05
    lsm2244
    +1
    Well you have your choice of: Lilly Sue, Starr, Mija or Cinco (Cinco is just a baby so he may not be a good choice, but he is neutered so that would help with all the mistress issues) :)
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 02:00:15
    VICTORIA
    I love the name Lilly- and I have a kitten named Magie (french pronunciation sounds like muh-jhi)
    so Mija sounds good too-

    I say, go with the girls-
    We can groom CInco for a future run.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:04:38
    lsm2244
    +1
    I have cats, dogs, a mini donkey and a mini horse too. I work so my animals can eat :)
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 02:06:53
    VICTORIA
    +1
    I have likewise discovered that my sole purpose for being is to serve and feed my animals. (Or so they tell me)
    I'm just happy they let me off to play on the internet for awhile-
    uh oh- I spoke too soon.....
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:07:33
    lsm2244
    +1
    attack of the killer kitty?
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 02:09:49
    VICTORIA
    +1
    They have a crazed look in their eyes.
    I am not lucky enough to have miniature donkeys and horses and cute goats- I just have tiny tyrants in feline form.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:14:34
    lsm2244
    +1
    and they are little tyrants (if they are anything like mine) if it is even close to bedtime Im lucky to get part of a pillow on the corner of the bed. I try to remind them of who pays the bills but I am sadly outnumbered
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 02:19:02
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Well, as I'm bowing down and scraping their poo from the litterbox, and putting their food in nice clean dishes, paying the rent and bills- I try to remind myself who is the boss too-
    but usually- I cannot even convince myself!
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:22:17
    lsm2244
    +1
    Its nice to be our pets servants. However, I would rather clean up after my pets than my ex.
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 02:26:36
    VICTORIA
    +1
    Aw, I'm still cleaning up after my future ex.

    And I agree.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:28:30
    lsm2244
    +1
    At least the animals love you no matter what you look like in the morning or what you cook for dinner
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 02:34:03
    VICTORIA
    +1
    It's that unconditional love that keeps me their slave. That includes the future ex. Well, sometimes it includes him.
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 02:36:17
    lsm2244
    +1
    I love my pets, the ex not so much. He was not much of a pet person or a kid person (and they were his kids) so Im not really suprised it didn't work.
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/22 03:44:56
    VICTORIA
    His loss and your pets and sodahead's gain says I.

    (I hope this doesn't offend your sensibilities )
    loss pets sodaheads gain hope offend sensibilities
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/22 10:27:33
    lsm2244
    +1
    Haha That is exactly what he thought.He was really good at directing not so good at helping
  • VICTORIA lsm2244 2010/05/25 19:11:13
    VICTORIA
    I see little difference between these-

    difference

    and these

    difference

    It's AMAZING how many photos there are of men laying on couches!

    And all the ones of women are paintings!
  • lsm2244 VICTORIA 2010/05/25 19:13:10
    lsm2244
    +1
    haha apparently the lioness that lives with the couch lion is a pretty good hunter :) He looks like he doesn't miss too many meals

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