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“Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”


Vladimir Lenin:
“Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”



“Would socialized medicine lead to socialization of other phases of life? Lenin thought so. He declared socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.”



1945 AMA Pamphlet Warning


The Communist Workers Party published an article recently in defense of state-run medicine like the proposal that democrats are wanting to ram through in the next 10 days.

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From the Socialists Workers Party



When the administration of John F. Kennedy discussed a plan for government health care that would cover people of Social Security age, the American Medical Association (AMA) fought back, along with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, with a well-funded campaign–complete with a commercial featuring actor Ronald Reagan, who was determined to talk to America about an “imminent threat”:



Now, back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism, the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program…


One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project…Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.


…Of course, the danger of creeping socialism is a much less compelling argument today among ordinary people than it was during the Cold War. If anything, socialism is becoming a preferred alternative to the mess that capitalism has made of working-class living standards…


…According to the Physicians for a National Health Program’s (PNHP) Karen Palmer, the AMA assessed its members an extra $25 each to resist national health insurance, and in 1945, it spent $1.5 million on lobbying efforts, which at the time was the most expensive lobbying effort in American history. An AMA pamphlet warned, “Would socialized medicine lead to socialization of other phases of life? Lenin thought so. He declared socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.”


We are only days away from the final vote on ObamaCare. If the House votes yes on the Senate bill that is now before it, THE GAME IS OVER. Since the Senate already passed it, once the House passes it on March 18, Obama’s signature on it (which will be immediate) MAKES IT LAW.


We are about to become a Socialist country. For if this passes, it will be virtually unrepealable. Health entitlement programs, once enacted, have proven to be permanent.


Think about it. Ten days from now: Permanent taxpayer funding of abortion. Permanent death panels (yes, those are in the bill), with no appeal of their decisions. Permanent forcing of pro-life doctors to refer for abortions, under penalty of loss of their license to practice. Within five years, no more freedom to buy private policies of your choice (only policies approved by the federal government). Small insurance companies, such as the one that took such incredibly good care of my husband during his illness, will very quickly be permanently out of business.


The Democrats KNOW that nationalizing health care is the single most effective step in making the USA a socialist country. Lenin said it first:


WE MUST DO WHATEVER IT TAKES IN THE NEXT TEN DAYS TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING!

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  • Conservative in California 2010/03/20 03:07:17
    Conservative in California
    +11
    Once the government controls healthcare, it controls every aspect of your life, and can get you to do anything it wants. If you disagree, they kill you off by denying care.

    Not sure where the blind faith that government can solve problems comes from? Government is the problem. We need to return to the US Constitution and have limited government of enumerated rights as the Founding Fathers intended.

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  • mickrussom 2011/01/24 06:46:09
    mickrussom
    +2
    Yep, the state replaces god and controls life and death. This is the plan of the enemy within, the statist authoritarians that are the enemies of freedom, liberty god an country. These are the progressives. They are a nightmare, killers and the worst scum on earth.
  • ETpro 2011/01/24 06:44:20 (edited)
    ETpro
    +1
    Time for a few facts. The Healthcare Reform of HR 3200 did NOT socialize medicine. Doctors, nurses and healthcare workers of all types that worked for private enterprise before it passed still do today. Hospitals, doctors offices and clinics that were not owned by the government before HR 3200 was signed into law are still private enterprises today. The same goes for the health insurers. There was NO move toward socialized medicine in HR 3200. The Republican screeches about a massive government takeover was nothing but a Big Lie.

    Secondly, even if socialized medicine were adopted by the US, which it was not, that still would have nothing to do with any other sector of our economy. England does have socialized medicine. Hospitals in the UK are owned by the government, and healthcare workers are government employees. But the UK still has private enterprise and capitalism in the rest of its economy. There is no move there to nationalize private enterprise.

    The US is so far from being a socialist nation that cries that this fate is imminent only make the crier look like an idiot or a deliberate political subscriber to the Big Lie idea of consolidating political power by duping a gullible public.
  • mickrussom ETpro 2011/01/24 06:47:04
    mickrussom
    +3
    Traitor. We will end your tyranny you union SEIU scum liar propagandist lippmann/geobbels piece of trash. enemy within, you are, and enemy of freedom, liberty god and country. we will STOP YOU WE WILL NOT BE YOUR SUBJECTS!
  • ETpro mickrussom 2011/01/24 06:50:25
    ETpro
    +1
    Thanks you for your contribution to my collection of right-wing hate speech. Can't handle the truth, hey?
  • JP ETpro 2011/01/25 14:47:31
    JP
    +1
    What percentage of GM does the government have to own to be considered nationalized? I wonder if building engines for the Volt in Mexico would fall under Social Justice or investing in a sustainable energy future?

    I wonder if the new government employees under HR 3200 will be unionized, and how much of their taxpayer funded salary will be given directly to Democrat reelection slush funds?

    Maybe elected mafia is a better term than socialized after all.
  • ETpro JP 2011/01/26 07:46:47 (edited)
    ETpro
    The government is sheding their investment in GM and Chrysler and is making a profit for taxpayers in the process. If we had just let them go bankrupt as the Teahadist wanted, we would have at least 3 million more people unemployed right now, losing their homes and going on the dole. And we would be down to just one US company making cars.

    There are no new Government employees under HR 3200. Healthcare workers are all still private industry except for those in the Vetereans Administration, and they have been government employees ever since the VA was established. RupugniCons just can't tell the truth about that, can they?

    And you may not have noticed it, but GM is hardly the entire US economy. Look at where your heroes had Wall Street in 2008, and where it is now. That isn't because the government owns all the businesses in America. That's crazy talk.
    wall street 2008 government owns businesses america crazy talk US stock market 2007 2011
    wall street 2008 government owns businesses america crazy talk US stock market 2007 2011
  • JP ETpro 2011/01/26 18:52:50
    JP
    +2
    Every aspect of our country is regulated, so pretending that the government isn't heavy handed in every aspect is pure loon talk. And also pretending that bankruptcy law doesn't allow for restructuring is also a fallacy promoted by the left to hide the fact this was a UAW bailout, plain and simple.

    Speaking of homes and heroes, what has the housing market done lately? Even with the silver tongue Obama has failed again on campaign dribble meant to sway the slight of mind. And since rampant government spending exploded under Bush, he is more your hero than mine.

    I didn't realize that 16,000 IRS agents were going to work in the private sector, nor did I realize the pyramid scheme style bureaucracies and panels set forth in the Socialized Medicine bill were going to be private sector either.

    Teahadist? Neat choice of words from the fools who don't know what real terrorism is and if they do aren't man enough to call a spade a spade out of fear of not being PC enough to be accepted by the unicorn and windmills crowd!
  • ETpro JP 2011/01/27 06:22:21
    ETpro
    Where did I suggest our society is without regulation? I look back at the 1890s and a far less regulated society, and I don't like what I see. I look at corporate abuses, at big pharma pushing drugs they know are dangerous and trying to stifle any oversight. I look at big agri-business deliberately destroying the entire family farm concept and replacing it with massive factory farms where, when food poisoning strikes, it sickens and kills people across half of the USA. I look at big oil bribing federal regulators, xeroxing the same environmental impact over and over, claiming they had deep water drilling perfectly under control, and eventually having the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Somehow none of this convinces me that corporate CEOs love me and will take perfect care of me if only I get the big, evil guvment off their backs.

    Your Republican deregulation ran the economy into the Grand Canyon and the mortgage and banking industry was the deregulated tool used to trigger the collapse. Now the industry is slowly recovering, housing starts are up, prices have stabilized, foreclosures are down. And even though you wrecked the car, you are caterwauling about the time it takes to fix it, and you want the keys back so you can drive it right off another cliff.

    You actually believed Mi...



    Where did I suggest our society is without regulation? I look back at the 1890s and a far less regulated society, and I don't like what I see. I look at corporate abuses, at big pharma pushing drugs they know are dangerous and trying to stifle any oversight. I look at big agri-business deliberately destroying the entire family farm concept and replacing it with massive factory farms where, when food poisoning strikes, it sickens and kills people across half of the USA. I look at big oil bribing federal regulators, xeroxing the same environmental impact over and over, claiming they had deep water drilling perfectly under control, and eventually having the Deepwater Horizon disaster. Somehow none of this convinces me that corporate CEOs love me and will take perfect care of me if only I get the big, evil guvment off their backs.

    Your Republican deregulation ran the economy into the Grand Canyon and the mortgage and banking industry was the deregulated tool used to trigger the collapse. Now the industry is slowly recovering, housing starts are up, prices have stabilized, foreclosures are down. And even though you wrecked the car, you are caterwauling about the time it takes to fix it, and you want the keys back so you can drive it right off another cliff.

    You actually believed Michelle Bachmann about 16,000 IRS agents? That's already been widely debunked, but for crying out loud, man. She believes the Founding Fathers cured slavery and there was never a Civil War. And you cite HER as an authority? I am sure facts have no impact on you unless they support your ideology, but just in case I am wrong and you do actually consider evidence, here is the analysis: http://www.politifact.com/tru...

    Regarding Teahadists, I know what real threats are. I hate the ideology of fundamentalist Islam, but that is not a serious threat to freedom in America. Corporatocracy is, and it is the corporatocracy that is putting up the money to AstroTurf the Tea Party movement, pay for think tanks and PR firms to craft the talking points that shape your behavior to their will, and deliver those talking points and psychological messages through the media they now own. Bachmann is bought and paid for by them. She will say whatever they tell her to say, and you will believe it because you have been programmed to do so. It's called confirmation bias. Loos it up on Google.

    Have a nice day listening to right-wing talk shows.
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  • USER DE... ETpro 2011/01/27 13:10:28
    USER DEACTIVATED
    +1
    So the estimated 111 new bureaucracies created in Obamacare are not going to be staffed?
  • ETpro USER DE... 2011/01/30 06:24:39
    ETpro
    Typical right-wing spin. There are 111 new offices and initiatives within existing organizations. There are no new bureaucratizes created. The bill actually cuts the deficit by $130 billion over 10 years.
  • USER DE... ETpro 2011/01/30 08:21:35
    USER DEACTIVATED
    Oh my God, I've encountered a complete and total moron who believes everything the Sociocrats tell him.Tell me fool, how can you pay for the health care of fifty million uninsured legal Americans and an estimated up to 25 million illegals and come out ahead financially? Who is going to pay the doctors salaries? The nurses salaries?, The ambulance drivers? The EMT's? The Radiologisxts salaries? How about the millions of other support personal required to run hospitals??? Dear God in heaven, please let me live in this idiots fantasy world where everything is free and I never have to work another day,
  • ETpro USER DE... 2011/02/04 07:28:38
    ETpro
    Go bark up a tree. There is no point even trying to discuss anything with someone who is so fond of verbal attacks and name calling, and extracts his statistics from his colon.
  • USER DE... ETpro 2011/02/04 11:21:43
    USER DEACTIVATED
    Guess you haven't seen those "revised" estimates from the CBO. Are you still relying on the initial ones that were compiled without all the data? How's that fantasy land working out for you?
  • ETpro USER DE... 2011/02/06 06:51:53
    ETpro
    Show me where the CBO is claiming that HR 3200 insures Illegals and that there are 25 million getting insurance. THat didn't come out of the CBO. It came out of your ass.
  • USER DE... ETpro 2011/02/06 15:38:04
    USER DEACTIVATED
    The CBO deals with the financial ramifications of the bill (which you choose to ignore). The Congressional Research Office deals with the truth of the legislation. They have declared that there is nothing in the bill that prevents illegals from getting healthcare through the exchange. Nothing in the bill requires either proof of citizenship or proof that one is here legally. While the bill does not directly say that illegals are covered (that would be political suicide for the Dems) the bill certainly does not prevent covering illegals.
  • ETpro USER DE... 2011/02/07 05:12:39
    ETpro
    That's because it is up to each state to set up an exchange or excanges. The states are certainly free to require proof of citizenship.
  • USER DE... ETpro 2011/02/08 03:15:49
    USER DEACTIVATED
    Much like Arizona is free to require proof of citizenship?
  • ETpro USER DE... 2011/02/08 06:21:55
    ETpro
    Nice try. But Arizona was trying to create their own immigration law when the Constitution specifically assigns that task to the Federal Government. In this case, Congress operating under the Commerce Clause and other Constitutional authority asks the states to set up exchanges. Big difference.

    There is simply nothing in HR 3200 that provides healthcare to illegal aliens. In fact, it only covers about 30 million of the 50 million uninsured legal citizens.
  • USER DE... ETpro 2011/02/08 11:24:33 (edited)
    USER DEACTIVATED
    You choose your words well. But not well enough.
    Arizona's laws mimics the Federal Law and does not subvert it. It simply allows the State to enforce what the Feds refuse to. Similar bills have been on the books of other states for years. It does not even allow Arizona to deport anyone. They simply turn them over to the Feds. Who most of the time just let them go free anyway.

    Is Congress "asking" the states to do something or demanding that they do it? Is Congress "asking" me to have purchase insurance or demanding that I do it under threat of retaliation?

    The healthcare bill is going down.
  • ETpro USER DE... 2011/02/09 07:00:00
    ETpro
    We had better wait for the courts to decide what Arizona can and can't do in immigration law, but I do hope you take my point on the difference/ The only think similar that I am aware of is a FAR more limited attempt on the part of California to crack down on companies than knowingly hire illegals. The court upheld that because they said the State had an overriding interest in that outcome. Could happen in Arizona's case as well. Time will tell.

    The healthcare bill may go down, but so is the unsustainable system that was in place before it came along. Lifetime caps, annual caps, dropping people who have paid for years when they suddenly get seriously ill, excluding all preexisting conditions... That's going down because it is unsustainable. If Republicans keep trying to defend it, it will bury them.

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